GNU bug report logs - #49065
28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:58:02 UTC

Severity: normal

Tags: patch, wontfix

Found in version 28.0.50

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 13:57:12 -0400
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In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 9, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30, cairo version 1.15.10)
 of 2021-06-16 built on dick
Repository revision: 1aece73f02724f283bea73e374f6f7f2b4af3b50
Repository branch: gnus-dev-28
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11906000
System Description: Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/dick/.local'
Configured features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2
LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND
THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB
Important settings:
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Message #10 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>
To: dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 23:03:24 +0300
It'd be more helpful to submit this in series of small-to-middle
patches.  It's very hard to review a "patch bomb"...

Filipp




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Message #13 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:39:50 -0700
Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm> writes:

> It'd be more helpful to submit this in series of small-to-middle
> patches.  It's very hard to review a "patch bomb"...

+1. You're stuck with the code reviewers you've got, so in the interest
of seeing your changes go in, I'd recommend making things easier on us
mere mortals. At the very least, separate your doc changes out from your
code changes.

Sincerely,
Someone who would like these changes or something like them to be applied




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Message #16 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>,
 dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:52:10 -0700
Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm> writes:
>
>> It'd be more helpful to submit this in series of small-to-middle
>> patches.  It's very hard to review a "patch bomb"...
>
> +1. You're stuck with the code reviewers you've got, so in the interest
> of seeing your changes go in, I'd recommend making things easier on us
> mere mortals. At the very least, separate your doc changes out from your
> code changes.
>
> Sincerely,
> Someone who would like these changes or something like them to be applied

Any updates here?  It would be great if these changes could go in, but
they would need to be broken down into much smaller chunks for that to
happen.




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Message #19 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>,
 dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 18:20:55 -0700
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm> writes:
>>
>>> It'd be more helpful to submit this in series of small-to-middle
>>> patches.  It's very hard to review a "patch bomb"...
>>
>> +1. You're stuck with the code reviewers you've got, so in the interest
>> of seeing your changes go in, I'd recommend making things easier on us
>> mere mortals. At the very least, separate your doc changes out from your
>> code changes.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Someone who would like these changes or something like them to be applied
>
> Any updates here?  It would be great if these changes could go in, but
> they would need to be broken down into much smaller chunks for that to
> happen.

I think the update is that the bug reporter has forked Emacs entirely:

https://github.com/dickmao/commercial-emacs

Probably this bug report can be closed.




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Message #22 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>,
 dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 00:12:00 -0700
Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I think the update is that the bug reporter has forked Emacs entirely:
>
> https://github.com/dickmao/commercial-emacs
>
> Probably this bug report can be closed.

This code was offered to Emacs, so I don't think the fork is relevant.

We are still waiting to hear back from the original poster of this bug
report, to see if he is prepared to break this patch down into smaller
chunks.  That would be by far the best outcome for Emacs, both the
original version and his fork.  (It would, among other things, of course
make the work of maintaining his fork easier.)

If he can't or won't do that, perhaps there is someone else here who is
capable and willing to do that work.  Perhaps there are features in
there that are indeed very useful.  I don't know, but I feel like it
would at the very least be worth taking a look.

Only if both those options fail, should we close this bug report.

But that's just my opinion, of course.




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Message #25 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net, 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm,
 dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:15:04 -0400
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  > This code was offered to Emacs, so I don't think the fork is relevant.

That is good news.  If his changes are good, we would definitely want
to merge them.

-- 
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Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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Message #28 received at 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin <at> fastmail.fm>,
 dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49065: 28.0.50; Major Changes to Gnus
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:11:32 +0100
Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> +1. You're stuck with the code reviewers you've got, so in the interest
> of seeing your changes go in, I'd recommend making things easier on us
> mere mortals. At the very least, separate your doc changes out from your
> code changes.

There's been no movement here in 20 weeks, so it seems unlikely there'll
be any further developments here, and I'm closing this bug report.

(Improving Gnus in the areas I ... imagine these changes do would be
great, though, so I hope they'll be resubmitted in a fashion that will
allow us to apply them.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




Added tag(s) wontfix. Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Thu, 11 Nov 2021 05:12:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug closed, send any further explanations to 49065 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Thu, 11 Nov 2021 05:12:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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