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28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar

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Package: emacs; Reported by: sds@HIDDEN; Keywords: moreinfo; dated Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:07:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Sam,

> 1. `default-directory' should have a global default, see above

It has. It is nil, and there's nothing wrong with it.

> 2. new buffers should inherit `default-directory' from the global
> default instead of the previous buffer from which this one was created.

No. This would break many packages.

Show us the Tramp traces if calendar is called from a remote buffer. We
might be able to fix it.

> Thank you!

Best regards, Michael.




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> * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 17:26:45 +0000]:
>
>>> But as Michael said you should probably not use nil.
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean, could you please clarify?
>>
>
> The docstring says "it should be an absolute directory name", and nil
> is not an absolute directory name =F0=9F=98=89

Ah, right, the initial global value of `default-directory' is nil, but I do

(setq-default default-directory (expand-file-name "~/"))

>> ... mostly because I was still hoping for a fix in Emacs ;-(
>
> It's not clear to me what the "fix" would be here, can you explain
> what you have in mind?

1. `default-directory' should have a global default, see above
2. new buffers should inherit `default-directory' from the global
default instead of the previous buffer from which this one was created.

Thank you!

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> Cc: 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:13:50 -0400
> 
> > * Sam Steingold <fqf@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 12:56:39 -0400]:
> >
> > Wow, thanks Gregory, didn't even think about it.
> 
> ... mostly because I was still hoping for a fix in Emacs ;-(

I thought Michael asked for additional data to be collected, so he
could look into this issue?




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>
> 1. This hook seems to be called far too often; but I do not see a=20
> `create-buffer-hook' - any reason for that? (there is a=20
> `kill-buffer-hook')
>

It's not clear when such a hook would have to run I think.

>
> 2. It appears that I can use (current-buffer) instead of (car=20
> (buffer-list))
>

Yes, that's another possibility indeed.

>> But as Michael said you should probably not use nil.
>
> I am not sure what you mean, could you please clarify?
>

The docstring says "it should be an absolute directory name", and nil is=20
not an absolute directory name =F0=9F=98=89

>
> ... mostly because I was still hoping for a fix in Emacs ;-(
>

It's not clear to me what the "fix" would be here, can you explain what=20
you have in mind?
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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 12:56:39 -0400]:
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> Wow, thanks Gregory, didn't even think about it.

... mostly because I was still hoping for a fix in Emacs ;-(

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> * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 15:02:04 +0000]:
>
>> calendar is far from being the only problem.
>
> That wasn't clear from the bug title and the discussion.

I am pretty sure I mentioned this a few time here and elsewhere but you
don't have to track my pet peeves ;-)

>>
>> I run this:
>>
>> (dolist (b (buffer-list))
>>  (with-current-buffer b
>>    (when (and (null buffer-file-name)
>>               (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
>>               (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name)))
>>               (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p))
>>      (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
>>               b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory)
>>      (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
>>      )))
>>
>> every now and then.
>>
>
> I think you can achieve a similar effect automatically, by adding a
> function in buffer-list-update-hook that does the above on the first
> element of buffer-list.

Wow, thanks Gregory, didn't even think about it.

1. This hook seems to be called far too often; but I do not see a
`create-buffer-hook' - any reason for that? (there is a
`kill-buffer-hook')

2. It appears that I can use (current-buffer) instead of (car
(buffer-list))


> But as Michael said you should probably not use nil.

I am not sure what you mean, could you please clarify?

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>
> calendar is far from being the only problem.
>

That wasn't clear from the bug title and the discussion.

>
> I run this:
>
> (dolist (b (buffer-list))
>  (with-current-buffer b
>    (when (and (null buffer-file-name)
>               (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
>               (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name)))
>               (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p))
>      (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
>               b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory)
>      (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
>      )))
>
> every now and then.
>

I think you can achieve a similar effect automatically, by adding a 
function in buffer-list-update-hook that does the above on the first 
element of buffer-list.  But as Michael said you should probably not use 
nil.




