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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
To: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#49734: 28.0.50; define-obsolete-variable-alias
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Devon Sean McCullough [2021-07-25 14:11:07] wrote:
> This change breaks existing libraries.
> Better to deprecate old forms for a few years
> rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos.
Fully, agreed. That's why the old form was made obsolete back in 2009,
so it can now be removed non-prematurely and without sowing chaos ;-)
Stefan
PS: Here's what the NEWS says about it:
** The WHEN argument of 'make-obsolete' and related functions is mandatory.
The use of those functions without a WHEN argument was marked obsolete
back in Emacs 23.1. The affected functions are: 'make-obsolete',
'define-obsolete-function-alias', 'make-obsolete-variable',
'define-obsolete-variable-alias'.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#49734; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 49734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jul 2021 18:26:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 26 14:26:36 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m85JE-0002KX-EZ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:26:36 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m85J8-0002KH-Ue for 49734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:26:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xDM0Q4nP6EiSGHEwMVuLlR9ygGLo2v/pRW0mYl+t1Ps=; b=aR3XeJfsyQghYMXPPt20mVX9Qa umvmGzo6BZbrTMpRDjd26VtErT/e1RE9OHh1xKpmk85N0rH84gY57btj6QhixgW/YKQq2mk+uWQHC /XyZ+adxuTeHfepe/OZ8RoqnuoAyC4zcs5f1pD/ZvHp7R+062jT9aAHt7mUSF6ht07oE=; Received: from 2.149.45.105.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.149.45.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1m85Iy-00088a-KO; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 20:26:23 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#49734: 28.0.50; define-obsolete-variable-alias References: <66274858-91ee-81fb-b157-d40c0fc0c676@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 20:26:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <66274858-91ee-81fb-b157-d40c0fc0c676@HIDDEN> (Devon Sean McCullough's message of "Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:11:07 -0400") Message-ID: <877dhddj91.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN> writes: > This change breaks existing libraries. > Better to deprecate old forms for a few years > rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49734 Cc: 49734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN> writes: > This change breaks existing libraries. > Better to deprecate old forms for a few years > rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos. [...] > -(defun make-obsolete-variable (obsolete-name current-name &optional when access-type) > +(defun make-obsolete-variable ( obsolete-name current-name when > + &optional access-type) Stefan? Looks like this change is causing problems... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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This change breaks existing libraries.
Better to deprecate old forms for a few years
rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos.
Peace
--Devon
P.S. Please undo this incompatible change:
--- emacs-27.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
+++ emacs-28.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
⋮
-(defun make-obsolete-variable (obsolete-name current-name &optional when access-type)
+(defun make-obsolete-variable ( obsolete-name current-name when
+ &optional access-type)
In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95))
of 2021-06-20 built on builder10-14.porkrind.org
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1671
System Description: Mac OS X 10.14.6
Configured using:
'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules'
Configured features:
ACL GMP GNUTLS JSON LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER THREADS
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS ZLIB
Important settings:
value of $LANG: en_BE@currency=USD.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
Major mode: ELisp/d
Minor modes in effect:
tooltip-mode: t
global-eldoc-mode: t
eldoc-mode: t
electric-indent-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Load-path shadows:
None found.
Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa
derived epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode
mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader
sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils
time-date warnings thingatpt browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util
url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs
password-cache json subr-x map seq gv url-vars mailcap byte-opt compile
text-property-search comint ansi-color ring bytecomp byte-compile cconv
dired-aux cl-loaddefs cl-lib dired dired-loaddefs iso-transl tooltip
eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel
term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd
fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment
text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic
cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao
korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue
cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 67763 8788)
(symbols 48 7652 1)
(strings 32 23129 1733)
(string-bytes 1 753985)
(vectors 16 14734)
(vector-slots 8 197384 12385)
(floats 8 26 332)
(intervals 56 398 0)
(buffers 992 18))
Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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