Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2020 20:01:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 31 16:01:27 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYx43-0006E2-6v for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 16:01:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYx3y-00065t-EJ; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 16:01:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYx3r-0005CW-8G; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 16:01:15 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3177 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYx3p-0002aY-VQ; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 16:01:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 22:00:59 +0200 Message-Id: <83361ugo78.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878sbmp612.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 31 Oct 2020 21:28:41 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tuucm4br.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sbmp612.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 21:28:41 +0200 > > What do you think about binding upper-case 'M-G G' to goto-line, It's harder to type.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#5042; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2020 19:45:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 31 15:45:35 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34576 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYwog-0004aI-SY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:45:35 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:45327) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1kYwod-0004ZY-8W; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:45:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 091E51BF206; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:45:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tuucm4br.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 21:28:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tuucm4br.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:49:12 +0100") Message-ID: <878sbmp612.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> 1. Bind 'M-g v' to goto-line-relative, while leaving 'M-g g' >> bound to goto-line that currently uses absolute line numbers >> (btw, this fact should be mentioned in its docstring); > > This makes most sense to me -- sometimes you want to go relative (when > you're working on stuff wrt. the buffer) and sometimes you want to go > absolute (when you're looking at external data, like error reports and > the like). > > So two commands (and keystrokes), and document the difference properly. What do you think about binding upper-case 'M-G G' to goto-line, where the big G has mnemonics of more global absolute line numbers, and binding lower-case 'M-g g' to goto-line-relative where the little g means more local relative addressing.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 09:49:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 05:49:26 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYR2E-00048L-0K for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 05:49:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kYR2B-000482-Tu; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 05:49:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AEJMT/8Uuj91GjZxJn2iorJ9ZzZtsB3EBtDLPG+cnYc=; b=W3BIhLF+JxBq/LfXjh0QiLwg3m pl+hbsX7eA9xiyMC89k2grxZ3Sh1Afbhogr3a5lwxaYwnHZ4zktkc3FhTA0Tf/HgOypyBlwKCs8wt p0qqXmrEyeEsCcypJmCtQ6vXY1ZvYgfkSVg3lPJF0CMyzK/Fc3cUH60iztGbWqKblNVk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kYR21-00056y-Lr; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:49:16 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Various's _I Wanna Be Kate: The Songs of Kate Bush_: "Suspended In Gaffa (2020 Remaster)" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:49:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:19:11 +0200") Message-ID: <87tuucm4br.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > I've added a more localized key binding 'C-x n g', > but still not sure about the global 'M-g' key bindings. > Here are some possible variants: > > 1. Bind 'M-g v' to goto-line-relative, while leavi [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > I've added a more localized key binding 'C-x n g', > but still not sure about the global 'M-g' key bindings. > Here are some possible variants: > > 1. Bind 'M-g v' to goto-line-relative, while leaving 'M-g g' > bound to goto-line that currently uses absolute line numbers > (btw, this fact should be mentioned in its docstring); This makes most sense to me -- sometimes you want to go relative (when you're working on stuff wrt. the buffer) and sometimes you want to go absolute (when you're looking at external data, like error reports and the like). So two commands (and keystrokes), and document the difference properly. > 3. Leave the existing 'M-g g' bound to goto-line, but allow changing > the numbering scheme using a prefix arg and a user option. > Or another idea: maybe it should depend on whether > display-line-numbers-mode is enabled or not? > When display-line-numbers-mode is enabled, then use > relative line numbers that are displayed on the left side (WYSIWYG). I'm not opposed to this, but I wonder whether it'd be used much (if we have two keystrokes, which I think we should have anyway). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 08:20:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 04:20:13 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYPds-0001t6-OC for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:20:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45844) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYPdq-0001sk-QT; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:20:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYPdk-00056H-M9; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:20:04 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2358 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYPdj-0003Yp-Jv; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:20:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:19:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83blgkazx9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87r1pgch84.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:27:43 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sg9xaysh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r1pgch84.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:27:43 +0200 > > >> 3. Leave the existing 'M-g g' bound to goto-line, but allow changing > >> the numbering scheme using a prefix arg and a user option. > > > > I like this the best. > > If making the current goto-line 'M-g g' more DWIM is not easy to do, > maybe really a user option could help with such choices: > > - always use absolute line numbers; > - always use relative line numbers; > - follow the value of display-line-numbers-widen; > ... That's also a possibility, but I think "M-1 M-g g" would still be useful, even with these options, because sometimes the need in narrow-relative line numbers is a one-time thing.