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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Sam,

> (dolist (b (buffer-list))
>   (with-current-buffer b
>     (when (and (null buffer-file-name)
>                (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
>                (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name)))
>                (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p))
>       (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
>                b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory)
>       (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
>       )))

This works by sheer luck then. `default-directory' must not be nil; it
is fundamental that it is a string.

That code makes other packages useless for remote buffers, like shell or
compile. This cannot be the solution.

Best regards, Michael.




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> * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 10:04:57 +0000]:
>
>>
>> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, then I
>> think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
>>
>
> Or to use this, for example:
>
> (advice-add
>  'calendar :around
>  (lambda (fun &rest args)
>    (let ((default-directory
> 	  (if (file-remote-p default-directory)
> 	      "~/"
> 	    default-directory)))
>      (apply fun args))))

calendar is far from being the only problem.
I run this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(dolist (b (buffer-list))
  (with-current-buffer b
    (when (and (null buffer-file-name)
               (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
               (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name)))
               (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p))
      (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
               b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory)
      (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
      )))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

every now and then.

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Sam,

>> I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're
>> not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose
>> for `default-directory'?  "~/"?  "/"?
>
> (default-value 'default-directory)

This is nil. `default-directory' has only buffer-local values.

>> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you,
>> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
>
> 1. calendar is not the only non-file-connected buffer

Sure. But we have catched similar errors in other packages already. And
fixed them.

> 2. when calendar is called from midnight-hook, I cannot select which
> buffer calendar starts in.

Yes. So let Tramp catch the traces, setting tramp-verbose to 10.

Best regards, Michael.




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> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 11:41:48 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite
>> reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories),
>> it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random.
>
> It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't
> think that's something we could do in general.

;-(

> I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're
> not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose
> for `default-directory'?  "~/"?  "/"?

(default-value 'default-directory)

> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you,
> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.

1. calendar is not the only non-file-connected buffer
2. when calendar is called from midnight-hook, I cannot select which
buffer calendar starts in.

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>
> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, 
> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
>

Or to use this, for example:

(advice-add
  'calendar :around
  (lambda (fun &rest args)
    (let ((default-directory
 	  (if (file-remote-p default-directory)
 	      "~/"
 	    default-directory)))
      (apply fun args))))




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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

>> `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite
>> reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories),
>> it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random.
>
> It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't
> think that's something we could do in general.
>
> I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're
> not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose
> for `default-directory'?  "~/"?  "/"?

I agree.

> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you,
> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.

If the problem is reproducible, we shall catch it. Set tramp-verbose to
10. Next morning, when the Tramp problem has appeared, the Tramp debug
buffer shall tell us what happened. Please show the buffer.

Best regards, Michael.




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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite
> reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories),
> it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random.

It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't
think that's something we could do in general.

I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're
not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose
for `default-directory'?  "~/"?  "/"?

If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you,
then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.




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> * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-15 12:36:00 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> _However_, I just called calendar from a Tramp buffer and the *Calendar*
>> buffer's `default-directory' is a tramp directory.
>>
>> I don't think this is right.
>
> I think it's common behavior.  Does it cause trouble?

Yes.

Local disk access is fast compared to Tramp (that may take forever and
then actually fail). Thus a simple C-x C-f from a buffer with a remote
`default-directory' can become a nightmare - before I even see the
prompt.

`default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite
reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories),
it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random.

Thank you!

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> _However_, I just called calendar from a Tramp buffer and the *Calendar*
> buffer's `default-directory' is a tramp directory.
>
> I don't think this is right.

I think it's common behavior.  Does it cause trouble?

Michael.




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> * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-14 04:54:36 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t.
>> So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the
>> *Backtrace* first thing in the morning.
>
> I didn't know that you got an error.

Sorry, the original message was indeed unclear on that.

> And you can still reproduce the problem?

