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It is nil, and there's nothing wrong with it. > 2. new buffers should inherit `default-directory' from the global > default instead of the previous buffer from which this one was created. No. This would break many packages. Show us the Tramp traces if calendar is called from a remote buffer. We might be able to fix it. > Thank you! Best regards, Michael.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 14:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: <lzczbvnooq.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 17:26:45 +0000]: > >>> But as Michael said you should probably not use nil. >> >> I am not sure what you mean, could you please clarify? >> > > The docstring says "it should be an absolute directory name", and nil > is not an absolute directory name =F0=9F=98=89 Ah, right, the initial global value of `default-directory' is nil, but I do (setq-default default-directory (expand-file-name "~/")) >> ... mostly because I was still hoping for a fix in Emacs ;-( > > It's not clear to me what the "fix" would be here, can you explain > what you have in mind? 1. `default-directory' should have a global default, see above 2. new buffers should inherit `default-directory' from the global default instead of the previous buffer from which this one was created. 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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:56:39 -0400 Message-ID: <lzleqjntq0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 15:02:04 +0000]: > >> calendar is far from being the only problem. > > That wasn't clear from the bug title and the discussion. I am pretty sure I mentioned this a few time here and elsewhere but you don't have to track my pet peeves ;-) >> >> I run this: >> >> (dolist (b (buffer-list)) >> (with-current-buffer b >> (when (and (null buffer-file-name) >> (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode)) >> (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name))) >> (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p)) >> (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s" >> b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory) >> (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory)) >> ))) >> >> every now and then. >> > > I think you can achieve a similar effect automatically, by adding a > function in buffer-list-update-hook that does the above on the first > element of buffer-list. Wow, thanks Gregory, didn't even think about it. 1. This hook seems to be called far too often; but I do not see a `create-buffer-hook' - any reason for that? (there is a `kill-buffer-hook') 2. It appears that I can use (current-buffer) instead of (car (buffer-list)) > But as Michael said you should probably not use nil. I am not sure what you mean, could you please clarify? -- Sam Steingold (https://aphar.dreamwidth.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 https://lastingimpactpsychology.com https://steingoldpsychology.com https://www.dhimmitude.org https://jihadwatch.org https://camera.org Time would have been the best Teacher, if it did not kill all its students.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2022 15:02:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 16 11:02:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43948 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oZCr5-0001sH-BI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:02:11 -0400 Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:44536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <gregory@HIDDEN>) id 1oZCr0-0001s4-Hd for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:02:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1663340525; bh=O1MVlXKQ4Na56M5VNhIt7wVXExpQ5DcosWGq0F/eB+w=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=T2k41NU2EHpXPKv67KzQrsIEfBFxou2WZBoaeUjXquZnJcdWC0i3bf6ht6Hgqrdwb i1Uw1+dWF8MHbxGP9CAj9rwYrXxyi2wk3asg6Vba2KhKkO1RJIiXGT8TeRQ+PX8Ctz Etm2oMHaHNdVUlGcbgdZLBGYcHYa6HJn675lEFadX0BrJuJ7NZZ+lgStKHGaFagocI q2EwDh1Kzv8it26CPTx9k0MAOnemlIG7fkgILklLGwlS8U2KHtPeUbhyxNxYvbqAxW 7D5T/IM60khn0ufwGhz0yQQzgUniVxihvzOKCRuOmSSrL0UI90P8Y9wKKMxOmWnxET H9ZNYb5i7bJwg== Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:02:04 +0000 From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@HIDDEN> To: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <lzpmfvo0f9.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <84acc36e7efa2b0eeac7@HIDDEN> References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06yrcwb.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yiirc61.fsf@HIDDEN> <877d2yimkn.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzfsgwmns1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leqoaum7.fsf@HIDDEN> <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkrifyxf.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzv8pp3htn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7vg6i27.fsf@HIDDEN> <lza670r544.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtazy7tv.fsf@HIDDEN> <84acc36e7efb942eafdd@HIDDEN> <lzpmfvo0f9.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > calendar is far from being the only problem. > That wasn't clear from the bug title and the discussion. > > I run this: > > (dolist (b (buffer-list)) > (with-current-buffer b > (when (and (null buffer-file-name) > (not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode)) > (not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name))) > (find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p)) > (message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s" > b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory) > (setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory)) > ))) > > every now and then. > I think you can achieve a similar effect automatically, by adding a function in buffer-list-update-hook that does the above on the first element of buffer-list. But as Michael said you should probably not use nil.
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it is fundamental that it is a string. That code makes other packages useless for remote buffers, like shell or compile. This cannot be the solution. Best regards, Michael.
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> * Gregory Heytings <tertbel@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 10:04:57 +0000]:
>
>>
>> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, then I
>> think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
>>
>
> Or to use this, for example:
>
> (advice-add
> 'calendar :around
> (lambda (fun &rest args)
> (let ((default-directory
> (if (file-remote-p default-directory)
> "~/"
> default-directory)))
> (apply fun args))))
calendar is far from being the only problem.
I run this:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(dolist (b (buffer-list))
(with-current-buffer b
(when (and (null buffer-file-name)
(not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
(not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-name)))
(find-file-name-handler default-directory 'file-remote-p))
(message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-directory)
(setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
every now and then.
--
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"~/"? "/"? > > (default-value 'default-directory) This is nil. `default-directory' has only buffer-local values. >> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, >> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid. > > 1. calendar is not the only non-file-connected buffer Sure. But we have catched similar errors in other packages already. And fixed them. > 2. when calendar is called from midnight-hook, I cannot select which > buffer calendar starts in. Yes. So let Tramp catch the traces, setting tramp-verbose to 10. Best regards, Michael.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:25:56 -0400 Message-ID: <lztu57o0p7.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2022-09-16 11:41:48 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite >> reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories), >> it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random. > > It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't > think that's something we could do in general. ;-( > I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're > not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose > for `default-directory'? "~/"? "/"? (default-value 'default-directory) > If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, > then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid. 1. calendar is not the only non-file-connected buffer 2. when calendar is called from midnight-hook, I cannot select which buffer calendar starts in. -- Sam Steingold (https://aphar.dreamwidth.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 https://lastingimpactpsychology.com https://steingoldpsychology.com https://www.peaceandtolerance.org/ https://honestreporting.com Isn't "Microsoft Works" an advertisement lie?
