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Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
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Reported by: bo0od <bo0od <at> riseup.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 05:14:02 UTC
Severity: normal
Tags: notabug
Done: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
Hi There,
According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to
have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection
available at the installation process.
This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM which
doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it (falling
into same category of static-ip).
solving/giving:
- Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well documented
and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled by new
users)check #47630
- Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands it
will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing
(compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and
so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity like
nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc
- Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it
...etc
And any user who doesnt want GUI he can switch to tty for commands or
textual installation. (The image of the guix will be bigger for surely,
But as they say the bigger the better)
ThX!
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Message #8 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
Hi,
bo0od <bo0od <at> riseup.net> skribis:
> According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to
> have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection
> available at the installation process.
More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation
would work because it depends on the software and services you’ll
choose.
> This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM
> which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it
> (falling into same category of static-ip).
>
> solving/giving:
>
> - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well
> documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled
> by new users)check #47630
Right, this one’s already filed.
> - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands
> it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing
> (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and
> so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity
> like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc
Did you try the graphical installation?
https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/
It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of
the issues you describe.
> - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it
Did you try the live VM image?
https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/
I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues
focused on specific problems.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
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Message #15 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> Did you try the graphical installation?
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/
>
> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of
> the issues you describe.
Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and
others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI of
their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access to
the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily
specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you
can even test the distro without the need to install it)
Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening.
> Did you try the live VM image?
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/
What? where?
> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues
> focused on specific problems.
Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check
other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc
If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian is
doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to
configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation.
Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places where
internet need to be configured manually (adding IP,Gateway,Netmask...
manually).
Ludovic Courtès:
> Hi,
>
> bo0od <bo0od <at> riseup.net> skribis:
>
>> According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to
>> have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection
>> available at the installation process.
>
> More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation
> would work because it depends on the software and services you’ll
> choose.
>
>> This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM
>> which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it
>> (falling into same category of static-ip).
>>
>> solving/giving:
>>
>> - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well
>> documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled
>> by new users)check #47630
>
> Right, this one’s already filed.
>
>> - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands
>> it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing
>> (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and
>> so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity
>> like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc
>
> Did you try the graphical installation?
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/
>
> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of
> the issues you describe.
>
>> - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it
>
> Did you try the live VM image?
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/
>
> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues
> focused on specific problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
>
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Message #18 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
Hi,
bo0od <bo0od <at> riseup.net> skribis:
>> Did you try the graphical installation?
>>
>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/
>>
>> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of
>> the issues you describe.
>
> Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and
> others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI
> of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access
> to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily
> specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you
> can even test the distro without the need to install it)
Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn’t look
appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer,
similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don’t have
to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps,
etc.
> Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening.
>
>> Did you try the live VM image?
>>
>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/
>
> What? where?
Search for “QEMU”.
>> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues
>> focused on specific problems.
>
> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check
> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc
I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it
doesn’t have a guided installer.
> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian
> is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to
> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation.
So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs.
That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that’s something
we could consider.
For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
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Message #21 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
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On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +0000, bo0od wrote:
> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check
> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc
>
>
> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian
> is
> doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to
> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation.
>
> Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places
> where
> internet need to be configured manually (adding
> IP,Gateway,Netmask...
> manually).
GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their
own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the
steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before
trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are
only going to improve. The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to
dive in and contribute, if you can, please do!
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Message #24 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself.
Ok as you wish why not, But please dont give something less than what
Debian installer providing.
Ludovic Courtès:
> Hi,
>
> bo0od <bo0od <at> riseup.net> skribis:
>
>>> Did you try the graphical installation?
>>>
>>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/
>>>
>>> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of
>>> the issues you describe.
>>
>> Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and
>> others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI
>> of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access
>> to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily
>> specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you
>> can even test the distro without the need to install it)
>
> Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn’t look
> appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer,
> similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don’t have
> to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps,
> etc.
>
>> Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening.
>>
>>> Did you try the live VM image?
>>>
>>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/
>>
>> What? where?
>
> Search for “QEMU”.
>
>>> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues
>>> focused on specific problems.
>>
>> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check
>> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc
>
> I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it
> doesn’t have a guided installer.
>
>> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian
>> is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to
>> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation.
>
> So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs.
> That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that’s something
> we could consider.
>
> For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself.
>
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
>
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Message #27 received at 47631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> GNU Guix right now is not for novice users
Yeah i can see that clearly.
> The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to
> dive in and contribute, if you can, please do!
Sure i will try, Thanks alot <f>
Léo Le Bouter:
> On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +0000, bo0od wrote:
>> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check
>> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc
>>
>>
>> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian
>> is
>> doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to
>> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation.
>>
>> Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places
>> where
>> internet need to be configured manually (adding
>> IP,Gateway,Netmask...
>> manually).
>
> GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their
> own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the
> steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before
> trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are
> only going to improve. The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to
> dive in and contribute, if you can, please do!
>
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