Alas, I have not seen this for quite some time.
I don't even recall _when_ the problem went away.
All I remember is that I saw it for a while, reported the bug, did
nothing specifically to correct the issue, and then it went away after
some time.

> Then you could try to use the calendar before midnight and see if that
> prevents that error at midnight.  If it doesn't, my autoload theory
> would be wrong.

I do use calendar regularly, but I have not seen this recently.

_However_, I just called calendar from a Tramp buffer and the *Calendar*
buffer's `default-directory' is a tramp directory.

I don't think this is right.

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t.
> So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the
> *Backtrace* first thing in the morning.

I didn't know that you got an error.

And you can still reproduce the problem?  Then you could try to use the
calendar before midnight and see if that prevents that error at
midnight.  If it doesn't, my autoload theory would be wrong.

Michael.




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> * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-13 04:14:24 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> I have calendar in midnight-hook, so I came to this backtrace in the
>> morning.
>
> Yes thanks - but I wanted to know how you had obtained the backtrace,
> that would help for the analysis.  M-x debug-on-entry [what function?],
> or something else?  Can you maybe try to produce that backtrace again?

I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t.
So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the
*Backtrace* first thing in the morning.

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> I have calendar in midnight-hook, so I came to this backtrace in the
> morning.

Yes thanks - but I wanted to know how you had obtained the backtrace,
that would help for the analysis.  M-x debug-on-entry [what function?],
or something else?  Can you maybe try to produce that backtrace again?

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> * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-08-24 01:09:44 +0200]:
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> The OP didn't tell us how he produced his backtrace (do you maybe
> recall, Sam?).

I have calendar in midnight-hook, so I came to this backtrace in the
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

>   tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
>   tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
>   tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "mule-util" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
>   truncate-string-to-width(#("<     Calendar     ? info / o other /
>   calendar-string-spread((#("<" 0 1 (help-echo "mouse-1: previous m
>   calendar-update-mode-line()
>   calendar-mode()
>   calendar-basic-setup(nil)
>   calendar()
>   eval((calendar) nil)

Could be that the backtraces just show different moments in autoloading
progress.  AFAIK `tramp-file-name-handler' is called very often.  Maybe
there is also some caching mechanism involved or something like that and
the first `tramp-file-name-handler' call depends on what you did before
- I don't know.

The OP didn't tell us how he produced his backtrace (do you maybe
recall, Sam?).

Michael.




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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:

> And we see in the backtrace that `calendar-basic-setup' is not done.
> And why else should a call of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' directly
> invoke tramp?  If an Elisp function would be involved, it would appear
> in the backtrace.

I don't quite understand what you mean.

If you

(debug-on-entry 'tramp-file-name-handler)
(push "/ssh:host:/tmp/" load-path)

and then do something that will trigger an autoload, you get a backtrace
like that (depending on what it's autoloading):

  tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
  tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
  tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "mule-util" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
  truncate-string-to-width(#("<     Calendar     ? info / o other /
  calendar-string-spread((#("<" 0 1 (help-echo "mouse-1: previous m
  calendar-update-mode-line()
  calendar-mode()
  calendar-basic-setup(nil)
  calendar()
  eval((calendar) nil)

Here's it's calling truncate-string-to-width (which is autoloaded from
mule-utils).




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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> The backtrace shows that Emacs was trying to load cal-move.so, and
> that's presumably something that Emacs tries to do when resolving the
> `autoload' definition of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date', I think?
> (If I remember correctly, Emacs looks for all of so/elc/el, if Emacs is
> built with module support, when doing a `require'/`autoload' lookup.)

".so" is the first prefix in the return value of (get-load-suffixes) for
me - so it is tried first.

And we see in the backtrace that `calendar-basic-setup' is not done.
And why else should a call of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' directly
invoke tramp?  If an Elisp function would be involved, it would appear
in the backtrace.