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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@HIDDEN>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar
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> If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you,
> then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
>
Or to use this, for example:
(advice-add
'calendar :around
(lambda (fun &rest args)
(let ((default-directory
(if (file-remote-p default-directory)
"~/"
default-directory)))
(apply fun args))))
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Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:48:31 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <87mtazy7tv.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:41:48 +0200") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06yrcwb.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yiirc61.fsf@HIDDEN> <877d2yimkn.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzfsgwmns1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leqoaum7.fsf@HIDDEN> <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkrifyxf.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzv8pp3htn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7vg6i27.fsf@HIDDEN> <lza670r544.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtazy7tv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:48:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87edwbir9u.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:dEpDPIGI7nPYif9oGE30KzC9KIU7cGn4aAARkpTngm5FQYUjoKt lQQOxp5UkqehyQ5VX1Iyto7BDfDlz7+wIdKD8v5/HI3IGJvDuY5W85ekeegkxqDin40xADg Cy60V9q6XzSNC1pKB+1FqFLoZ6rhjqxc9Z8OJYA+bzNEfjFxNs6onpmMxTiepmqcwHAxk1G +ciofihDx0iGNQlwNdyxQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:v616uw83TKk=:NzriihI8WJp50LdzmDv74F BS/JqZI4p119H4KMdrsT/fMfA3/2JQnpAEQrIwmO3Hg850MI2ySFAyfe7iFCrH8o6THzHdMPD IgGMB0RYlgQS+wX3V7aLUOv1jFWsOAm6sGV6ocrRTlJTc9Mr2FLuGFJ11kuCqjWWoThaI/Xig 3dmm3e8yVxoFSPsXT8cNMHudQx0WVbTXbcB91QjhN633Ag0sDr2OSqqBu4CgDURbsdULxS6Fx oeTcTz2aGJHTZ/kI97UILQ3KSGkB0igw2mpAb1VFFsr86Kgt060p37R0OXnZ73HKAqy3m/nxk T0rOnaTNO5qGkVPKseFPb02jlvG3zDgKJSiAOMVcaNpiJy2NNReI0p9iYSvTdUqQZcbsJS6SE 7o06Czx1jBrOtbTQwA/6g5DGaOnVavHRpK/Sj27/EIn/rT+8GdYoOPp/+cygndNU+xM1uqbVM DxHZDJ1mTG4oxU/xsTJOPFlG9s9f0SzbH7JBPNNOWZaNcG1Cjxc5VHdMSuofXHzZLBlJ/LLl6 4fE5rIP3odr9/2K/LJYptzun67/zhUWkLSTeKtwQRO7/qRq9TXJH/UYe/hvLgDHNrOq/ioUO4 ++0qO3BNBEcFCvnSaRi4aBYkrrfgoZSYWS3XGD4fes8JQ1edU3ZoqH2+yv0w33wNyFZWFAqy8 pLMMjI2pOaKVS4F1e74bSmShxW7CD0GiPM8SbX8/gKtIAsCvHJSRsy+KVCfVb9R6FidtQ2ROM E8VU4scWv6cVzCHHa3Vcb6TJFEDSihlkFoBPAnDrP8xB4jYT5BbEFeLtOGeomJLDONujkgwXa D2p0zKmNm7JQdnRSrgNA9L8uRxcg6ZFFKqM20vwFo2n7jhAVH4aKXSBKJ4NO9bBup8s1bTOuz CC5yk0qA8qIjmeuW9dH8TJpQd1K+MVRFliC8ZqNm5OqLADSbhQuzpkyohZek06/S7VT12+sWq VHnQp4lD/RVWXLqwk0cVsDaGVSBY/Z/xuaSwx3ysUU3oVA/KjYUPY7PjypgSt57ZYllAfIE8R 9lSryiXq3HpgNGaN8XgqWnPctYB6i56wjU+UdoLQ+ZRBf0bnu10RQlFek9hZ+bUBDS+d39pre ldAX7e0VXuAS6PbtnL79TuGsjAGHJVOqeD8O7NWaw9jFkRx7G0y9stxHzQkXcRmrTnXVa2om7 SCMFrtVW0snxw0RYbejoyYognB X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >> `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite >> reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories), >> it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random. > > It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't > think that's something we could do in general. > > I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're > not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose > for `default-directory'? "~/"? "/"? I agree. > If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, > then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid. If the problem is reproducible, we shall catch it. Set tramp-verbose to 10. Next morning, when the Tramp problem has appeared, the Tramp debug buffer shall tell us what happened. Please show the buffer. Best regards, Michael.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite > reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories), > it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random. 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It would be a break with how Emacs has worked for decades, so I don't think that's something we could do in general. I'm not even sure we could provide a user option for this -- if we're not using the normal default directory here, which one should we choose for `default-directory'? "~/"? "/"? If starting calendar while in a Tramp buffer is problematic for you, then I think the solution is to not do that, I'm afraid.
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 12:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <lza670r544.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-15 12:36:00 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> _However_, I just called calendar from a Tramp buffer and the *Calendar* >> buffer's `default-directory' is a tramp directory. >> >> I don't think this is right. > > I think it's common behavior. Does it cause trouble? Yes. Local disk access is fast compared to Tramp (that may take forever and then actually fail). Thus a simple C-x C-f from a buffer with a remote `default-directory' can become a nightmare - before I even see the prompt. `default-directory' should be remote only when there is a definite reason for that (IOW, for remote files and directories), it should not be inherited by non-file buffers at random. Thank you! -- Sam Steingold (https://aphar.dreamwidth.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 https://lastingimpactpsychology.com https://steingoldpsychology.com https://ij.org/ https://honestreporting.com https://www.peaceandtolerance.org/ Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a nice rock.