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How about... > >>> `M-g M-v'? (The mnemonic is "goto visual line".) > >> > >> Or to add a new key to narrow-map 'C-x n' where a new key could be: > >> > >> C-x n g go to narrowed line > > > > Perhaps both? The keystroke makes sense in both contexts -- as a > > variation on `M-g M-g', and in the group of narrowing keystroke. >=20 > I've added a more localized key binding 'C-x n g', > but still not sure about the global 'M-g' key bindings. > Here are some possible variants: >=20 > 1. Bind 'M-g v' to goto-line-relative, while leaving 'M-g g' > bound to goto-line that currently uses absolute line numbers > (btw, this fact should be mentioned in its docstring); >=20 > 2. Re-bind 'M-g g' to goto-line-relative as many asked to do > with the reasoning that 'M-g g' should use by default the > same numbering scheme as is displayed by display-line-numbers-mode; >=20 > 3. Leave the existing 'M-g g' bound to goto-line, but allow changing > the numbering scheme using a prefix arg and a user option. > Or another idea: maybe it should depend on whether > display-line-numbers-mode is enabled or not? > When display-line-numbers-mode is enabled, then use > relative line numbers that are displayed on the left side (WYSIWYG). FWIW, I think this belongs on `M-g', and not on `C-x n' (and not on both). The aim of the command is to go to a line. IIUC, it's not a command that is essentially an action on the buffer restriction (narrowing). Users will think of this as a goto-line action, and they will look for it on a key related to going to a line number. As others have pointed out, some users won't even recognize that Info shows a node by narrowing the overall buffer (the manual). They won't look for the key on `C-x n' (and they shouldn't). Functions that act on relative, instead of absolute, file names are still basically about file names or files, and their names and keys generally reflect that. Similarly here - this about going to a relative line number. Why a user would most likely want to do that in Info (answer: because it's narrowed) is secondary, and can almost remain unremarked. ___ Which brings us back perhaps to _swapping_ relative and absolute whenever the buffer is narrowed - the Info case is just a special case of that. What about doing that (advertising it prominently)? By default (add an option, to let users choose), when the buffer is narrowed the regular absolute goto-line key goes to a relative line number, and the regular goto-relative line key goes to an absolute line number. That would mentally cement the natural relation between relative line numbering and narrowed buffer. But by _swapping_ (and certainly not letting one of the behaviors grab both keys, as was suggested here), users always have both behaviors available on keys (including in Info). Yes, such swapping would be perhaps a first for Emacs. But I think it would end up being pretty natural, even expected.
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> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
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> 2. Re-bind 'M-g g' to goto-line-relative as many asked to do
> with the reasoning that 'M-g g' should use by default the
> same numbering scheme as is displayed by display-line-numbers-mode;
Two comments:
1) display-line-numbers-mode by default behaves the same as
line-number-mode
2) display-line-numbers-mode has the display-line-numbers-widen
option which disregards narrowing, so if you want to follow
display-line-numbers-mode, you will need to heed that option as
well
> 3. Leave the existing 'M-g g' bound to goto-line, but allow changing
> the numbering scheme using a prefix arg and a user option.
I like this the best.
> Or another idea: maybe it should depend on whether
> display-line-numbers-mode is enabled or not?
That sounds wrong to me: there's no real relation between these two,
and having the same command behave differently in two buffers doesn't
sound right to me.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 09:20:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 05:20:28 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51858 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kY46e-0008E6-KA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 05:20:28 -0400 Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:56071) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1kY46c-0008Dd-QJ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 05:20:27 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B0D2200004; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:20:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:19:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:37:40 +0200") Message-ID: <878sbps834.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>> So a new command and keystroke seems warranted. How about... >>> `M-g M-v'? (The mnemonic is "goto visual line".) >> >> Or to add a new key to narrow-map 'C-x n' where a new key could be: >> >> C-x n g go to narrowed line > > Perhaps both? The keystroke makes sense in both contexts -- as a > variation on `M-g M-g', and in the group of narrowing keystroke. I've added a more localized key binding 'C-x n g', but still not sure about the global 'M-g' key bindings. Here are some possible variants: 1. Bind 'M-g v' to goto-line-relative, while leaving 'M-g g' bound to goto-line that currently uses absolute line numbers (btw, this fact should be mentioned in its docstring); 2. Re-bind 'M-g g' to goto-line-relative as many asked to do with the reasoning that 'M-g g' should use by default the same numbering scheme as is displayed by display-line-numbers-mode; 3. Leave the existing 'M-g g' bound to goto-line, but allow changing the numbering scheme using a prefix arg and a user option. Or another idea: maybe it should depend on whether display-line-numbers-mode is enabled or not? When display-line-numbers-mode is enabled, then use relative line numbers that are displayed on the left side (WYSIWYG).
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This piece by itself makes sense. > Hm... Does Dmitry have any comments here? (Added to Cc.) I'm subscribed to the bug tracker, but I skip over a number of discussions automatically (and an extra email in a thread is relatively easy to miss, too). In case I don't respond in similar circumstances in the future, may I ask for a personal email? One without 'debbugs.gnu.org' in the From/To/Cc.