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

> I don't believe it is a load-path issue. calendar-cursor-to-visible-date
> is declared in cal-loaddefs.el (it has the ;;;###cal-autoload cookie),
> and this loaddefs file is loaded when loading calendar.el.
>
> That has been finished already, when calendar-basic-setup is applied.

Yes, cal-loaddefs had been loaded.  

> The question is rather: what is cal-move.so, and how and why is it
> checked for readability? In the directory emacs/lisp/calendar I cannot
> find any use of this file.

The backtrace shows that Emacs was trying to load cal-move.so, and
that's presumably something that Emacs tries to do when resolving the
`autoload' definition of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date', I think?
(If I remember correctly, Emacs looks for all of so/elc/el, if Emacs is
built with module support, when doing a `require'/`autoload' lookup.)





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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Lars,

>> I get this trace:
>>
>>   tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so")
>>   calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021))
>>   calendar-generate-window(8 2021)
>>   calendar-basic-setup(nil)
>>   calendar()
>>   run-hooks(midnight-hook)
>>   apply(run-hooks midnight-hook)
>>   timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-hook) nil 0])
>
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
> at the time.)
>
> calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's
> happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and
> looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/".
>
> Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance?

I don't believe it is a load-path issue. calendar-cursor-to-visible-date
is declared in cal-loaddefs.el (it has the ;;;###cal-autoload cookie),
and this loaddefs file is loaded when loading calendar.el.

That has been finished already, when calendar-basic-setup is applied.

The question is rather: what is cal-move.so, and how and why is it
checked for readability? In the directory emacs/lisp/calendar I cannot
find any use of this file.

Best regards, Michael.




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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> At any rate, I never add either "." or nil to `load-path`.

There are multiple ways why such an entry could have been added there -
it must not even have been you.

But if the load-path theory is wrong, I have no clue what was going on
without a reproducer.  The backtrace seems to clearly hint at
autoloading going on.

Michael.




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At any rate, I never add either "." or nil to `load-path`.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 at 23:25, Michael Heerdegen
<michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Not really: your backtrace very much looks like the function
> `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' was autoloaded.  Autoloads don't
> contain complete paths, they only contain relative file names.  So the
> `load-path' is searched, and if "." or nil is at the beginning, the
> default-directory is searched first.  Else the standard file would have
> been found before default-directory is touched.  Quite plausible that
> this is what you saw.

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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> >> (because `.' is a part of `load-path'
> >
> > Ok, but it's not there by default, right?
>
> I have no idea why it was there (it is not there now!)
> I am not even sure if it was there then.
> My only point is that disk access triggered from a buffer with a tramp
> `default-directory' results in tramp being activated and trying to
> touch the remote.
> Dunno why.
> My theory was `load-path', looks like I was wrong.

Not really: your backtrace very much looks like the function
`calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' was autoloaded.  Autoloads don't
contain complete paths, they only contain relative file names.  So the
`load-path' is searched, and if "." or nil is at the beginning, the
default-directory is searched first.  Else the standard file would have
been found before default-directory is touched.  Quite plausible that
this is what you saw.

Michael.




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> * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-08-23 04:18:23 +0200]:
>
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> (because `.' is a part of `load-path'
>
> Ok, but it's not there by default, right?

I have no idea why it was there (it is not there now!)
I am not even sure if it was there then.
My only point is that disk access triggered from a buffer with a tramp
`default-directory' results in tramp being activated and trying to
touch the remote.
Dunno why.
My theory was `load-path', looks like I was wrong.


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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> (because `.' is a part of `load-path'

Ok, but it's not there by default, right?

> so it is resolved against the tramp `default-directory').
>
> Maybe a solution is to _never_ inherit `default-directory' unless
> there is a _reason_ for that.  E.g., `*vc-diff*' should not inherit
> `default-directory' from `*vc*' implicitly, but by an explicit action.
> However, this will break so much existing code that you wouldn't even
> consider that.
> On the other hand, "explicitly non-file" modes (like, e.g., `*Custom*'
> or `*Help*') should probably reset `default-directory'.

