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As title. I think this might be useful for people who disable the external
border and use tab-bar as their status bar. I found there is option to
move the frame by draging header-line (the drag-with-header-line frame
parameter), so I think it's reasonable to also support something like
"drag-with-tab-bar-line" for tab-bar-mode users.



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> As title. I think this might be useful for people who disable the external
> border and use tab-bar as their status bar. I found there is option to
> move the frame by draging header-line (the drag-with-header-line frame
> parameter), so I think it's reasonable to also support something like
> "drag-with-tab-bar-line" for tab-bar-mode users.

I guess you meant tab-line, right?  Because the currently draggable
header-line corresponds to tab-line, not to tab-bar.  Whereas tab-bar
corresponds to tool-bar that is not draggable.

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>>> As title. I think this might be useful for people who disable the external
>>> border and use tab-bar as their status bar. I found there is option to
>>> move the frame by draging header-line (the drag-with-header-line frame
>>> parameter), so I think it's reasonable to also support something like
>>> "drag-with-tab-bar-line" for tab-bar-mode users.
>>
>> I guess you meant tab-line, right?  Because the currently draggable
>> header-line corresponds to tab-line, not to tab-bar.  Whereas tab-bar
>> corresponds to tool-bar that is not draggable.
>
> No. I do mean tab-bar, the utility to store window configuration and switch
> between them.
>
> I propose adding draggable feature for tab-bar since I know many people are
> using it.
> For people using tab-bar-mode and disabling the frame title, it would be
> nice to move the frame by dragging the tab-bar.

The problem is that tab-bar is based on tool-bar, but the native tool-bar
doesn't support dragging.  So this feature will be difficult to implement.

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> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:30:47 +0300
> Cc: 49247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> > I propose adding draggable feature for tab-bar since I know many people are
> > using it.
> > For people using tab-bar-mode and disabling the frame title, it would be
> > nice to move the frame by dragging the tab-bar.
> 
> The problem is that tab-bar is based on tool-bar, but the native tool-bar
> doesn't support dragging.  So this feature will be difficult to implement.

I actually don't quite see how to implement it even if it wasn't hard:
dragging the frame by its title bar or the external border is
implemented in the window manager, not in Emacs.  What would be the
way of implementing something similar in Emacs?

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>> > I propose adding draggable feature for tab-bar since I know many people are
>> > using it.
>> > For people using tab-bar-mode and disabling the frame title, it would be
>> > nice to move the frame by dragging the tab-bar.
>> 
>> The problem is that tab-bar is based on tool-bar, but the native tool-bar
>> doesn't support dragging.  So this feature will be difficult to implement.
>
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> dragging the frame by its title bar or the external border is
> implemented in the window manager, not in Emacs.  What would be the
> way of implementing something similar in Emacs?

I don't know, I can't find any existing Emacs code that does something like
frame dragging.  But it seems this is not needed because many window managers
already support this feature where it's easy to drag the frame
after clicking anywhere in the frame while holding a modifier key.
So if no one has an idea how to implement the same in Emacs,
this request could be closed.

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 > I actually don't quite see how to implement it even if it wasn't hard:
 > dragging the frame by its title bar or the external border is
 > implemented in the window manager, not in Emacs.  What would be the
 > way of implementing something similar in Emacs?

See section 30.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters of the Elisp manual.

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> Cc: 49247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, s930054123yaoyao@HIDDEN
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> 
>  > I actually don't quite see how to implement it even if it wasn't hard:
>  > dragging the frame by its title bar or the external border is
>  > implemented in the window manager, not in Emacs.  What would be the
>  > way of implementing something similar in Emacs?
> 
> See section 30.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters of the Elisp manual.

Thanks.

So you are saying that the original problem already has a solution?

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>> I actually don't quite see how to implement it even if it wasn't hard:
>> dragging the frame by its title bar or the external border is
>> implemented in the window manager, not in Emacs.  What would be the
>> way of implementing something similar in Emacs?
>
> See section 30.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters of the Elisp manual.

This is an impressive feature - it works like in window managers.

The only difference is that after trying

  (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-header-line t)

then dragging is limited only to the screen boundaries
and doesn't allow dragging parts of the frame off the screen
(to leave frame partly visible) like window managers do.

