Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 11:55:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 07:55:08 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47959 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mVYB2-0003tG-CW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:55:08 -0400 Received: from mail.purcellpeople.com ([139.162.128.219]:59422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <steve@HIDDEN>) id 1mVYAz-0003sg-LW for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:55:06 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sanityinc.com; s=default; t=1632916498; bh=9aMpdC1S+c1eJSLUuWt06ri8/mNvi3aqD4Ch9YX0TLk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=HYZzNauuGuuqipwQxmSx1CnnXn78fcbMQoBlH+fidynDOLx/+V/80eJCUfuRf0tNl vpb4Y2GBU2sytJqyK6UQRQogaBk/bPmxbXWUKOpUfBAMhYbElb7SkxW/U5pav7L/Ub J9KAwYOh8FjUvyRhktBU1C/irOKXEB5PbZO55nVw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 From: Steve Purcell <steve@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmZaskx9jPjA-+-qW2jUgfdE=ke2Of23f4PsSKQuEPU2w@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:54:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6F6A96BA-4E01-4305-83EE-F26A11C7B0E8@HIDDEN> References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v956o18e.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmZaskx9jPjA-+-qW2jUgfdE=ke2Of23f4PsSKQuEPU2w@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On 29 Sep 2021, at 13:48, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 > (With copy to Steve Purcell.) >=20 > Steve Purcell has some code to do this, or at least parts of it, here: >=20 > https://github.com/purcell/package-lint/tree/master/tools >=20 > It comes out to this: >=20 > = https://github.com/purcell/package-lint/blob/master/data/stdlib-changes >=20 > Perhaps Steve would be willing to contribute his work, or even help us > integrate his tools into Emacs? You=E2=80=99re very willing to integrate that code if it helps. It=E2=80=99= s quite rough and ready, so not completely sure how useful it would be = to you. You=E2=80=99ll see it relies on loading all features in all = emacs versions, and then diffing the various sets of symbols. It works = okay for package-lint=E2=80=99s purposes at least.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.
Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 11:49:04 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 07:49:04 2021
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
id 1mVY59-0003i9-RH
for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:49:04 -0400
Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:47080)
by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
(envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1mVY55-0003hd-PC
for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:49:03 -0400
Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id m21so2363048pgu.13
for <49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20210112;
h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent
:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc;
bh=b3K6weSe1t7go7VQ7l+C/lhItZm7fJXyrjhngSIJG6c=;
b=Jhi44W2P50D8PGCBepL+52unChK2x6oPvQWs2iQSu+p6aEs4BZfjm3HUhoobZ28ZOB
M7BW71ro5IBZbxvIHv0Q9xcir098BW/vBqXpD9W2pJRN+89NbU+YUsc/66GYGBZsyRQ7
89V1rvJHkyuS/30v/ZjHCyz8RFDefQ2O3Ztys+Sw9PjKhI94hQLRSJA04ypSyMQj+kRL
a9EHnLgFuFM4hYebwc5be7ta4dPSREx8+bXkHYPbJ+sHez7PsrS7/DZkJc3TT44RNB93
zesZ3bjFUALLg05na9AN+9/zLXJlMMN3qIB8B3bua2EdkztxK+drnUdi5RJl6tUKi1wP
EORQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532q/YlM+cZIAz8T68G0lmR2ctb2isGP3L1r5Stbg2qrh3Iy6Z8l
5bkrOckjB2TV/TVlJ77CFPplYRM2tC58H+yZF1g=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzQuvKEPqrgDqJtrfWn/bjwXYY7sajJk7hnVutKGj8KGfj2Mv2VhrPOO5tGJua14DWnK5W8yV+svSHeQaJt704=
X-Received: by 2002:a63:4717:: with SMTP id u23mr9091346pga.359.1632916133897;
Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:48:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with
HTTPREST; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:48:53 -0700
From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
In-Reply-To: <87v956o18e.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon,
19 Jul 2021 15:57:21 +0200")
References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN>
<87v956o18e.fsf@HIDDEN>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:48:53 -0700
Message-ID: <CADwFkmmZaskx9jPjA-+-qW2jUgfdE=ke2Of23f4PsSKQuEPU2w@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced
at or before Emacs version 24.4
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631
Cc: Steve Purcell <steve@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>,
Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>,
<mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>,
<mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/)
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> C-h f dired-hide-details-mode says
>>>
>>> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4.