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Dicks Love (Soft)" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 10:48:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zh478ovp.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2020 22:52:10 +0200") Message-ID: <87pn52vfyj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > Here is the fix for xref: [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > Here is the fix for xref: [...] > - (goto-char (or (cdr buffer-point) (point-min))) > - (point-marker)))))) > + (save-restriction > + (widen) > + (goto-char (or (cdr buffer-point) (point-min))) > + (point-marker))))))) Hm... 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> This is what for example help-function-def--button-function does:
>
> ;; Widen the buffer if necessary to go to this position.
> (when (or (< position (point-min))
> (> position (point-max)))
> (widen))
> (goto-char position)
>
> Unfortunately, xref doesn't provide such nice feature,
> so 'M-.' fails to navigate in a narrowed buffer.
Here is the fix for xref:
diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el b/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
index eed73f5791..c7ff351845 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
@@ -897,8 +897,10 @@ xref-location-marker
(let ((buffer-point (find-function-search-for-symbol symbol type file)))
(with-current-buffer (car buffer-point)
(save-excursion
- (goto-char (or (cdr buffer-point) (point-min)))
- (point-marker))))))
+ (save-restriction
+ (widen)
+ (goto-char (or (cdr buffer-point) (point-min)))
+ (point-marker)))))))
(cl-defmethod xref-location-group ((l xref-elisp-location))
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Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:31:25 +0000 Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08OHVIxm004980; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:31:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2ba7ee86-bd69-4299-9e40-b8ee79675c99@default> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <871ritbs6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mu1gd422.fsf@HIDDEN> <e2249a97-b7e0-4b2b-9dba-2d6fa2e5f892@default> <m2sgb739pg.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m2sgb739pg.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240129 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240129 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > >> Drew objected to rebinding the keystroke in Info > >> mode, but I think that's probably fine -- nobody is > >> ever going to refer to an absolute line in Info. >=20 > Drew> Why do you think so? >=20 > Drew> The principle is general. Logically, this has > Drew> nothing to do with the mode or context, except if > Drew> the user thinks it does. No such coupling should > Drew> be done automatically (hard-coded). Just give users > Drew> two commands/keys and let them use whichever they > Drew> feel is appropriate in any given mode/context. >=20 > Drew> You're setting a bad precedent by overruling users > Drew> here. `M-g M-g' should do the same thing, wherever. >=20 > If I turn on display-line-numbers-mode in an *info* buffer, or have the > line number displayed in the mode line, those numbers are the narrowed > line numbers. Having M-g M-g go to the absolute line number there > would be very confusing as they don=CA=BCt match the visual information > provided (how many people even know that *info* buffers are narrowed? > They behave like a linked set of buffers). Either Info should be made to NOT use narrowing to simulate what you describe as "a linked set of buffers", or ordinary considerations of narrowing apply. How do you know that an Info buffer is narrowed? Same way as any other buffer: the mode line says "(Info Narrow)". Nothing new here. Someone decided that relative line numbering was appropriate as the default behavior for Info. That's not bad. And yes, if a user is _not aware_ that line numbering is relative, and that the buffer is narrowed, then s?he may mistakenly use `M-g M-g' to go to what s?he thinks is a normal, i.e., absolute line number. Info is between two chairs. It should instead be handled consistently (pick a chair) - either: 1. As an explicitly narrowed buffer, with relative line numbers - and a user would then use the (new) command and key for going to a relative line number. A user would get that the buffer is narrowed, and relative line numbers are appropriate. or 2. As an widened buffer (or with narrowing completely imperceptible by users), with absolute line numbers - and a user would then use good old `goto-line' and its key, `M-g M-g'. Currently, half the indications for users are that Info IS narrowed (by default), which it is, and half of them are that Info is NOT narrowed (which is incorrect). We now have two ways to show line numbers and two keys for going to a line number: relative and absolute. A user is free to show relative but goto absolute, or the opposite, or either of the two same-type combinations - 4 combinations altogether. A user who is used to `M-g M-g' being goto absolute will not expect it to sometimes instead become goto relative behind her back (invisibly). That a user might not know that Info is narrowed is a separate problem, which should maybe be addressed. The fact is that Info IS narrowed (by default). And Emacs tells you so, pretty clearly. If you're aware of that then you're not surprised that Emacs has chosen to show you relative line numbers (by default). But you _will_ be surprised to discover that `M-g M-g' has changed silently. And that there is no longer any key for `goto-line'. What's needed is some better alignment of things. Plus better informing of users of what the state is. As for the goto keys and their commands: they should be kept separate, and both available at all times. I mentioned the possibility of swapping the bindings in the Info setting. I'm not in favor of any such key changes, but certainly it's better to swap (if someone insists that `M-g M-g' needs to become relative), rather than to just give both keys to relative goto. Again, I don't feel strongly about any of this. I do, however, think we're making a mistake by doing what's being done. In particular because it sets a bad precedent. Someone may say that Info is a very special case, and there won't ever be another like it, and we have no plan to change how Info represents nodes (that is, we'll continue to just narrow - it's not a bad approach, even if it's a bit rudimentary), and so therefore it's OK to make this special exception. Will it continue to be regarded as a special case? Or will other modes where someone thinks that the default expectation will be going to relative line numbers also get `M-g M-g' hijacked for relative goto? I unfortunately have to bet on the latter. If we continue to narrow to Info nodes, and if we think that the mode-line indication isn't strong enough, here's a suggestion: My library zones.el has a Boolean option, `zz-narrowing-use-fringe-flag', to highlight the fringe when the buffer is narrowed. It's then pretty obvious when you narrow a buffer. But until a user has done that, and noticed the effect, s?he might not get it when just going to a buffer, like Info, that's already narrowed. Another possibility is to highlight `Narrow' in the mode line, at least for Info.
