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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2022 08:36:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 27 04:36:47 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o5kEg-0004Il-U9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 04:36:47 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1o5kEf-0004IO-3b for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 04:36:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=67OByoWdTFpuPo6byzA9L51USNHT9H1NUdFvhonArkQ=; b=O9jK6FyL9HYS88eP9js23KoPd7 Vm9dqb9EUFIqYYr6YsArQRjyUuGr0eW7I6AZPVR/AUlY6phHSL7eGdWnU2DqMJbCbzDhd1fI6Ogtd YCobIwgZlpVEs/+ONhX/QwwNkAotkpYnU1MHa3wMf7aPfgoMZo2uebj8DoG+9N6R3HsI=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1o5kES-0003fQ-GM; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:36:34 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> <83v992clv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmZYgPyYd304RSckEgay=MtgV_PWrNRbg6qNx7950hezA@HIDDEN> <83mtuecggb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:36:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83mtuecggb.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 04 Apr 2021 16:44:20 +0300") Message-ID: <87a69y7bao.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > This (a) turns the table on what we currently do, since currently > load-theme can optionally enable the theme, while you propose to do it > the other way around; (b) rocks the very delicate boat of [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > This (a) turns the table on what we currently do, since currently > load-theme can optionally enable the theme, while you propose to do it > the other way around; (b) rocks the very delicate boat of how themes > are enable, disabled, and prioritized and how they interact with face > setup, so if we go that way, we should expect quite a rocky ride > (suggested reading: custom.el). Is it really worth that? I think the current separation is vaguely useful -- i.e., enable-theme limits to the currently loaded themes, while load-theme can load and enable any themes. So I agree with Eli that we shouldn't change this, and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 13:44:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 04 09:44:35 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lT33K-0002QP-SP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:44:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT33I-0002QC-Rz for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:44:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41031) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT33D-0008P3-K2; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:44:27 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2899 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT33C-00025Z-Uy; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:44:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 16:44:20 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtuecggb.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmZYgPyYd304RSckEgay=MtgV_PWrNRbg6qNx7950hezA@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 4 Apr 2021 08:17:04 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> <83v992clv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmZYgPyYd304RSckEgay=MtgV_PWrNRbg6qNx7950hezA@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 08:17:04 -0500 > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN > > To put this more concretely, I'd like to see two functions (and let's > disregard what we have now for the sake of argument): > > enable-theme > disable-theme > > Whatever happens technically (loading, autoloading, unloading, etc.) is > not interesting to the user. What is interesting is that after you run > one of the above commands the specified theme is either enabled or > disabled. This (a) turns the table on what we currently do, since currently load-theme can optionally enable the theme, while you propose to do it the other way around; (b) rocks the very delicate boat of how themes are enable, disabled, and prioritized and how they interact with face setup, so if we go that way, we should expect quite a rocky ride (suggested reading: custom.el). Is it really worth that?