>>>
>>> Why doesn't it _know_ precisely which versiob that function was
>>> introduced in? It was only a few versions ago, so this was not
>>> something lost in prehistory. What causes the uncertainty?
>>
>> The feature works by searching the etc/NEWS* files, and finding a
>> symbol there doesn't necessarily mean the Emacs release in which it's
>> mentioned is the actual release where the symbol was introduced. For
>> example, we sometimes forget to announce features and only do that
>> later. Thus the uncertainty and the cautious language.
>
> And Richard may not know that we've discussed, innumerable times, whether
> we should maintain an actual registry to avoid the guessing, and we've
> concluded that this would be too much work.
>
> Which is still the conclusion.
(With copy to Steve Purcell.)
Steve Purcell has some code to do this, or at least parts of it, here:
https://github.com/purcell/package-lint/tree/master/tools
It comes out to this:
https://github.com/purcell/package-lint/blob/master/data/stdlib-changes
Perhaps Steve would be willing to contribute his work, or even help us
integrate his tools into Emacs?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2021 16:15:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 21 12:15:14 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m6EsM-0003Ze-K2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:15:14 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m6EsK-0003ZL-8M for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:15:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5NFjG6mHX1z15Jw63q712rq+7JwgneN1VBeCLSun9yY=; b=mnkA8ATu3BkbVxGcGpkzBJ0SCI wfbiJTtJuc5utbnws9wBePzuVaupmrWyRBq7Z7WDhBYwnkomE73VbxhQ2WHyLZcF+6aRAP/DfATvJ NEmRnYwW4L78hhkyjtP/nsYshJL9N32X3MOMYAP6LtZnUT9JKM6zjHdfJJ51KXNi0ikQ=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m6EsB-0008C7-Fh; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:15:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> <875yx3psa7.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXm2+Gzo6aRfYGI dHVrWVr///9IGotcAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UHFRAOG1d6HD4AAAGlSURBVDjLfVNr uqsgDExsF0DQBQi4AAUWUIH9r+kmPM7xtPbyQ/sxTiaZSQGQCC6H5Fjr4BZg6Bug4b8H1Rfg+Q3w nbi+V8pNfnonPuNxX2mLuRKJ/lKwlFRfydl6MeCpZFFfio/xJb2fQ6KUs/K8t+LEWToFt8J9PqQ1 tAowpFenLCKxSAF0O+AcOoBeuA1YGPCpD/pwQYAdJoPLCzAOjXmzu7gtXj5PBnIHdKY0UpleMPnU tV2es3xNCglZI4w5NhuFocgwYBiIw/RQjlGK+FcMXcOSpSou03BXJZjhFs8r90iwrJzOFtZfAJUS WxcFU4puMKhegjbAV5O3o98aAS6KW+Yop5yv2WNVl9Qxmz/3zDHv2bZa3JJ5W1cmSKv8vCZeJyD8 LCKfgvqs3Ua+27Y+XCWrqzbto+bMEeP5AyjdCOy2dV6XX+DR6LFYpzeObCiqtvyPkoKfj3mv+1KB JjgXu2VtxaZn2zeqEuhsOoHMLC62Bqj9M4Nms12oEa2d0XaIU0Ibvf/x4GIGHjoUcwPAVg7SazPh 06N6pRTQHbV1BbfnH2z9MNJRFfZ8AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTA3LTIxVDE2OjE0 OjI3KzAwOjAwWdPwzQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wNy0yMVQxNjoxNDoyNyswMDow MCiOSHEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Jenny Hval's _The Practice of Love_: "Lions (feat Vivian Wang)" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:15:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <875yx3psa7.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:04:32 +0200") Message-ID: <871r7rprsp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I see you're using the word "we" a lot here -- are you volunteering to > do this work? (Sorry for the tone here -- that came off way more grouchy than I had intended.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I see you're using the word "we" a lot here -- are you volunteering to > do this work? (Sorry for the tone here -- that came off way more grouchy than I had intended.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2021 16:04:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 21 12:04:44 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m6EiC-0003IP-GL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:04:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m6EiA-0003IC-Aa for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:04:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aE7ouF83mc4UgnCRMxmdfXXgO0V6xRjxOWJ5g2/FNnw=; b=AB2b7xd/uo+GLia1SEfhvcnmwl bHR/DE761YJrs8Qggv7kUR4ZcvFC4wO97h2m/7L0PrZTVZdPe2xrDl0Qs6hck7Q4JxE3r7H3Z2Oa2 JNhENfh/7NP4w3Z0DdJFp2uAqnsRxCC7o87O5EFgTtNySUfpouHDeqKSOhajESdlPbsE=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m6Ei1-00086P-CT; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:04:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Coil's _The Restitution of Decayed Intelligence_: "Animal Are You?" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:04:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400") Message-ID: <875yx3psa7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes: > There could be a few functions for which that does not give correct > results, as they were defined in weird ways. We could add those > functions manually to the records. Since they won't be many, w [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes: > There could be a few functions for which that does not give correct > results, as they were defined in weird ways. We could add those > functions manually to the records. Since they won't be many, we could > afford to do that by hand. I see you're using the word "we" a lot here -- are you volunteering to do this work? If there's one thing Emacs doesn't need, it's yet more formalism around adding/changing functionality. We already have a procedure for this that is more than 99% accurate. Adding all this work for getting to 100% and being able to remove the word "probably" in the *Help* buffers seems like a very strange prioritisation. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2021 11:31:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 21 07:31:33 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36294 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m6ARp-0006ok-47 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 07:31:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m6ARn-0006jK-LW for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 07:31:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m6ARi-0004PZ-9T for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 07:31:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3181 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m6ARW-0002ni-P7; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 07:31:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:31:16 +0300 Message-Id: <83zguf52ez.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: rms@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > Cc: 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400 > > I think we can implement an efficient, accurate, automatic way to > determine which release each function appeared in. > > We could run a script on each Emacs release to find all the function > definitions in it, then make a sorted list of their names. By > comparing these, we can find for each function the first release it > was defined in. > > We only need to scan each release once, all in the same way. We would > scan the old releases at the start, and scan each new release when it > is made, adding new functions to the records. > > There could be a few functions for which that does not give correct > results, as they were defined in weird ways. We could add those > functions manually to the records. Since they won't be many, we could > afford to do that by hand. > > Scanning a new release will never alter the information about > functions in previous releases, so once we have fixed an exception, it > will stay fixed. Yes, this could work. Patches are welcome to implement this.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2021 00:52:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 20 20:52:19 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m60TD-0008J3-Fq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m60TB-0008Ip-No for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m60T6-0001Co-D8 for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m60T6-0005Yv-8P; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:59:45 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1m60T6-0005Yv-8P@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:52:12 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The feature works by searching the etc/NEWS* files, and finding a > symbol there doesn't necessarily mean the Emacs release in which it's > mentioned is the actual release where the symbol was introduced. I think we can implement an efficient, accurate, automatic way to determine which release each function appeared in. We could run a script on each Emacs release to find all the function definitions in it, then make a sorted list of their names. By comparing these, we can find for each function the first release it was defined in. We only need to scan each release once, all in the same way. We would scan the old releases at the start, and scan each new release when it is made, adding new functions to the records. There could be a few functions for which that does not give correct results, as they were defined in weird ways. We could add those functions manually to the records. Since they won't be many, we could afford to do that by hand. Scanning a new release will never alter the information about functions in previous releases, so once we have fixed an exception, it will stay fixed. We don't have to include these records in the release. It's enough to compare them with the results of checking the NEWS files. Then generate a file listing the exceptions: functions whose first release differs from the result obtained by checking NEWS files. It should be short. help-fns--first-release could check that file of exceptions first. Then it could state its results as exact, not an approximation. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 13:57:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 09:57:31 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59662 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m5Tlz-0006Sp-Kd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Tly-0006Sc-3c for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:57:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZZFpsWEjzpkbDl2vtUCgCFRQPd8qVMU5eJFVLd1Ghfo=; b=mzVMGH+biwvWi0I6HaZEMKvaYo hnmsgNhM6BTdexCoy+SPcPc4q3s/tNWCAmk1Doi3xvY+AmLnlpGq+jlS+th1lCyD1r2MCQR8h9tE7 majvY3jP01WWD8XydfaLCTQ2R5SPltUi4K8wr8CjqlgOit3prix/CPSO8sPmc+w0GOEo=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Tlp-0007SP-Fe; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:57:24 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Arthur Russell's _Iowa Dreams_: "Just Regular People" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:57:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:59:45 +0300") Message-ID: <87v956o18e.