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[71.125.32.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bm29-20020a05620a199d00b006bb11f9a859sm2412319qkb.122.2022.09.14.11.57.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <87bkrifyxf.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:54:36 +0200") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06yrcwb.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yiirc61.fsf@HIDDEN> <877d2yimkn.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzfsgwmns1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leqoaum7.fsf@HIDDEN> <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkrifyxf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <lzv8pp3htn.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-14 04:54:36 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t. >> So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the >> *Backtrace* first thing in the morning. > > I didn't know that you got an error. Sorry, the original message was indeed unclear on that. > And you can still reproduce the problem? Alas, I have not seen this for quite some time. I don't even recall _when_ the problem went away. All I remember is that I saw it for a while, reported the bug, did nothing specifically to correct the issue, and then it went away after some time. > Then you could try to use the calendar before midnight and see if that > prevents that error at midnight. If it doesn't, my autoload theory > would be wrong. I do use calendar regularly, but I have not seen this recently. _However_, I just called calendar from a Tramp buffer and the *Calendar* buffer's `default-directory' is a tramp directory. I don't think this is right. -- Sam Steingold (https://aphar.dreamwidth.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 https://lastingimpactpsychology.com https://steingoldpsychology.com https://iris.org.il https://honestreporting.com https://jihadwatch.org A good programmer: language change is easy, editor change is ... huh?!
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2022 02:54:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 13 22:54:50 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oYIY6-0003Ho-Fp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 22:54:50 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:39301) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1oYIY4-0003HY-NP for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 22:54:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1663124082; bh=4q4XdZ3HyspaCupFLygi0TbVw4X31l+KFsGSWeI7LWM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=Yy5I9bU7UD84OU9ra0zMIV9D8ge8vEG2I1PcKG0NUX3WtbK5Wmovyd42G9E/aId7x iDfvpZpECfCMP8HZXVJw5yi3AopfKIyIQ6zHMdUh2NRvpZPZO+4qnJHsNVzVdEed51 czUt0wn7RR4lZmQ+kZJRu9tyR19AipWzgBqAH+gU= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.190.67]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mvspv-1pQXf43XHz-00slJO; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:54:41 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:29:36 -0400") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06yrcwb.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yiirc61.fsf@HIDDEN> <877d2yimkn.fsf@HIDDEN> <lzfsgwmns1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leqoaum7.fsf@HIDDEN> <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:54:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87bkrifyxf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:p6FUAgdTMkNF1ZYP7NsG0xD1648NaS8ipAVJyLpSpeKVc4/IFRi BLSIgkxkrD/Ei71t09OxZjbuqMB7uGgpZkfnUn0axE+D2vLwzGdfu4kC2fT5a7NHb9mZbXB +sor9I43wgwqjeRyNouND4W3xeo+NGtjb4+xndX2Oii4CpHe+adCB4VKV3Uhs3Q6tvISreJ 4fhQ0AVlg+9EWSRcOqMlQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:90H+A59QNE0=:Hlf0crSznaF9f4j20fu6G0 +vuohlOXi4CoMwsx6wohUh4GuPmqIgc7g6YREoW/FdMO7xnOg2a/6NsPBh3tNnP3tqgZAtd00 QALDZlBglg5tA2ACp3bWDDX1x8QvJJmqelJGQAk3jJV21ZUIu1Xk69nFLLunI2OVPebzW/h5k odf9GmwyZ3ITJL6dToHZtl6TMehm7DY6c7miWlsS52DgZwVtrykaz+YJxViQiUrEo7MeBl0gU IJTni94EuCpKuiwuy8x7yHvIGN63XYcjIGBWT2/wk6kE5/NbMAi+Ts1EWMQXUES6I2NQpxgYQ qK+m4BlI9iPvRApyySIdLdepnTmvSFVBNByGu7uDnjg2FDJllql34vN6KJSp8Pv+ATslBmKoH xD2BPlmER3piIYONyrsDElbaANuHhaHB1X6zMO7MU5rHuQlIOMO32/TWhFIc3Y24tf3PyqUJU sIz586VWl5wftSMBS2x0dr6cFpxy2RWjMyxGqwjDyun4248ZDbMM6MozCVmAiiz+67BeJiXCE otOdj7pnxAv448cJnXX7lu14tCU4puOa7cGc7NMbp8mgEVY+PlQmw0jiQxLMkmK/cRJtDrgTb 1nJDtPR1OU1H7wILR84hYzhN5Rtg1mhTxFgIwiZqzjm/vItfkbnih219LJFT9hc+4M1+ugTLy ynRLZnMDt48kuJFZ4iG/FDMBupXbD7in8BvtGvx9mA2nmhu+IuIXmdI2PrZRyLH6Yp4peIIcy qxB8Dx+JNC2bWcuq8KYWU8rdHjTlYAZDHd+cLBPQ1G4fyRFQ3okZd0i6/3Y2XgbzyLI7FMjKY lyjp8ml+TkvsLO3Ot6BfSGqKspsGvhUVvQJds931N+Zkpptrmpm5gtIaQqKfCziSXKANSwm56 3F5ixXMmuJTCBlgNMgEDwTpb+kjOKaxyVnpnDi/hDUtsS+qOyDIOwYDlcaMjlukW89VF8nfPb rQTOWl33T+OkE9QT1NrBbZS+5mdZjQ/fDDWFtyExGHMntO2f7ZLIqcupMyCI5kmzoqmW1eH3l MW188176/qCPVQdp/rRnPOS9SJp2nW42eAlitOr154F3pWZ40yUc6cWYcNvc1awjfWh5RIdM0 Oh0GqeeZWnPDXbe7+Kun/RW9W3t8FZl8fSfQgYF6wCTeLVCIe8alve5oT0ZYHXpMVVpKaPDZJ 3SjZiggRYVo2hkgn0a8irPJEaC X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t. > So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the > *Backtrace* first thing in the morning. I didn't know that you got an error. And you can still reproduce the problem? Then you could try to use the calendar before midnight and see if that prevents that error at midnight. If it doesn't, my autoload theory would be wrong. Michael.
