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#4897
23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer
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Reported by: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut <at> gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:00:04 UTC
Severity: wishlist
Tags: wontfix
Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
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The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the
Info-index command. Some languages, e.g. Forth or Scheme, have the
convention to append a question mark to predicate names and so typing a
plain ? is needed rather often.
Also, ? seems to do almost the same as TAB.
Please make ? a self-inserting command in the minibuffer.
Helmut
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Helmut Eller wrote:
> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the
> Info-index command.
It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader.
You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'.
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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
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> Helmut Eller wrote:
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>> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the
>> Info-index command.
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> It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader.
> You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'.
IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use
the more natural "TAB" binding instead.
However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we
really change it now? Any opinions?
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> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100
> Cc: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut <at> gmail.com>, 4897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the
> >> Info-index command.
> >
> > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader.
> > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'.
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> IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use
> the more natural "TAB" binding instead.
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> However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we
> really change it now? Any opinions?
It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so
I think the case for the change is quite weak.
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> > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100
> > Cc: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut <at> gmail.com>, 4897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the
> > >> Info-index command.
> > >
> > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader.
> > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'.
> >
> > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use
> > the more natural "TAB" binding instead.
> >
> > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we
> > really change it now? Any opinions?
>
> It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so
> I think the case for the change is quite weak.
That makes sense. I'm consequently closing the bug as wontfix.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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Message #26 received at 4897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader.
> > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'.
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> IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use
> the more natural "TAB" binding instead.
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> However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we
> really change it now? Any opinions?
One opinion: go ahead and remove it.
Anyone who really wants it can add it back
individually.
But it would be good to hear from others,
including anyone who uses it.
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Message #29 received at 4897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so
> I think the case for the change is quite weak.
That's true. And the fact that using `?'
immediately shows `*Help*' helps (especially if
that help tells you about `?' - see below).
So I retract my vote to remove it.
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However, it might be better for the displayed help
to not immediately disappear if you click it or
try to search it (`C-s'), etc., and to put it into
a separate window. I.e., let it just do what
`C-h m' does.
And it might be better for the displayed help to
put this first line before other key descriptions:
? Display this help. (`C-q ?' inserts `?'.)
h Invoke the Info tutorial.
q Quit Info: reselect previously selected buffer.
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