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>>>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT), Drew Adams <drew.adams@orac=
le.com> said:
>> Drew objected to rebinding the keystroke in Info
>> mode, but I think that's probably fine -- nobody is ever going to re=
fer
>> to an absolute line in Info.
Drew> Why do you think so?
Drew> The principle is general. Logically, this has
Drew> nothing to do with the mode or context, except if
Drew> the user thinks it does. No such coupling should
Drew> be done automatically (hard-coded). Just give users
Drew> two commands/keys and let them use whichever they
Drew> feel is appropriate in any given mode/context.
Drew> You're setting a bad precedent by overruling users
Drew> here. `M-g M-g' should do the same thing, wherever.
If I turn on display-line-numbers-mode in an *info* buffer, or have the
line number displayed in the mode line, those numbers are the narrowed
line numbers. Having M-g M-g go to the absolute line number there
would be very confusing as they don=CA=BCt match the visual information
provided (how many people even know that *info* buffers are narrowed?
They behave like a linked set of buffers).
Robert
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2020 19:42:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 23 15:42:18 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kLAeg-0008Qb-CX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:42:18 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:38675) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1kLAee-0008QI-RQ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:42:17 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.108.13 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-108-13.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.13]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE04DC0003; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN>> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN>> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN>> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN>> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN>> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN>> <871ritbs6t.fsf@HIDDEN>> <cd8f2969-6705-46c8-b090-03e284b0ba0c@default>> <83zh5gvauy.fsf@HIDDEN>> <ddbf05f3-7365-4edf-9585-866ce3fe7e86@default> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:40:17 +0300 In-Reply-To: <ddbf05f3-7365-4edf-9585-866ce3fe7e86@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87o8lwb7tq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > That Info uses narrowing for this special purpose might be seen as > a kludge. Indeed, Info narrowing is an implementation detail irrelevant for most users. And BTW Info-mode is the only mode that sets widen-automatically to nil. Now I pushed this change to the trunk because two maintainers confirmed that this is the right thing to do.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2020 18:10:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 23 14:10:14 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37795 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kL9Da-0005Gr-EV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:10:14 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:59330) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1kL9DZ-0005GT-4Q; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:10:13 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08NI9WWn161797; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:10:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=AZXoBrKixv9HkTPVM+xBErV6/426C3zralJTkDbRqes=; b=SC9lbX1eb0YIk/JtpTVKUa2wS/iGRdF5mL4FoKep0Rj6Uw/wGlczAh8bhZV1KA8kdlvh p6o8BbA1cOJ55/FgxudtRI+T1HF0ZDRGCkWzVWmKKx7TLbGAgYWZkI6vRuGpYEn4Gh0h saESc+gZDvDfQwx33PYhtViigCbHtXnPIRdwlmhTrSlgCQ14MdHMFJWLqHpduYyW5TzI IUJlWIdgiCsHwTip23efhiUO7g5Lkz6TtdnSsf6vB/1Mg4Nfk4z3W+b7Tw0ckoiLKSQ1 7FJKH1XO70qsnUoTi1wE7W5tsASdboARFSaYporHZANFYjRlEg7FD+7k80L4glHuPNS3 oA== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33qcpu0yg3-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:10:07 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08NIA5UO193589; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:10:07 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33r28vyr11-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:10:06 +0000 Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08NI9tZG014968; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:09:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <ddbf05f3-7365-4edf-9585-866ce3fe7e86@default> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <<CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN>> <<877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<871ritbs6t.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<cd8f2969-6705-46c8-b090-03e284b0ba0c@default>> <<83zh5gvauy.fsf@HIDDEN>> In-Reply-To: <<83zh5gvauy.fsf@HIDDEN>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230138 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230138 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > > 3.2. 'goto-line-relative' is bound in Info mode to `M-g M-g'. > > > > I gave my opinion about this. And it was a reason given > > for having two different commands: Do not base which > > command gets the standard key binding on anything to do > > with the current context - in particular, on whether the > > buffer is narrowed. > > > > Please do _not_ bind `M-g M-g' to anything different in Info. >=20 > Why not? We do this kind of thing -- have mode-specific bindings -- > all the time in Emacs. Because we will now have two commands, with two bindings, to let users get the behavior they want - in any mode, any context. Changing the binding of one of those 2 commands to invoke the other command, makes no sense. It takes away a possibility (one command gets two bindings; the other gets zero bindings). And it confuses users. > > Emacs should not be second-guessing users about this. >=20 > It's not second-guessing. Info shows narrowed line numbers in its > buffers, so from the user POV the key sequence keeps invoking the same > command. Info uses narrowing to show a node. Users can further use narrowing within a node. Users can widen, to see all of a file. That Info uses narrowing for this special purpose might be seen as a kludge. In any case, it's a different use of narrowing from a user's. From a user POV the key sequence `M-g M-g' does NOT keep invoking the same command. If it invoked the same command then it would still move to an absolute position. From a user POV, the user has _lost_ a key binding for one of the commands, and the other command now has two bindings. > I see no problem and don't see why you object so much. So much? I just presented my objection; that's all. I see no reason for this. I see reasons against it, both wrt the particular case (Info) and in terms of setting a bad precedent. I don't object "so much". I do think it would be a mistake. And it's not necessary. At the very least, if you insist on this "so much", then please consider swapping the two command bindings in Info mode, and advertising this (anomalous swap).