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: <lz7d27cppr.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-09-13 04:14:24 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I have calendar in midnight-hook, so I came to this backtrace in the >> morning. > > Yes thanks - but I wanted to know how you had obtained the backtrace, > that would help for the analysis. M-x debug-on-entry [what function?], > or something else? Can you maybe try to produce that backtrace again? I always run Emacs with `debug-on-error' set to t. So `midnight-hook' runs `calendar', it errors out, and I see the *Backtrace* first thing in the morning. -- Sam Steingold (https://aphar.dreamwidth.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.2113 https://lastingimpactpsychology.com https://steingoldpsychology.com https://mideasttruth.com https://fairforall.org https://ij.org/ To be popular with ladies one has to be smart, handsome & rich. Or to be a cat.
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
> tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
> tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "mule-util" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
> truncate-string-to-width(#("< Calendar ? info / o other /
> calendar-string-spread((#("<" 0 1 (help-echo "mouse-1: previous m
> calendar-update-mode-line()
> calendar-mode()
> calendar-basic-setup(nil)
> calendar()
> eval((calendar) nil)
Could be that the backtraces just show different moments in autoloading
progress. AFAIK `tramp-file-name-handler' is called very often. Maybe
there is also some caching mechanism involved or something like that and
the first `tramp-file-name-handler' call depends on what you did before
- I don't know.
The OP didn't tell us how he produced his backtrace (do you maybe
recall, Sam?).
Michael.
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> And we see in the backtrace that `calendar-basic-setup' is not done.
> And why else should a call of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' directly
> invoke tramp? If an Elisp function would be involved, it would appear
> in the backtrace.
I don't quite understand what you mean.
If you
(debug-on-entry 'tramp-file-name-handler)
(push "/ssh:host:/tmp/" load-path)
and then do something that will trigger an autoload, you get a backtrace
like that (depending on what it's autoloading):
tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "tramp" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "mule-util" "/ssh:host:/tmp/")
truncate-string-to-width(#("< Calendar ? info / o other /
calendar-string-spread((#("<" 0 1 (help-echo "mouse-1: previous m
calendar-update-mode-line()
calendar-mode()
calendar-basic-setup(nil)
calendar()
eval((calendar) nil)
Here's it's calling truncate-string-to-width (which is autoloaded from
mule-utils).
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2022 19:14:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 15:14:08 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45076 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQZLk-0005qV-4a for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:14:08 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:42835) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1oQZLi-0005pt-42 for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:14:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1661282039; bh=bfXWa8CeUZRxmvF1zWf1oqIhHogwbsALhgB7WTvQScE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=Xaq2tbrAEKITdlUN8DbJTLmLG99+kBTheczm09DMRFn9N2U8uGbfZKfsVjlkoyMKV wJam/GXC6+baUY49hpr7eb3QA9S6XS8fcp5JuWsB7cswUs0tlhmInyJLwkpX6fjaTn oyiMbfISNNFd9E6qHGYXT00lussL0XZHMtoYePog= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.57.248.18]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MYtx4-1ovPzb14cq-00UzxM; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:13:59 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:00:01 +0200") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgfvth3y.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:13:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87k06yrcwb.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KXAhigIz8ab1OCdjsmY8kDrf7Q9/fZPjuJ1C57VhdIJsW3wkhmg unefrs/EJqoWRFGV25vb9RUGdJXG4j1auOZxHaoB1B+7kkrcbv5EU79OlQfe1IkpslxYFkg CYbOSd6Fr0R8P0EHS/eTX7dO+S0ZmBRAkPlplNVI2Uek0wIvIrzYV1KUq76SrmUWmzqBTwo dnEUV2iRpIQgktBhXai3w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rNEp0gKBOkA=:qqqgNEjAKxzBlFq746aV65 M9YHYKt1Rs1pm3Ljptey7rQZtJbEyP5kMNBzCYloGBS2oBukXOV5Q8Jw2qgJk/77Q/eBf9Uhu ww/xWpElAgPH2JLNyhMNc/OWZnOkTqu7pFfCuRy7fzSy0nWz2ruKbH7+7wLgeFFmRIZ0xJTi2 YGIT6rBqX4HgLvySKJXYwMRQdiHm+MUJMzqtYsZEFVQIOOki++v7xOb4DdpaEkW+MrLIwrekM GIxYsWNEDr4o7aa0Pqkkn/zpNsyaPnbBYgfAsCwRXDxO+HrqXJv3fbNuCEWBimWP2VVvAgPBQ zW56CJojDaW3mPG2gsKiJK89xmNxrTajbteMOhMazAS+X+FryGCc7MXCHwCs2PBcVlfrwDfuD iglybhRElPkbM9lKAr2pkmJ1/P/4DY6uCabGc/UIXC+Ge7DlGzSTA59SCLdPeyFA61xtywsGS oTnNN7XAlG/Gcr6WjrybMFTy0mWqoYgfxdXiW5mmvlAbFZnHV+ilEkUBl+ow+1COxQcw/d7f/ laIgKPwb6rDYCE4fq3686rxgObNIsrWFs4pz9xfSmRt3wRYqtDq8eBZfRhWVYfPuoVMxyyCU/ Yd52y65dFayzmPQkK4X9/fCQTkVSbigiAxkeyumnj9pOY9Nln5X93WtdNZLXy7czEFoO9Frlt