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 13:17:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 04 09:17:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lT2cq-0001mv-EN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:17:12 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:43656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1lT2co-0001mh-Lx for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:17:11 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f173.google.com with SMTP id v8so4483210plz.10 for <47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VTkQtLDZM6Pc+rToBY5AuH1+11acnTF15rE5Ll+k9mw=; b=RSpOXwXUxnpc9W9yDF95FqGVLBusOn4FJ+Y13xCytpv1DfNhuKNZbSo65EWsVbF7ht gOdy8ZoTGW+ZzkqGeJdFv3MD+WpvuvMvhcmUznsMBUeOIYO2OaRTS98h87JuvvS6sHpM R132eVgWY1It7TCcqxKUllJ/vA3M31sIHDubHw6vH7PPPySwL6rkOqXXBebSL6sfyrBy 9+/iSh5NHi8N9OfHhq3gVaI5XGpblgbrH+g6ygD4tHA/pxHrwf3gNq38WiFuI/ufPFrr baCxum9TSWUVJdEZ3OHgsR015ePu1DSFBuVvQqHORP4EeU8buvBRe9IFcqBoO84ClMMt Lcow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530leyRNzycTZVHfuf4/4V5B0mQVjlhAkPzXq8wsEj/xaiHATJdE 7xOuOE66+2reHfREdhQydxAN4z9emOrPmyBU4dQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw5a8UQkMfuxiDxFf5j43zSfunwjIu9dam2INPd3GyAIfeQbCkWbG8xR6N1qutfXJeap3V2AJloKYPoysQmv6M= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:2303:b029:e6:faf5:875e with SMTP id d3-20020a1709032303b02900e6faf5875emr20336325plh.41.1617542224959; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 08:17:04 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83v992clv2.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> <83v992clv2.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 08:17:04 -0500 Message-ID: <CADwFkmmZYgPyYd304RSckEgay=MtgV_PWrNRbg6qNx7950hezA@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > So loading the theme will enable it, but disabling will not unload it? > Then how to I re-enable a theme that was disabled? by loading it the > second time? I suggest we take a step back from these details: I'm saying that the user should not need to worry about whether or not the theme is loaded. To put this more concretely, I'd like to see two functions (and let's disregard what we have now for the sake of argument): enable-theme disable-theme Whatever happens technically (loading, autoloading, unloading, etc.) is not interesting to the user. What is interesting is that after you run one of the above commands the specified theme is either enabled or disabled.
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 11:47:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 04 07:47:46 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lT1EH-00087n-Pa for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:47:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT1EE-00087Z-RP for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:47:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT1E9-00082o-E5; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:47:37 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3503 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lT1E8-00012m-PT; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:47:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 14:47:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83v992clv2.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:05:43 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:05:43 -0500 > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN > > > With themes, you can load several ones and then enable/disable any of > > them whenever you see fit. > > I don't see why a user would want/need to load a theme if she does not > intend to use it. The user does intend to use these themes, just not right away and not all of them. It's a valid use case to want to switch to another theme, e.g. because someone wants one theme in the morning and another in the evening. > What am I missing? I don't think you are missing anything, you just disregard everything I say in response and keep repeating the same claims and questions. That's not a useful discussion method. I'm tempted to stop responding because it just wastes my time. Sorry for being blunt. > > Under your proposal, disabling a theme would be impossible without > > unloading it, and that might not be easy to do cleanly. > > I'm not sure I follow; I see no need to make it symmetrical in that > sense. So loading the theme will enable it, but disabling will not unload it? Then how to I re-enable a theme that was disabled? by loading it the second time? > In the same way, we don't bother unloading a library just because > the major-mode involved is not used in any buffer. But we do > provide a way to autoload major modes. Themes are not like modes, they are in effect in the entire Emacs session, in all of the buffers. You cannot evade a theme by going to another buffer like you do with modes.