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2020 18:00:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 23 14:00:31 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37775 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kL94A-0004vw-NV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:00:30 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:53074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1kL946-0004vW-UG; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:00:28 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08NHxDXU126286; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:00:20 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=gX+y2GdPSsSi627p8BeVrSFVhVP1SkedTWg7MpHmvBw=; b=QWJOok9wrXMpEKNdCB0AtQbOVqO/somyltDsnmbmVi+FJdghcQmtCas8zNRODNVSyOg7 tEwCHj+yStOg6NFd36He7pYl5ebAw6YI0ZFBmP22LtlQPf+zmW7Ug3nnJJkjgJ1LaqeC FFgFxzaUakMXxMUQ8q1GzsdoksyW+kcpDukxU9wCayD0FVBhr06DlCWrpxnJF3Mxp2sn LwABXLSuXhkQr1uttDXhtOs2zSmYTmd4Z1IZqNnuVkCY3BbPE24XrlJ28oxjdx7n4vhv 9deP8BlW4Feu0QOC7lPalqasDgB+07cETn7M8x1Ao54V/eZ/Ey3B2W78+qWWLIWEVnil 3Q== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33q5rgjbm9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:00:20 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08NHfUHK040194; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:58:19 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33nux1gsq7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:58:19 +0000 Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 08NHwCCW030770; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:58:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <e2249a97-b7e0-4b2b-9dba-2d6fa2e5f892@default> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <871ritbs6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mu1gd422.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mu1gd422.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=911 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230135 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=918 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230136 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Drew objected to rebinding the keystroke in Info > mode, but I think that's probably fine -- nobody is ever going to refer > to an absolute line in Info. Why do you think so? The principle is general. Logically, this has nothing to do with the mode or context, except if the user thinks it does. No such coupling should be done automatically (hard-coded). Just give users two commands/keys and let them use whichever they feel is appropriate in any given mode/context. You're setting a bad precedent by overruling users here. `M-g M-g' should do the same thing, wherever.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#5042; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2020 14:14:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 23 10:14:33 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kL5XU-0005RV-TW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:14:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40412) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kL5XT-0005R7-4j; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:14:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45115) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kL5XN-0002V1-0x; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:14:25 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4511 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kL5XL-0002mM-LK; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:14:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:14:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh5gvauy.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <cd8f2969-6705-46c8-b090-03e284b0ba0c@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 13:10:09 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#9917: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN> <877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zh5l1uqw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wo0osspd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfh3dtoj.fsf@HIDDEN> <878sd1j2rv.fsf@HIDDEN> <871ritbs6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <cd8f2969-6705-46c8-b090-03e284b0ba0c@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 13:10:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> > Cc: dmoncayo@HIDDEN, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, > 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > 3.2. 'goto-line-relative' is bound in Info mode to `M-g M-g'. > > I gave my opinion about this. And it was a reason given > for having two different commands: Do not base which > command gets the standard key binding on anything to do > with the current context - in particular, on whether the > buffer is narrowed. > > Please do _not_ bind `M-g M-g' to anything different in Info. Why not? We do this kind of thing -- have mode-specific bindings -- all the time in Emacs. > Emacs should not be second-guessing users about this. It's not second-guessing. Info shows narrowed line numbers in its buffers, so from the user POV the key sequence keeps invoking the same command. I see no problem and don't see why you object so much.
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'goto-line-relative' is bound in Info mode to `M-g M-g'. I gave my opinion about this. And it was a reason given for having two different commands: Do not base which command gets the standard key binding on anything to do with the current context - in particular, on whether the buffer is narrowed. Please do _not_ bind `M-g M-g' to anything different in Info. Emacs should not be second-guessing users about this. The point of having two commands (and two key bindings) is to let users get the behavior they want, in any context. Please do not have the same key bound to different behaviors for going to a line.
