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Full text available.Received: (at 4833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 31 Oct 2009 09:05:13 +0000 From eliz@HIDDEN Sat Oct 31 02:05:13 2009 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il (mtaout23.012.net.il [80.179.55.175]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9V95BmH014180 for <4833@HIDDEN>; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:05:12 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KSD00G00FLM9600@HIDDEN> for 4833@HIDDEN; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:05:05 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.37.193]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KSD00GH1FWG2410@HIDDEN> for 4833@HIDDEN; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:05:05 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:05:05 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#4833: 23.1; Mode line is not ergonomic and not easily customizable In-reply-to: <83r5skex4v.fsf@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: 4833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-id: <838wesdjcu.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <83r5skex4v.fsf@HIDDEN> See also this thread on emacs-devel: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-10/msg00658.html
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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9UFA4ws007575 for <submit@HIDDEN>; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:10:05 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N3t75-0007Q9-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N3t71-0007Ms-Cc for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58103 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N3t70-0007Mg-OK for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:09:58 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:62320) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1N3t70-0000Qa-6p for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:09:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KSC004001U0E600@HIDDEN> for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:09:48 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.131.95]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KSC000XM247T0A0@HIDDEN> for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:09:44 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:09:52 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: 23.1; Mode line is not ergonomic and not easily customizable X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83r5skex4v.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) Please make the mode-line display more ergonomic and more easily customizable. I frequently find myself in a situation where the information that's important to me is pushed beyond the right edge of the mode line, and is thus invisible. Annoyingly, a large part of the real estate of the mode line is taken by information that is much less important, like the percentage of the file before the window start and the list of minor modes in effect. The latter, for example, is quite static in any given buffer, so once you saw it for the first time, there's no need to continue showing it in such a central place. However, even in a C buffer, the mode shown is "C/l Abbrev", which is quite long. And when I read mail, I see something like "RMAIL XXXX/YYYY answered, deleted"; when replying to mail it's "Mail Fly Abbrev Fill", etc. These are very long strings that I don't need to see all the time, because they almost never change. But they steal too much precious space. By contrast, dynamic information such as the current time, the system load, the battery condition, the mail indicator, the current function (when in which-func-mode), etc. -- these are banished off the edge of the mode line, and cannot be consulted. This effectively makes these features unavailable, unless one is willing to make her frames unreasonably wide or even full-screen. I consider this a bad misfeature. What's more, modifying what's in the mode line is not an easy task (unless I'm missing something): it boils down to reading bindings.el and manually setting various parts of standard-mode-line-* variables to remove or rearrange what is shown. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-31 on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1255 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: RMAIL Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t temp-buffer-resize-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent input: <C-down> <left> . <down> <left> <left> , SPC u n l e s s SPC o n e SPC i s SPC w i l l i n g SPC t o SPC m a k e SPC h e r SPC f r a m e s SPC u n r e a s o n a b l y SPC w i d e SPC o r e SPC <backspace> <backspace> SPC e v e n SPC f u l l - s c r e e n M-q <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <right> <C-home> C-c C-s <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> M-1 g <up> <up> <return> d n d SPC SPC d SPC SPC d C-x C-s M-n <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <switch-frame> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <help-echo> <switch-frame> M-1 g <up> <return> n d d d t SPC t SPC d SPC d SPC SPC d d SPC SPC d d SPC SPC M-z M-z SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC <M-home> C-r s o u r c e f <M-end> <next> <next> <prior> <next> <next> <next> <next> <next> <next> <M-home> C-x C-x M-n M-p <M-end> d C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-x l C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z C-z n d d d d p M-x r e p o r t - e m a <tab> <return> Recent messages: Getting mail from d:/usr/eli/data/mail.new... 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