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 09:05:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 04 05:05:51 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lSyhb-0008Dd-FU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 05:05:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]:37844) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1lSyhZ-0008DO-43 for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 05:05:51 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f175.google.com with SMTP id h20so4355641plr.4 for <47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 02:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lg0N+A19TxrL34m5xZcj+6ZJ22+/fbeo/ZH9LZF7ZHg=; b=KFuX75vg9FaHaukHyzRDB/323jZimIsd4oFJiyyEHeCumhvZgduZRYyIAwuLGe1y7Y wugcyFVTTrhm3klICCgMnSUBRxQQxf7WMU+ihpZcHkzUi6yOO6NlgxipA3yENWaXcWb0 cXzgeXW5QfW4PNVMHX4hXc8397z9RU1MnJnqKj1FQe722hy0egxYgYhNy77ZDN7y6IAF nPr5kW972L47xMuUhZzBjHDWZwdbJzpH1QfuMRaVmpXJ1fwInydMrj/gf8GLFe9X1/mD mpPq0qDx8y3CdVtO8bYPWPAz1SLxX++kM5XTyTJUcpZRxAJXun3pn1qYtnaIoZ05ykbR Uhug== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530FsVbB+QpLYcpclKlcSChTUGmCzt1OpzeQrHhA2il5U96KVnwB l4GLknI7MCdV+DZTHmG0SHRW2pozoXY+2LNt7OY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZopQoUhx8UFPriZTHLeVmHys7yx8E0oTLC0mK+xnK8goB83XzMPLp6SbB5nbgXIszQ6X0diLVDrSTSDSSWFo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7788:b029:e9:11:5334 with SMTP id o8-20020a1709027788b02900e900115334mr1395061pll.70.1617527143447; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 02:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:05:43 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <CADwFkm=gkhHppCgmNCVFfS61uQXRKVYnuUa16BR_PFQhtBaqvQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm not exactly sure why we bother differentiating between loading a >> theme and enabling it. Technically, I understand that there is a >> difference. But why should a user have to fiddle around with it? > > For the same reason that loading a Lisp package shouldn't change the > Emacs state, until the user explicitly activates the features in the > package. It's unclean to have loading activate stuff, and we've > invested an effort during the last years to remove that uncleanliness. I still don't see why a user should need to worry about this distinction or the complexities involved. It seems like a suboptimal interface. We are here talking about user-facing features. I think it should be enough to have one knob to disable themes and one knob to enable them. > With themes, you can load several ones and then enable/disable any of > them whenever you see fit. I don't see why a user would want/need to load a theme if she does not intend to use it. If the user wants to load it for later use, why not just defer loading it until that time? And if a user *really* wants to load a theme for some reason, there is always e.g. `load-file' or `load-library'. What am I missing? > Under your proposal, disabling a theme would be impossible without > unloading it, and that might not be easy to do cleanly. I'm not sure I follow; I see no need to make it symmetrical in that sense. In the same way, we don't bother unloading a library just because the major-mode involved is not used in any buffer. But we do provide a way to autoload major modes. BTW, why would an end-user ever need to unload a theme? Is it not enough to simply disable it?
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 07:28:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 04 03:28:50 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lSxBh-0005nB-S4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 03:28:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lSxBf-0005my-Uj for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 03:28:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lSxBa-0004SU-CW; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 03:28:42 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2917 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lSxBV-0006OO-Kj; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 03:28:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:28:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83czvaecf5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:14:29 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:14:29 -0500 > Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel MartÃn <mardani29@HIDDEN> > > I'm not exactly sure why we bother differentiating between loading a > theme and enabling it. Technically, I understand that there is a > difference. But why should a user have to fiddle around with it? For the same reason that loading a Lisp package shouldn't change the Emacs state, until the user explicitly activates the features in the package. It's unclean to have loading activate stuff, and we've invested an effort during the last years to remove that uncleanliness. With themes, you can load several ones and then enable/disable any of them whenever you see fit. Under your proposal, disabling a theme would be impossible without unloading it, and that might not be easy to do cleanly.