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> C-h f dired-hide-details-mode says >> >> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4. >> >> Why doesn't it _know_ precisely which versiob that function was >> introduced in? It was only a f [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> C-h f dired-hide-details-mode says >> >> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4. >> >> Why doesn't it _know_ precisely which versiob that function was >> introduced in? It was only a few versions ago, so this was not >> something lost in prehistory. What causes the uncertainty? > > The feature works by searching the etc/NEWS* files, and finding a > symbol there doesn't necessarily mean the Emacs release in which it's > mentioned is the actual release where the symbol was introduced. For > example, we sometimes forget to announce features and only do that > later. Thus the uncertainty and the cautious language. And Richard may not know that we've discussed, innumerable times, whether we should maintain an actual registry to avoid the guessing, and we've concluded that this would be too much work. Which is still the conclusion. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 12:00:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 08:00:07 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m5RwM-00014H-Ij for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:00:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m5RwK-00012W-QG for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:00:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m5RwF-0002AX-FT for 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:59:59 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3714 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Rw5-00067D-Hr; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:59:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:59:45 +0300 Message-Id: <838s227bv2.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#49631: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 References: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49631 Cc: 49631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 > > > C-h f dired-hide-details-mode says > > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4. > > Why doesn't it _know_ precisely which versiob that function was > introduced in? It was only a few versions ago, so this was not > something lost in prehistory. What causes the uncertainty? The feature works by searching the etc/NEWS* files, and finding a symbol there doesn't necessarily mean the Emacs release in which it's mentioned is the actual release where the symbol was introduced. For example, we sometimes forget to announce features and only do that later. Thus the uncertainty and the cautious language.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 00:08:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 18 20:08:33 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57665 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m5Gpk-0004um-Gu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Gph-0004uT-Ma for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Gph-00079H-H4 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54542) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Gph-00078j-AQ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1m5Gph-0006D7-8j for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 28.0.50; dired-hide-details-mode Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4 Message-Id: <E1m5Gph-0006D7-8j@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) C-h f dired-hide-details-mode says Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.4. Why doesn't it _know_ precisely which versiob that function was introduced in? It was only a few versions ago, so this was not something lost in prehistory. What causes the uncertainty? In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32, cairo version 1.15.10) of 2021-05-12 built on freetop Repository revision: 47070ed39eda524d334e5f82dc7f4a50b8d3252c Repository branch: master System Description: Trisquel GNU/Linux Etiona (9.0) Configured using: 'configure --with-gnutls=ifavailable 'CFLAGS=-g -O0'' Configured features: CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LIBOTF LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK2 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: RMAIL Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow emacsbug cl-print dired-x rect unrmail time-stamp smerge-mode diff vc vc-dispatcher texinfo texinfo-loaddefs eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe find-func shortdoc help-fns radix-tree novice two-column kmacro etags fileloop generator xref project ispell compare-w diff-mode easy-mmode cl-extra parse-time iso8601 vc-cvs mhtml-mode css-mode smie eww xdg url-queue mm-url gnus nnheader wid-edit color js imenu cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs sgml-mode facemenu mule-util format-spec battery dbus misearch multi-isearch epa-mail dabbrev rmailkwd rmailout quail help-mode jka-compr shell pcomplete thingatpt files-x grep compile comint ansi-color ring rmailsum mailalias shr kinsoku svg xml dom sendmail qp rmailmm message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa epg epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs t-mouse term/linux view derived paren cus-load advice finder-inf package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 640240 128758) (symbols 48 18299 8) (strings 32 81921 18767) (string-bytes 1 4331746) (vectors 16 47013) (vector-slots 8 1315534 161084) (floats 8 241 358) (intervals 56 91315 5202) (buffers 992 95)) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] bcc: rms-outgoing@HIDDEN Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49631; Package emacs.
Full text available.
GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham,
1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
1994-97 Ian Jackson.