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Subject: Re: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with
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>>> So a new command and keystroke seems warranted. How about...
>>> `M-g M-v'? (The mnemonic is "goto visual line".)
>>
>> C-x n g go to narrowed line
>
> Perhaps both? The keystroke makes sense in both contexts -- as a
> variation on `M-g M-g', and in the group of narrowing keystroke.
Yep, having both is a win-win situation.
Here is the patch that:
1. leaves the existing 'goto-line' completely backward-compatible
(actually a small difference is that in a narrowed buffer it displays
now the prompt "Goto absolute line:" instead of just "Goto line:")
2. adds two optional args RELATIVE and WIDEN to 'goto-line';
3. adds two new commands 'goto-line-absolute' and 'goto-line-relative':
3.1. 'goto-line-absolute' widens the buffer and doesn't narrow it back;
3.2. 'goto-line-relative' is bound in Info mode to `M-g M-g'.
If this is ok, then 'goto-line-relative' could be bound to
`M-g M-v' and `C-x n g'.
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diff --git a/lisp/info.el b/lisp/info.el
index e4f75b481f..20633fd059 100644
--- a/lisp/info.el
+++ b/lisp/info.el
@@ -4053,6 +4053,7 @@ Info-mode-map
(define-key map "^" 'Info-up)
(define-key map "," 'Info-index-next)
(define-key map "\177" 'Info-scroll-down)
+ (define-key map [remap goto-line] 'goto-line-relative)
(define-key map [mouse-2] 'Info-mouse-follow-nearest-node)
(define-key map [follow-link] 'mouse-face)
(define-key map [XF86Back] 'Info-history-back)
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 050c81a410..724d2d96aa 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -1231,7 +1231,38 @@ goto-line-history
"History of values entered with `goto-line'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'goto-line-history)
-(defun goto-line (line &optional buffer)
+(defun goto-line-read-args (&optional relative)
+ "Read arguments for `goto-line' related commands."
+ (if (and current-prefix-arg (not (consp current-prefix-arg)))
+ (list (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-arg))
+ ;; Look for a default, a number in the buffer at point.
+ (let* ((default
+ (save-excursion
+ (skip-chars-backward "0-9")
+ (if (looking-at "[0-9]")
+ (string-to-number
+ (buffer-substring-no-properties
+ (point)
+ (progn (skip-chars-forward "0-9")
+ (point)))))))
+ ;; Decide if we're switching buffers.
+ (buffer
+ (if (consp current-prefix-arg)
+ (other-buffer (current-buffer) t)))
+ (buffer-prompt
+ (if buffer
+ (concat " in " (buffer-name buffer))
+ "")))
+ ;; Read the argument, offering that number (if any) as default.
+ (list (read-number (format "Goto%s line%s: "
+ (if (= (point-min) 1) ""
+ (if relative " relative" " absolute"))
+ buffer-prompt)
+ (list default (line-number-at-pos))
+ 'goto-line-history)
+ buffer))))
+
+(defun goto-line (line &optional buffer relative widen)
"Go to LINE, counting from line 1 at beginning of buffer.
If called interactively, a numeric prefix argument specifies
LINE; without a numeric prefix argument, read LINE from the
@@ -1241,6 +1272,12 @@ goto-line
move to line LINE there. If called interactively with \\[universal-argument]
as argument, BUFFER is the most recently selected other buffer.
+If optional argument RELATIVE is non-nil, counting is relative
+from the beginning of the narrowed buffer.
+
+If optional argument WIDEN is non-nil, cancel narrowing
+and leave all lines accessible.
+
Prior to moving point, this function sets the mark (without
activating it), unless Transient Mark mode is enabled and the
mark is already active.
@@ -1252,32 +1289,7 @@ goto-line
If at all possible, an even better solution is to use char counts
rather than line counts."
(declare (interactive-only forward-line))
- (interactive
- (if (and current-prefix-arg (not (consp current-prefix-arg)))
- (list (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-arg))
- ;; Look for a default, a number in the buffer at point.
- (let* ((default
- (save-excursion
- (skip-chars-backward "0-9")
- (if (looking-at "[0-9]")
- (string-to-number
- (buffer-substring-no-properties
- (point)
- (progn (skip-chars-forward "0-9")
- (point)))))))
- ;; Decide if we're switching buffers.
- (buffer
- (if (consp current-prefix-arg)
- (other-buffer (current-buffer) t)))
- (buffer-prompt
- (if buffer
- (concat " in " (buffer-name buffer))
- "")))
- ;; Read the argument, offering that number (if any) as default.
- (list (read-number (format "Goto line%s: " buffer-prompt)
- (list default (line-number-at-pos))
- 'goto-line-history)
- buffer))))
+ (interactive (goto-line-read-args))
;; Switch to the desired buffer, one way or another.
(if buffer
(let ((window (get-buffer-window buffer)))
@@ -1286,12 +1298,28 @@ goto-line
;; Leave mark at previous position
(or (region-active-p) (push-mark))
;; Move to the specified line number in that buffer.