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2021 00:14:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 03 20:14:38 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lSqPW-0007aB-5u for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 20:14:38 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]:35688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1lSqPT-0007Zt-NU for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 20:14:36 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id il9-20020a17090b1649b0290114bcb0d6c2so6224559pjb.0 for <47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iPoytxdDf1M9B1Z5FRlVknyz3okuI/ScmqnXAJMPplQ=; b=lf4NnRC1M+QQwjDu5i1kf7WI7s3/+NtSzO7kuVRJJmt5U28Lc1mIvOJE2BSuHZqdif neemzEk1JMHWJP/PYMaBhPJbWIFvY8rMvS06hnRispfbSxI5RfmxSOSFXONwFCO7qJso K4buadMdl0LLy16G01ovT9q8IPB7CNZg/DL/12A9pginHYpddc4XQTROC9cxibRWUS1O p1DfH5+21+IarHqDeMbCqsktwCf991SH/Hd68TnIiGgiYGOeosr7kRlyk9k5xvCxzHal SajjJTVNO45dud6ECOhybkETlKX43NgTNvUzGQ1UiklcKmZjiaZu0onxrw2PoIk3YWbF P6YQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532TDsQiuW0O+O7XIl45b+uMbqbBr7o7WnJ3r4ugZfAODLuRGRcC wy6Cu1q3E7r6W6ryB9E1TkxfZumiP288r40D3LSrRPxh X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxpiq9fklH0vxU5u2S8TNjwJG+ZL8b34/Za8+jGtZZB4+GxkA2YAU9kb6msV/EbRgFAOcDyHDGl8urscUXBNiQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:bd09:: with SMTP id y9mr19844260pjr.179.1617495270031; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:14:29 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:31 -0400") References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:14:29 -0500 Message-ID: <CADwFkmnZZbmuzE3irWXQDLFM7seLPgaipOg7dh6iuHFxSSNziQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >> According to the documentation, `enable-theme' enables variable and face >> settings of already loaded themes, so I think it makes sense that it >> doesn't offer completions in emacs -Q, because there is no loaded theme >> yet. >> >> Perhaps you wanted to do M-x load-theme, which should properly complete >> with themes from etc/themes, among other directories? > > I know it works as documented, but I don't think it's the behavior we > really want. We should autoload themes, just like we autoload pretty > much everything else. I'm not exactly sure why we bother differentiating between loading a theme and enabling it. Technically, I understand that there is a difference. But why should a user have to fiddle around with it? I have themes in the Emacs distribution or installed from some ELPA repository. I am now interested in exactly one thing: enable this installed theme. Or don't. Load as necessary. As a user, I am almost completely indifferent to what symbols are defined in my Emacs session. IOW, I'd be in favour of removing one of `enable-theme' or `load-theme' and ensure we always DTRT and DWIM (which includes autoloading when necessary). (If someone needs a way to reload themes (besides `load-file', I suppose), we could have a new function `theme-reload'.)
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2021 06:10:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 27 02:10:36 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43178 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lQ29b-00082N-Nw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 02:10:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lQ29Z-000826-SR; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 02:10:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lQ29T-0004xZ-D0; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 02:10:27 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3562 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lQ29M-0001E2-Vc; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 02:10:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:10:22 +0300 Message-Id: <837dltp1o1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:31 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) severity 47424 wishlist thanks > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:31 -0400 > Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Perhaps you wanted to do M-x load-theme, which should properly complete > > with themes from etc/themes, among other directories? > > I know it works as documented, but I don't think it's the behavior we > really want. We should autoload themes, just like we autoload pretty > much everything else. So you are asking for a new feature: autoload themes. However, while autoloading commands, functions, and variables happens when they are first used, what would be the trigger(s) for autoloading themes? If it's just enable-theme, I'm not sure autoloading themes is justified.