Also can't drag by the mode-line with

  (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-mode-line t)

but probably because it affects only frames without minibuffer window.

So it seems it should be possible to do the same for tab-line by implementing

  (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-tab-line t)

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 >> See section 30.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters of the Elisp manual.
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 > So you are saying that the original problem already has a solution?

What is the original problem?

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 > This is an impressive feature - it works like in window managers.
 >
 > The only difference is that after trying
 >
 >    (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-header-line t)
 >
 > then dragging is limited only to the screen boundaries
 > and doesn't allow dragging parts of the frame off the screen
 > (to leave frame partly visible) like window managers do.

This should be customizable via the `top-visible' and `bottom-visible'
parameters.  Note that dragging frames is mainly intended for child
frames - frames contained within another frame - which with all GNU
Linux window managers I know of are neither equipped with a title bar
nor with a border.  It's too easy to drag a child frame off the area of
its parent in a way that you can't recover it with the mouse - also
because in such case the mouse-sensitive regions of parent and child
frame overlap.  The default should keep you on the safe side.

 > Also can't drag by the mode-line with
 >
 >    (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-mode-line t)
 >
 > but probably because it affects only frames without minibuffer window.

That's not a principal restriction.  But I considered it confusing to
allow dragging with a bar that is not located on top or bottom of the
containing frame.

 > So it seems it should be possible to do the same for tab-line by implementing
 >
 >    (set-frame-parameter nil 'drag-with-tab-line t)

It should be also possible to drag a frame with the tab bar.  Unless
dragging should conceptually have different semantics with tabs as, for
example, to drag them from left to right and vice versa on their bar or
line.

martin

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> Cc: juri@HIDDEN, 49247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, s930054123yaoyao@HIDDEN
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>  >> See section 30.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters of the Elisp manual.
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>  > So you are saying that the original problem already has a solution?
> 
> What is the original problem?

Quoting from the original report:

  As title. I think this might be useful for people who disable the
  external border and use tab-bar as their status bar. I found there
  is option to move the frame by draging header-line (the
  drag-with-header-line frame parameter), so I think it's reasonable
  to also support something like "drag-with-tab-bar-line" for
  tab-bar-mode users.

You explained that it is possible to drag such frames by the mode line
of the bottommost window, which provides solution for frames that have
no header line.

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> It should be also possible to drag a frame with the tab bar.

That would require significant changes in how mouse clicks on the tab
bar are processed.  Currently, if the click is not on some glyph of
the tab-bar text, it is ignored.

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 >> What is the original problem?
 >
 > Quoting from the original report:
 >
 >    As title. I think this might be useful for people who disable the
 >    external border and use tab-bar as their status bar. I found there
 >    is option to move the frame by draging header-line (the
 >    drag-with-header-line frame parameter), so I think it's reasonable
 >    to also support something like "drag-with-tab-bar-line" for
 >    tab-bar-mode users.
 >
 > You explained that it is possible to drag such frames by the mode line
 > of the bottommost window, which provides solution for frames that have
 > no header line.

I've tried to implement now what the OP wanted - the parameter is called
`drag-with-tab-line'.

martin

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> I've tried to implement now what the OP wanted - the parameter is called
> `drag-with-tab-line'.

I tried it out, and it works nicely.  Would it be possible also to
implement the same for `drag-with-tab-bar'?

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>> It should be also possible to drag a frame with the tab bar.
>
> That would require significant changes in how mouse clicks on the tab
> bar are processed.  Currently, if the click is not on some glyph of
> the tab-bar text, it is ignored.

There were also user requests to change the mouse pointer shape
to ‘hand’ when the mouse pointer is over the tab-bar tabs,
the same way as currently the mouse pointer changes to ‘hand’
when it's over the tab-line tabs.

I guess this will also require significant changes in how
mouse mouse motion events on the tab-bar are processed?
Would it be possible to implement the same handling for the tab-bar
as it's already implemented for the tab-line?

BTW, during frame dragging, window managers change the mouse pointer to
‘hand’.  But Emacs frame dragging doesn't change the mouse pointer.
Is it possible to change the mouse pointer also while dragging the
frame from Emacs?

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