- (save-restriction
- (widen)
- (goto-char (point-min))
- (if (eq selective-display t)
- (re-search-forward "[\n\C-m]" nil 'end (1- line))
- (forward-line (1- line)))))
+ (if (and (not relative) (not widen))
+ ;; Useless case because it just moves point to the edge of visible portion.
+ (save-restriction
+ (widen)
+ (goto-char (point-min))
+ (if (eq selective-display t)
+ (re-search-forward "[\n\C-m]" nil 'end (1- line))
+ (forward-line (1- line))))
+ (progn
+ (unless relative (widen))
+ (goto-char (point-min))
+ (if (eq selective-display t)
+ (re-search-forward "[\n\C-m]" nil 'end (1- line))
+ (forward-line (1- line))))))
+
+(defun goto-line-absolute (line &optional buffer)
+ (interactive (goto-line-read-args))
+ (goto-line line buffer nil t))
+
+(defun goto-line-relative (line &optional buffer)
+ (interactive (goto-line-read-args t))
+ (goto-line line buffer t t))
(defun count-words-region (start end &optional arg)
"Count the number of words in the region.
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> However, if people have a narrowed buffer, and are looking at (say) the
> compilation output that says "error on like 45" in a shell, then `M-g g
> 45' will definitely do the wrong thing is we change the command to start
> counting from the start of the narrowed region.
In this case another option is to widen the buffer before going to that line.
This is what for example help-function-def--button-function does:
;; Widen the buffer if necessary to go to this position.
(when (or (< position (point-min))
(> position (point-max)))
(widen))
(goto-char position)
Unfortunately, xref doesn't provide such nice feature,
so 'M-.' fails to navigate in a narrowed buffer.
For 'M-g M-g' this means removing 'save-restriction' from 'goto-line'.
> So a new command and keystroke seems warranted. How about...
> `M-g M-v'? (The mnemonic is "goto visual line".)
Or to add a new key to narrow-map 'C-x n' that currently
contains only 4 keys:
C-x n d narrow-to-defun
C-x n n narrow-to-region
C-x n p narrow-to-page
C-x n w widen
where a new key could be:
C-x n g go to narrowed line
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > So I think it has to be a different command. If someone wants to > rebind "M-g g" to that new command, they can always do that. I'm sympathetic to the idea of not disrupting anybody's workflow. However if the keystroke isn't useful as it is today, then changing how it works (so that it's useful) is an option. 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If someone wants to > rebind "M-g g" to that new command, they can always do that. I'm sympathetic to the idea of not disrupting anybody's workflow. However if the keystroke isn't useful as it is today, then changing how it works (so that it's useful) is an option. So: Is `M-g g' (in a narrowed buffer) useful today? `M-g g 2' will almost inevitably take you to the start of the buffer, so that's not useful, and I think is what people are complaining about, because it just seems to... unhelpful. However, if people have a narrowed buffer, and are looking at (say) the compilation output that says "error on like 45" in a shell, then `M-g g 45' will definitely do the wrong thing is we change the command to start counting from the start of the narrowed region. So a new command and keystroke seems warranted. How about... `M-g M-v'? (The mnemonic is "goto visual line".) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2020 05:35:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 20 01:35:04 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kJs08-00050V-85 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 01:35:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kJs05-0004zt-6P; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 01:35:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kJrzz-0003oS-Ai; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 01:34:55 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2114 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kJrzy-000821-Qj; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 01:34:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:34:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83mu1l105e.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <03fd834c-9305-4cc8-b0d3-a52992babae6@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <<<CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN>>> <<<877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN>>> <<<jwv4kntbqep.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN>>> <<<28534d1c-6652-4cfe-acb4-f0a30624f878@default>>> <<<83tuvt1qwq.fsf@HIDDEN>>> <<1cfba469-3adf-4287-a1fa-647e4e5e83e2@default>> <<83pn6h1pie.fsf@HIDDEN>> <03fd834c-9305-4cc8-b0d3-a52992babae6@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN, > 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Let a negative prefix arg use line numbering wrt the > > restriction (region), and let a positive prefix arg > > use line numbering wrt the buffer (widened). > > > > Likewise for a number read at the prompt: negative for > > restriction numbering, positive for full-buffer numbering. IMO, this would be a highly confusing behavior, especially for those who want goto-line to work in terms of narrowed lines. > But, as I said recently here, two separate commands > (and keys) is OK too. Then let's have that.