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Full text available.Received: (at 47424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2021 02:40:48 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 26 22:40:47 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lPysZ-0002o2-Lc for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:47 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:37368) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <monnier@HIDDEN>) id 1lPysX-0002nm-GP for 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:45 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 917C4805EF; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A938280182; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1616812831; bh=yGbv6EAd1y/V1sK3+bcYxso0fgAtIYXB189XhinVxxc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=aXwrpiFiLRvoximPtQ4Gai7GHRegS1xwkXdNhv5euyU59h1hy6t/E0/Jl9M333YJN RnkaS2xzcdZV3yMqoZkoLmtG/NgG6IcSlX5MVHFxBpv9SnVlIhtK+c3dsm/p/FL4AR +3MWCaBEJPmuyS4jxG6puHtA+DBx7b/sR42oZZGbXQFajyyRKh7/pzw1ciVnqBJDCx gCH6URugXVpwcJ9qBgjlO4328qRghTGX7/rJa/ESW9iRFW241iMpXdO4jWRxeEDqjg 27sM4wMH9ZTgRxPrHq4nd/DzWl1jFSv8C1RDwEDlIFbfPEtsSYtjKSesttVw+3zVMf YOxhrPuDNj0Bg== Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.43.249]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 716D71201BB; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> To: Daniel =?windows-1252?Q?Mart=EDn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#47424: 28.0.50; enable-theme shows an empty list Message-ID: <jwvczvlz5hg.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> References: <jwv5z1dwq2i.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y2e9e55d.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:40:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <jwvtuoxz7ey.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:31 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.099 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47424 Cc: 47424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> According to the documentation, `enable-theme' enables variable and face >> settings of already loaded themes, so I think it makes sense that it >> doesn't offer completions in emacs -Q, because there is no loaded theme >> yet. >> >> Perhaps you wanted to do M-x load-theme, which should properly complete >> with themes from etc/themes, among other directories? > > I know it works as documented, but I don't think it's the behavior we > really want. We should autoload themes, just like we autoload pretty > much everything else. BTW, we already do some of that for themes in other cases. E.g. `M-x customize-themes` is perfectly able to list the available themes without having to load them beforehand, and so is `M-x custom-theme-visit-theme` which will additionally autoload the theme you choose to customize if needed. Stefan
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Perhaps you wanted to do M-x load-theme, which should properly complete with themes from etc/themes, among other directories?
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<mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Package: Emacs Version: 28.0.50 If I do emacs -Q M-x enable-theme RET TAB I'd expect to see a list of available themes including at least thoese in `etc/themes`, but that list is empty ;-( Stefan In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2021-03-16 built on alfajor Repository revision: e325e51217a5504dd61656eeaf1b7d62ecdc0248 Repository branch: work Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12010000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid Configured using: 'configure -C --enable-checking --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-modules --with-cairo --with-tiff=ifavailable 'CFLAGS=-Wall -g3 -Og -Wno-pointer-sign' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/monnier/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: fr_CH.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: InactiveMinibuffer Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t global-reveal-mode: t reveal-mode: t auto-insert-mode: t savehist-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t global-compact-docstrings-mode: t url-handler-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t global-prettify-symbols-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t Load-path shadows: /home/monnier/src/emacs/elpa/packages/ivy-hydra/ivy-hydra hides /home/monnier/src/emacs/elpa/packages/ivy/ivy-hydra /home/monnier/src/emacs/elpa/packages/hyperbole/set hides /home/monnier/src/emacs/work/lisp/emacs-lisp/set /home/monnier/src/emacs/elpa/packages/landmark/landmark hides /home/monnier/src/emacs/work/lisp/obsolete/landmark /home/monnier/src/emacs/elpa/packages/crisp/crisp hides /home/monnier/src/emacs/work/lisp/obsolete/crisp Features: (rfc2104 smtpmail shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug adaptive-wrap mm-archive url-dav cus-edit cus-start cus-load url-http-ntlm ntlm hmac-md5 hex-util md4 gnutls network-stream url-http url-gw nsm shr-color color html5-schema rng-xsd xsd-regexp rng-cmpct rng-nxml rng-valid rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse nxml-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn nxml-ns nxml-mode nxml-outln nxml-rap sgml-mode nxml-util nxml-enc xmltok sh-script make-mode tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration tramp-compat ls-lisp gited-tests gited gited-ci ert hideshow sml-mode package-x two-column typer-mode url-file url-dired url-cache quail texinfo tex-mode mode-local bbdb-com crm bbdb bbdb-site timezone tuareg tuareg-opam caml-types 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vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table help abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 8 2117642 359421) (symbols 24 58178 92) (strings 16 237236 31333) (string-bytes 1 8204470) (vectors 8 207462) (vector-slots 4 3873938 567298) (floats 8 1566 415) (intervals 28 319267 613) (buffers 564 655))
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