CmBjmTkOygpLLO2oV4OLg5X+QH1FoksTeqU+HZyPxybD/iHlO0wHU5Cl9Sh4ZcA0giRffp3XE 25MDyCSyNSbl/VwDVaENXimximven6uKEy7J8Ab6e3/poaot7aUZhrig34HTJIc/xEF+jTrAD SE3qMsLAWus5vhoH7xCKM9jerm3lZF3SVXBX8UZq+FVH48VHYvGFgWZn6YM15UIsCNSXPXrEJ JfrWfaruc9TryPY5+pQiEIhW/snXUvFenKS4+I329KsZzGlcz3LnwFodeYks8R337ah/2hWYS eMtxGlVi0JCuoE/Ah2TNh0BivuCQOygY+wFuJjYM2c5u2tRq+FD9Y7pRsd0kOTnplvNU3SfVK 7kFuTvpvCcMcEnTKfiqcaD75D740N5n4WneB8GrSckE59eyLeGF4VMC1cOHQBPC6O4kPphTUy YRBp0Xy1boCLKIqHfOgsa/KHMX0+Ivfj947IvUwgmwzlAkcSGerMJgGFQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Steingold <sds@HIDDEN>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > The backtrace shows that Emacs was trying to load cal-move.so, and > that's presumably something that Emacs tries to do when resolving the > `autoload' definition of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date', I think? > (If I remember correctly, Emacs looks for all of so/elc/el, if Emacs is > built with module support, when doing a `require'/`autoload' lookup.) ".so" is the first prefix in the return value of (get-load-suffixes) for me - so it is tried first. And we see in the backtrace that `calendar-basic-setup' is not done. And why else should a call of `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' directly invoke tramp? If an Elisp function would be involved, it would appear in the backtrace. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2022 07:30:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 03:30:13 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQOMX-0007vd-DI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 03:30:13 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:59915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>) id 1oQOMT-0007uE-PF for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 03:30:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1661239801; bh=oXrgnE1jGOl8VWwxn3iTVAHAUlV2Nccs9yocjA7qHCc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=kjHFJZGcYitvfBFk4j/wn0rlbjsy0QQHkKcerz/UJ5ISmmrutnl4YPUjMzyjFMwc6 stGzd+frJnukp3kFStVYWCMoupjbv078ATArN9Q6d2GrvjAo2zUB1qDI4cLTz0dfVE FbV0swgiopYD8ZpiXutGd2SS1507nmfAsMYaDMr0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.159.189]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MNbkp-1opViM21QR-00P8XG; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:30:01 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2022 16:28:38 +0200") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:30:00 +0200 Message-ID: <87wnazfmdj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3wZnJMI6/oshDNPiX0zDxeChc7IcIAO+Zxh8SOnEdRRcOpTtxxY /xXpshRB+ZnsI4Pe7NPK14kbQ8RRZdmaW7DrN5ZNYvmt7BuxGWkNVV6RmxuNQ2atcFMwgCa WUqLBX/UJ3EJaSDTrkYzKbqSF4/YZbO/rjpf65YD44n0Mz89PLP3D0zZMEP5aUqo/s8oP2U IafUTv/G48mgd8pizEMmA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rOQZkJwZePg=:OlW270ysvkz4ffqZEtfsl6 gbSlEl3sDXSs7aUG/GcluLHzRA8dl/4vlFGFmUuaUScld90WJkBA+7zOqidaQ5zK6uj6NYtkP eSSquP1oMT8hzeAyzUAIFZIljUzxtCo+6ksgj3sTLnC5NksCA4yh+KEwwyiMr9yx98wUboUSl sqyC17kczAL62pjbTwlxYYy1z/lhCmA9av8fiknDjKzKvSdi+ziIpk+CzRAdQMFI5Q/w/4XvW WIaofquPV+CFGypNPyGgqpClnub0f4ybAElesOCoB1b5fdiv3T4SIqvAImQw4V/WxQFOOOE9f FiPWmGsqLlMTraI3TLJ7Z3sUDdZYorqGZWLkWxG20bMEIxVdevhHabjKFPKNt2gAv6xLe48Eu KHFVRM6leCWBL/9n2+Tsz+q9h9rU3CQ66k0CpRNo5mUpVRwb/ma2ACa3SkEvRXT3T+B0iT2bW C+0Fxg0qHhPstioMbvxvKhIAdo1yy+UJU5caj049RJBiQT5YBoFIcxw1xXTexshjgMEkIB5T3 wSw6HzPj/tIGtzRD1nf0AacPrvZOrTjPAEcHNUUoryfZIrFfSBF1oBzwleIdVSG9l1XIJVxJV 2SKfXaQcgKyagwSemnA8mj+l8mAC4Abq8IqQLzEA0ls6tYeh9uXSBIqjaBlotnmmjdcLCzR4r xMdS3U6zBwvxbAAoG/vPGFcZd5WBcs2fZLD+NDfW904EIBqcEcz6uUbrl2wTYwb/XqqtX2vJv GmiVa8VhR+M0VN+UNxKM5oND80JKOiqzV7SEgvdpoDsHUjA4snJy9wnJ0ZIcUFm+wJHKALBTk QpZ+HS0b8kabKQFWSFw7It6PnQu8tmvBGNBQdgix+qy5CwiG2z4Dr/ttVg8u8xibXRHn5CQ5p 4DZrh89IcRYMNFUkRJ6FPJ8WKWJ1Zi0cAWjx37cMoTuCOpM1XiCigNUkPmRZbDqQK8tFTDVIK N9DCPfxwnJ9hk0AkXqukuwC5t0EeiKmecgKA3yNjKcPEwKW1dYPfpipY1D77Mue+tyfvloEwu W9vYAKfbH7O8PmwvxGQb+QHQCEYbh9fM5h5HndYQAHprnnu51EanYhS5qmr7GcBKmZqe5muZG yupKl9qYr+vcSPGpO3oOP4p+KrwFw4WwgcEGAFvEViluvRWJYEHIVM5qw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Steingold <sds@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Lars, >> I get this trace: >> >> tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so") >> calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021)) >> calendar-generate-window(8 2021) >> calendar-basic-setup(nil) >> calendar() >> run-hooks(midnight-hook) >> apply(run-hooks midnight-hook) >> timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-hook) nil 0]) > > (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved > at the time.) > > calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's > happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and > looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/". > > Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance? I don't believe it is a load-path issue. calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is declared in cal-loaddefs.el (it has the ;;;###cal-autoload cookie), and this loaddefs file is loaded when loading calendar.el. That