GNU bug report logs - #49734
28.0.50; define-obsolete-variable-alias

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Package: emacs; Severity: minor; Reported by: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN>; dated Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:12:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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Devon Sean McCullough [2021-07-25 14:11:07] wrote:
> This change breaks existing libraries.
> Better to deprecate old forms for a few years
> rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos.

Fully, agreed.  That's why the old form was made obsolete back in 2009,
so it can now be removed non-prematurely and without sowing chaos ;-)


        Stefan


PS: Here's what the NEWS says about it:

    ** The WHEN argument of 'make-obsolete' and related functions is mandatory.
    The use of those functions without a WHEN argument was marked obsolete
    back in Emacs 23.1.  The affected functions are: 'make-obsolete',
    'define-obsolete-function-alias', 'make-obsolete-variable',
    'define-obsolete-variable-alias'.





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Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN> writes:

> This change breaks existing libraries.
> Better to deprecate old forms for a few years
> rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos.

[...]

> -(defun make-obsolete-variable (obsolete-name current-name &optional when access-type)
> +(defun make-obsolete-variable ( obsolete-name current-name when
> +                                &optional access-type)

Stefan?  Looks like this change is causing problems...

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Devon Sean McCullough wrote:

> Better to deprecate old forms for a few years

Is 11 years enough time?

https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-diffs/2009-10/msg00032.html

For a less flippant answer, there was a byte compilation warning
intended here, but it seems like it may not have been working
for define-obsolete-variable-alias (unlike, say, make-obsolete-variable).




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Should read
--- old/byte-run.el	2021-01-28 12:52:37.000000000 -0500
+++ new/byte-run.el	2021-06-20 03:01:25.000000000 -0400
⋮
-(defmacro define-obsolete-variable-alias (obsolete-name current-name
-						 &optional when docstring)
+(defmacro define-obsolete-variable-alias ( obsolete-name current-name when
+                                           &optional docstring)




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This change breaks existing libraries.
Better to deprecate old forms for a few years
rather than gratuitously and prematurely sow chaos.

		Peace
			--Devon

P.S.  Please undo this incompatible change:

--- emacs-27.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
+++ emacs-28.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-run.el
⋮
-(defun make-obsolete-variable (obsolete-name current-name &optional when access-type)
+(defun make-obsolete-variable ( obsolete-name current-name when
+                                &optional access-type)

In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95))
  of 2021-06-20 built on builder10-14.porkrind.org
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1671
System Description:  Mac OS X 10.14.6

Configured using:
  'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
  Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
  Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules'

Configured features:
ACL GMP GNUTLS JSON LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER THREADS
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS ZLIB

Important settings:
   value of $LANG: en_BE@currency=USD.UTF-8
   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: ELisp/d

Minor modes in effect:
   tooltip-mode: t
   global-eldoc-mode: t
   eldoc-mode: t
   electric-indent-mode: t
   mouse-wheel-mode: t
   tool-bar-mode: t
   menu-bar-mode: t
   file-name-shadow-mode: t
   global-font-lock-mode: t
   font-lock-mode: t
   blink-cursor-mode: t
   auto-composition-mode: t
   auto-encryption-mode: t
   auto-compression-mode: t
   line-number-mode: t
   transient-mark-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa
derived epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode
mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader
sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils
time-date warnings thingatpt browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util
url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs
password-cache json subr-x map seq gv url-vars mailcap byte-opt compile
text-property-search comint ansi-color ring bytecomp byte-compile cconv
dired-aux cl-loaddefs cl-lib dired dired-loaddefs iso-transl tooltip
eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel
term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd
fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment
text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic
cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao
korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue
cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 67763 8788)
  (symbols 48 7652 1)
  (strings 32 23129 1733)
  (string-bytes 1 753985)
  (vectors 16 14734)
  (vector-slots 8 197384 12385)
  (floats 8 26 332)
  (intervals 56 398 0)
  (buffers 992 18))




Acknowledgement sent to Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2020@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#49734; Package emacs. Full text available.
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