What you suggest would at least partly reverse the effect of having
default-directory in load-path.  Maybe you should just remove it?

Michael.




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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> > calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's
> > happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and
> > looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/".
> >
> > Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance?
>
> I don't think so.
>
> I suspect that this is a part of the pattern I still observe when tramp
> paths seep into `default-directory' in irrelevant buffers.

If you had `nil' in your `load-path' - that stands for the
`default-directory'.

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> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2022-08-22 16:28:38 +0200]:
>
> Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I get this trace:
>>
>>   tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Re=
sources/site-lisp/cal-move.so")
>>   calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021))
>>   calendar-generate-window(8 2021)
>>   calendar-basic-setup(nil)
>>   calendar()
>>   run-hooks(midnight-hook)
>>   apply(run-hooks midnight-hook)
>>   timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-ho=
ok) nil 0])
>
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
> at the time.)

Very nice of you, but, alas, I have no way to reliably reproduce it now.

> calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's
> happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and
> looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/".
>
> Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance?

I don't think so.

I suspect that this is a part of the pattern I still observe when tramp
paths seep into `default-directory' in irrelevant buffers.

Basically, if I create a non-file buffer `*NFB*' (e.g., by calling
`list-packages' or `gnus') while inside a tramp buffer, the buffer `*NFB*'
inherits `default-directory' from the tramp buffer (unless a special
action is taken, like by `gnus'!) so when a future action involving disk
access is initiated from `*NFB*' (e.g., when `midnight-hook' autoloads
something), the file system local to `*NFB*' is checked first (because
`.' is a part of `load-path' so it is resolved against the tramp
`default-directory').

Maybe a solution is to _never_ inherit `default-directory' unless
there is a _reason_ for that.  E.g., `*vc-diff*' should not inherit
`default-directory' from `*vc*' implicitly, but by an explicit action.
However, this will break so much existing code that you wouldn't even
consider that.
On the other hand, "explicitly non-file" modes (like, e.g., `*Custom*'
or `*Help*') should probably reset `default-directory'.

I now evaluate this

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(dolist (b (buffer-list))
  (with-current-buffer b
    (when (and (null buffer-file-name)
               (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
               (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-=
name)))
               (tramp-tramp-file-p default-directory))
      (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
               b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-direc=
tory)
      (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
      )))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

whenever I have any trouble with tramp, and, e.g., today I saw

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in  *Minibuf-1*(nil) from /scp:re=
mote:/home/sds/
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in *Custom Themes*(nil) from /scp=
:remote:/home/sds/
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in  *eldoc for line-move-visual*(=
nil) from /scp:remote:/home/sds/
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Thank you very much for your attention.

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Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:

> I get this trace:
>
>   tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so")
>   calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021))
>   calendar-generate-window(8 2021)
>   calendar-basic-setup(nil)
>   calendar()
>   run-hooks(midnight-hook)
>   apply(run-hooks midnight-hook)
>   timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-hook) nil 0])

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
at the time.)

calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's
happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and
looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/".

Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance?





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I get this trace:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
  tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so")
  calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021))
  calendar-generate-window(8 2021)
  calendar-basic-setup(nil)
  calendar()
  run-hooks(midnight-hook)
  apply(run-hooks midnight-hook)
  timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-hook) nil 0])
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

I do have a file "/scp:remote:/path/foo/bar/baz.py" open.
"remote" is not accessible because the VPN is down.
"/scp:remote:/path/" is the location of the .git directory for baz.py.
"remote" is linux, localhost is mac. of course there is no
Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so on "remote".
How come "calendar" calls "tramp"?
when I click on the function name in *Backtrace* to get to the source
code, tramp is called and I get an infinite loop of
"Tramp: Opening connection nil for remote using scp...failed"
I have to C-g and M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections to get back to editing.


In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 5, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1323))
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