has been finished already, when calendar-basic-setup is applied. The question is rather: what is cal-move.so, and how and why is it checked for readability? In the directory emacs/lisp/calendar I cannot find any use of this file. Best regards, Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2022 04:00:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 00:00:17 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42201 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQL5M-0000C0-RW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 00:00:17 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:48659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1oQL5H-0000BS-Mq for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 00:00:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1661227205; bh=mkD8rRZO25uX96X5BjvnCB9LTtv7guhp+KNE2LRzYNc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=OfzhZv/1XW08U98PgFvCAinE/xcDGjvOrtj2lCC8x/Cj8QZzLDPGrORGd++hOjG+c gJUmcuU2GIoXv3UYRIVs+bt4MZASiah9u9IALq/e9inZnqQbJEqG7+djrphVfXuMih yM8THOs1LSh/dV7qkrYNcIQ7g4V5HbNrrQ1yNOkU= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.57.248.18]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MiMAE-1p3Vr90S4k-00fjmx; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 06:00:05 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <CAFsbZ7ZTjguH9OAvmeAgSpsLUem1aLxjOYqogvnD_jNX_zc8wA@HIDDEN> (Sam Steingold's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2022 23:39:05 -0400") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <lza67wmev6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbvitxs.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qt7k76f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fshnsku1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAFsbZ7ZTjguH9OAvmeAgSpsLUem1aLxjOYqogvnD_jNX_zc8wA@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 06:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87bksbsj7h.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:p2/tF3o0UmsNKCst14QwoNx4+iS9bWX/8m/q8ESeKB2nL0bawjj HjPvluucRnlw2AsZMG/Bl4uz+fdaDdUx/dW0NoaUyS7OLQD1hVXB7Tk9z4pJdq6qCpcOERk 1wvp7chA4HpkjKunODpFPIlm7x0w2xGD+CfRkPgwTl7jfbjaoFxMgfYJ/PDuZgmLdRNGaoY p4aJ/rhvvAddzHyHWwyeQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:UAciXI9FpWs=:0fqrkl6WM6Y5PyckRlPtrR SXWod6B2GCFnFWfMp39gk4aAGGmIuWGr4k9b4iYiI2YMMNkUdnmULG1yYw9D/EUJ02A0asKlK Lc4SMrv8dXxXqViSyvoURSlhZ9O5PB1MS3CclDtgpV/RL6CKa0gMDL1uYU6fciR6MTpOQtuQs y3JHZpYReA+wbBQq2oK0ptVuYJGtc6GzujcX/fCpmuDSjKZsZoo5xHj8yQqEHol1zmbwlfPY4 H9v2JpkVL4yqhQ5kvcg4+atSFhnT2feLSgPev4VACTP2iKuBH+m94P6J73+U6cbLPlw3xqhAH viRVgVMb46XN7AJ3JMj35f+fzXa+AuL9XToQEGN0eD20EUOEWqsnac7akITakrBehdquUcagN AV9yHxl5/mCKEvw6eMqLlGLxx18mKWrai/LJ2d8bjc+2gRIWIW+BO2vKZrCBwiWuiS8UDxOil 0kRJkqE3R26AEi+dwWkTmfOoXUNQkhyPyvyGJ7BysIsYgBwGOAwWbgEshllow3UYVQwPbk4hA FPjGVfJNoQfMKEHct1gWjzYlhCndsOMF6BjLO/ro83sZ1Mh5fllEYB/ZjVgfOA4yALw2Va8u0 LIHxKD72LQZvEuwR1/wEyTH/NsVTKgkY6FuyW+u7gn2ZDLGg48oSPp76lsLOqFGc3AQEfBPpO ixX16JCIo7GdShhza8o7/Z9Or1FOg07dFP3hK8BwYKeNpDS6Hxtb0O3W+WAyagdtj0ZRSAEUk WNnUPrbRI9lR9gzfYhmsfgVd/JVtdaFQZzGiRVmV/copw6PnzxrxOht41NuuWdj/qXZLmX7K2 iCbyRvxprBmxEEIu7QSwX4Z8SQPG2hHgYHapRFxwLPKH9QUujuvmObJ5Db0sv0qDS65nt/rMX zRx7XbZRkxenS/glMkyNHPpatRqaMTpgLCCuh6GXgiJ4bnfg05N+S1s6UCI7oGz2YJnKRXdok 1H35uj1M3WPxLZOfxiSYZgpIjOydFoZESg6QJ2vwQOPS+Tt6HCQe6W7cTCd96Shf/lC5U7n3Z zK0gmt+4G0yvpQfa1KGRcdVdIN06yFYG1ZKvmfzTgxpORTct4sbG/fB6fA7MZ87QjMlfE2/iU iSkOql30V9VVW065Vx/jbFO63wPgiutjdIv4dr8KOlavslIcW4wBlbspw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > At any rate, I never add either "." or nil to `load-path`. There are multiple ways why such an entry could have been added there - it must not even have been you. But if the load-path theory is wrong, I have no clue what was going on without a reproducer. The backtrace seems to clearly hint at autoloading going on. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50187) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2022 03:25:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 22 23:25:09 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42183 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQKXN-0007jK-G0 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 23:25:09 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:55401) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1oQKXL-0007ik-3K for 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 23:25:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1661225099; bh=jcXiKPozieKIY+Go6AGYEmJGJQj0j9s99kIOdIVsUwE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=VOY5VrVWYx3+px5pfznlyNEYf3cvUVMt0P4/8O1nWDwaSYCia+j5pZNN+qrKC5CUR GjHIdgbcoZbttv0BtuefyzhhGCnyYT4COCUu2/hhSlxCl+9JbMMzx79hUOONS56mZf Gc4vrVCV9nQZhRH7l/lMxhVeoBXwRO3aPFnDuo8E= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.57.248.18]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MhFhg-1p4dMv3afi-00egI9; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:24:59 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar In-Reply-To: <871qt7k76f.fsf@HIDDEN> (Sam Steingold's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:47:04 -0400") References: <lzilzuj31i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sflo4ajt.fsf@HIDDEN> <lza67wmev6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbvitxs.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qt7k76f.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:24:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87fshnsku1.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sWX4iM3ZTwrw6pGNwSAfUQL3UcoEMTjMYKC5h8esYwOUuP6Kbzn zz4bi4tRGwpRL6CuCZX3u/xsAqlyAMdJzsStM7xLpCyGGJZjuV4/rryDhJ1ovfBTywYhgFl s2DCyh/HduSUoWBPN8eHhPfQo8hiILCUbymCp68oTRBYjvLtM+mM8cnz4l4l45U5QzjekLc EhVuee8amkKLSSdGB7oPQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:QIpaxtCHtLs=:UIifHNrNI5HHLbhQAZ26D0 yEgSTMDQ3u7EwLilq7DnbTcKfKuZHJlpJnLbNRKpzsgsexxn/vnocUC6ccW6S5jDh3/64hu4h fq7ALc1lm/H7Z4eNB2jVD9JdbKhAUr1SQN74QG1L7tfykQJokDbicSx0WfeirSUZlKBM6H5iz YMknqGvT5wJV5/n60hy+AC7YjzcmDXl1MKex5Cy0igz45CvvaOvHYAxi5KeioK8gldpML9bJ6 Teu992jRYzKCHUjeejCgOzOJRV7QVUyxeNfrL849JbGuYCSO3umVeomLcHfWjraYJsZaOUOOF SWPwueWwg5So/1+CxuUUIe7LR6XilAbI6koA+gCvRAVFNOYO4uJRITNt8MiVE+vxd+Ir3GmVU uOAUV+qtm/CWx5iXGZaJ6sKlFeSORX2ezNgoW4dGSC8m/Iq0Z4njtB0WgusyvkrfNjHiTNKP8 jICEmSdEWBIqLY71yL3DY0KW9iNyDULYWxCaakypsvfnQUSX4MfKDOHIHPS9GGuAfG/6ZgKuO QvqY1uPG7Ifpi0nz6hQKJAe7joQK6RNaIEa/QhqGiWwPcmFC88bSaRi15PDHP+UiREWYxtbQa DQS/soIun5GIhtuzIuexxqgZK5bx8F9zeF96ho+9G1asxe+vI+xzF/K344gv1bcqxr3RpEONb xSLrXRxn6e9obEbcngbz3eFZKqKZjla9MGAevs/KBboI0Vf1wfLxPBxzUogfONk81Zwl7HN9O huuUfTzE1wrZWgnqDdIKtL7k3wEp0QCUXarE8Fb4v+t7qbDJJpXzllirucnbemABhXbdVPCUQ PW0Ivb3LNLrcYYgEjYWFFFXZmkkTF3eRkh5pH3gFTGt3Vlffnuna8IPS9CXQEMbRZKS0wdHE1 jPzVIZ0SpMKoYvib/WKcC316GJ5bMec6ZwKRMMp/qerUN+JQPylO3DN1Pbeug1+VEhjR2yhDU GrY8UjvPRz8xPOAQKXBeU+qYX31z4eHeTq4izL0kde14p89d54tYxeiJLhW/kOqWmsbd1pkBb /e1jlkqRae7N2bhP1pdrpXuLJsOLzLDn/qcDkEvesV9feazUXUyMLbWZCeDQDTj1+uduno09n 5SjrBDfRzIfgg1lU7ofKH593rYvhI/S9QNh0ySRC1D3eMgdIfVunbrx+A== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> (because `.' is a part of `load-path' > > > > Ok, but it's not there by default, right? > > I have no idea why it was there (it is not there now!) > I am not even sure if it was there then. > My only point is that disk access triggered from a buffer with a tramp > `default-directory' results in tramp being activated and trying to > touch the remote. > Dunno why. > My theory was `load-path', looks like I was wrong. Not really: your backtrace very much looks like the function `calendar-cursor-to-visible-date' was autoloaded. Autoloads don't contain complete paths, they only contain relative file names. So the `load-path' is searched, and if "." or nil is at the beginning, the default-directory is searched first. Else the standard file would have been found before default-directory is touched. Quite plausible that this is what you saw. Michael.
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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:47:04 -0400 Message-ID: <871qt7k76f.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50187 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Michael Heerdegen <zvpunry_urreqrtra@HIDDEN> [2022-08-23 04:18:23 +0200]: > > > Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes: > >> (because `.' is a part of `load-path' > > Ok, but it's not there by default, right? 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To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#50187: 28.0.50; tramp is called from calendar
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> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2022-08-22 16:28:38 +0200]:
>
> Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I get this trace:
>>
>> tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Re=
sources/site-lisp/cal-move.so")
>> calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021))
>> calendar-generate-window(8 2021)
>> calendar-basic-setup(nil)
>> calendar()
>> run-hooks(midnight-hook)
>> apply(run-hooks midnight-hook)
>> timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-ho=
ok) nil 0])
>
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
> at the time.)
Very nice of you, but, alas, I have no way to reliably reproduce it now.
> calendar-cursor-to-visible-date is an autoloaded function, so what's
> happening is that Emacs is trying to load the cal-move file -- and
> looking into "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/".
>
> Can something have put that in your load-path by any chance?
I don't think so.
I suspect that this is a part of the pattern I still observe when tramp
paths seep into `default-directory' in irrelevant buffers.
Basically, if I create a non-file buffer `*NFB*' (e.g., by calling
`list-packages' or `gnus') while inside a tramp buffer, the buffer `*NFB*'
inherits `default-directory' from the tramp buffer (unless a special
action is taken, like by `gnus'!) so when a future action involving disk
access is initiated from `*NFB*' (e.g., when `midnight-hook' autoloads
something), the file system local to `*NFB*' is checked first (because
`.' is a part of `load-path' so it is resolved against the tramp
`default-directory').
Maybe a solution is to _never_ inherit `default-directory' unless
there is a _reason_ for that. E.g., `*vc-diff*' should not inherit
`default-directory' from `*vc*' implicitly, but by an explicit action.
However, this will break so much existing code that you wouldn't even
consider that.
On the other hand, "explicitly non-file" modes (like, e.g., `*Custom*'
or `*Help*') should probably reset `default-directory'.
I now evaluate this
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(dolist (b (buffer-list))
(with-current-buffer b
(when (and (null buffer-file-name)
(not (eq major-mode 'dired-mode))
(not (string-match " ?\\*.*\\(tramp\\|vc\\|diff\\)" (buffer-=
name)))
(tramp-tramp-file-p default-directory))
(message "Reset 'default-directory' in %s(%s) from %s"
b (or buffer-file-name list-buffers-directory) default-direc=
tory)
(setq default-directory (default-value 'default-directory))
)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
whenever I have any trouble with tramp, and, e.g., today I saw
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in *Minibuf-1*(nil) from /scp:re=
mote:/home/sds/
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in *Custom Themes*(nil) from /scp=
:remote:/home/sds/
Reset =E2=80=99default-directory=E2=80=99 in *eldoc for line-move-visual*(=
nil) from /scp:remote:/home/sds/
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Thank you very much for your attention.
--=20
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Content preview: I get this trace: --8<cut herestart>8--- tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so") calendar-cursor-to-visible-date( [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (sam.steingold[at]gmail.com) 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: sds@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) I get this trace: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- tramp-file-name-handler(file-readable-p "/scp:remote:/path/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so") calendar-cursor-to-visible-date((8 24 2021)) calendar-generate-window(8 2021) calendar-basic-setup(nil) calendar() run-hooks(midnight-hook) apply(run-hooks midnight-hook) timer-event-handler([t 24869 56416 388128 86400 run-hooks (midnight-hook) nil 0]) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I do have a file "/scp:remote:/path/foo/bar/baz.py" open. "remote" is not accessible because the VPN is down. "/scp:remote:/path/" is the location of the .git directory for baz.py. "remote" is linux, localhost is mac. of course there is no Contents/Resources/site-lisp/cal-move.so on "remote". How come "calendar" calls "tramp"? when I click on the function name in *Backtrace* to get to the source code, tramp is called and I get an infinite loop of "Tramp: Opening connection nil for remote using scp...failed" I have to C-g and M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections to get back to editing. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 5, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1323)) of 2021-08-23 built on 3c22fb11fdab.ant.amazon.com Repository revision: 00edc8329a6277f2e5b5204efbe503e2b7957006 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1894 System Description: Mac OS X 10.15.7 Configured using: 'configure --with-imagemagick --with-mailutils --with-ns PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/opt/libxml2/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/imagemagick/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/gnutls/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/jansson/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/libtiff/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/libpng/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/libjpeg/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/opt/freetype/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: ACL GMP GNUTLS IMAGEMAGICK JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: C locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: VC dir Minor modes in effect: pyvenv-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t global-edit-server-edit-mode: t winner-mode: t which-function-mode: t url-handler-mode: t show-paren-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tab-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t Load-path shadows: Error during checking Features: (tramp-cmds smiley gnus-cite qp gnus-async gnus-bcklg gnus-dup gnus-ml hl-line disp-table spam spam-stat gnus-uu yenc nndraft nnmh gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual utf-7 gnus-cache bbdb-gnus nntp smtpmail shadow sort bbdb-message mailalias cookie1 mail-extr gnus-msg emacsbug sendmail vc-mtn vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs vc-dir ewoc cl-print debug backtrace dabbrev skeleton misearch multi-isearch rx color autoload lisp-mnt mm-archive gnutls network-stream url-http url-gw nsm url-cache url-auth finder-inf package add-log vc-hg vc-bzr tramp-cache remember vc cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs bug-reference conf-mode company-oddmuse company-keywords company-etags company-gtags company-dabbrev-code company-dabbrev company-files company-clang company-template company-cmake company-bbdb yasnippet-snippets yasnippet flymake-proc flymake company-capf company pcase help-fns radix-tree elpy edmacro kmacro elpy-rpc pyvenv eshell esh-cmd esh-ext esh-opt esh-proc esh-io esh-arg esh-module esh-groups esh-util elpy-shell elpy-profile elpy-django s elpy-refactor ido grep compile etags fileloop xref project cus-edit pp cus-start python tramp-sh tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration files-x tramp-compat shell ls-lisp flyspell ispell org-element avl-tree generator ol-eww eww xdg url-queue thingatpt mm-url ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect gnus-search eieio-opt cl-extra help-mode speedbar ezimage dframe gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum shr kinsoku svg dom browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo parse-time gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg epg-config mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win ol-docview doc-view jka-compr image-mode exif ol-bibtex bibtex iso8601 ol-bbdb ol-w3m org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table ol org-keys org-compat org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec find-func cal-x view cal-china cal-bahai cal-islam holidays hol-loaddefs bbdb-anniv cal-iso cal-hebrew lunar cal-julian solar cal-dst vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode vc-dispatcher appt diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs midnight warnings gnus nnheader gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums text-property-search time-date mail-utils mm-util mail-prsvr wid-edit bbdb-mua bbdb-com crm mailabbrev bbdb bbdb-site timezone edit-server advice server winner ring which-func imenu url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv url-vars paren help-at-pt desktop frameset cl-loaddefs cl-lib cus-load info iso-transl tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1907075 184330) (symbols 48 42376 26) (strings 32 404355 48896) (string-bytes 1 11953164) (vectors 16 124222) (vector-slots 8 2158656 320801) (floats 8 1033 615) (intervals 56 173673 4887) (buffers 992 62)) -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1894 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