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Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:11:00 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08JLAuIL006532; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:10:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <03fd834c-9305-4cc8-b0d3-a52992babae6@default> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <<<CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN>>> <<<877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN>>> <<<jwv4kntbqep.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN>>> <<<28534d1c-6652-4cfe-acb4-f0a30624f878@default>>> <<<83tuvt1qwq.fsf@HIDDEN>>> <<1cfba469-3adf-4287-a1fa-647e4e5e83e2@default>> <<83pn6h1pie.fsf@HIDDEN>> In-Reply-To: <<83pn6h1pie.fsf@HIDDEN>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9749 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009190189 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9749 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009190189 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > My point is that a user can want _either_ behavior, > > and there's no way to know which behavior is wanted > > at any given moment, in any given buffer, whether > > narrowed or not. > > > > IMO, we need either two different commands (& keys) > > or a command with different prefix-arg behaviors. >=20 > I suggested the former up-thread (and thought that your response meant > you are unhappy about that for some reason). Different prefix-arg > behaviors would be tricky in this case, I think, because goto-line > accepts a numeric argument already. From the outset (and typically), I've been for users being able to specify the behavior they want, either on the fly or (if it makes sense) by option. In the bug #9917 thread I suggested this (in 2011): > > when someone says "see the line 42 in window.c" > > then `goto-line' should visit by the absolute line number, > > ignoring any narrowing in effect. But when someone says > > "see the line 42 in the Info node" then it should be relative > > to the node's beginning. >=20 > For `goto-line': >=20 > Let a negative prefix arg use line numbering wrt the > restriction (region), and let a positive prefix arg > use line numbering wrt the buffer (widened). >=20 > Likewise for a number read at the prompt: negative for > restriction numbering, positive for full-buffer numbering. But, as I said recently here, two separate commands (and keys) is OK too. What I think would be inferior would be _only_ a dwimmy behavior that doesn't give users a way to control what happens when it doesn't correspond to some simple conditional that the dwim relies on.
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Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:22:44 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08JKMgn5019585; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:22:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1cfba469-3adf-4287-a1fa-647e4e5e83e2@default> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#5042: bug#9917: 24.0.90; Make `goto-line' consistent with the line number from the minibuffer References: <<CAH8Pv0jBbJoyJfW+Xh-m3kqGQnVc0eO2+kM40SJ23JOKiBrx-A@HIDDEN>> <<877dspmzo3.fsf@HIDDEN>> <<jwv4kntbqep.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN>> <<28534d1c-6652-4cfe-acb4-f0a30624f878@default>> <<83tuvt1qwq.fsf@HIDDEN>> In-Reply-To: <<83tuvt1qwq.fsf@HIDDEN>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9749 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=949 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009190180 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9749 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=965 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009190180 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 9917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, dmoncayo@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > In any buffer, including Info, a user can > > want to go to a line counted from bob or from > > point-min (current narrowing/restriction). >=20 > If that is the main use case for this issue, we could > have a different binding for "M-g g" in Info mode. It's not about Info mode, or any particular mode. It's not about whether the buffer happens to be narrowed. It's about what the users wants in the current context. My point is that a user can want _either_ behavior, and there's no way to know which behavior is wanted at any given moment, in any given buffer, whether narrowed or not. IMO, we need either two different commands (& keys) or a command with different prefix-arg behaviors. We need _some_ way for a user to be able to get either behavior, regardless of what a "default" behavior might be.
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(Stefan mentioned the use case of an Info node that's further narrowed. There's also the case of an Info buffer that a user has widened intentionally.)=20 There's no good way to read a user's mind about this. We can have a reasonable _default_ behavior, and provide the other behavior as an alternative. We can do that using a prefix arg (I suggested a negative one). Or we can do it by providing two separate commands. Or in some other way. And we could decide to have the default behavior depend on something (type of buffer or whatever). But this might not be the best approach. (I think it's probably not.) In any case, we should give users a way to choose what they want, whatever the buffer.
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> The suggestion here is to make the interactive `goto-line' go to the
> narrowed-to line instead of the absolute line. I can see the reasoning
> here -- especially after `display-line-numbers-mode' was added,
> displaying line numbers seems to be getting more popular, and having
> `M-x goto-char' not going to the number you're seeing (if the buffer is
> narrowed) sounds confusing.
I agree that the same should be used for `M-g g` and for the numbers
displayed in `display-line-numbers-mode' or in the mode-line. I think
all those need some common way to decide if the first line is at
`point-min` or somewhere else.
> But it is a breaking change -- somewhat. `goto-line' isn't supposed to
> be used in code, and isn't used in-tree, but who knows what people have
> done out there...
Agree. We used to have calls to `goto-line` in our code, so there's
probably more in the wild.
> We could bind `M-g g' (and friends) to a new command that acts this
> new way?
Fine by me,
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 00:28, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> w=
rote:
> I suggest
> calling this "restart-numbering-restriction" with possible values t and
> nil (=3Dfalse). =C2=A0Is this naming convention/description okay?
The name is OK, I think.
> =C2=A0 emacs > editing > editing basics group
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "most basic editing facilities."
>
> The first group here really seems to only be for Linum features, which
> this is not. =C2=A0It does look like a reasonable place a a user might
> search/discover this option. =C2=A0I'm not sure if I can declare a variab=
le
> in that group without actually requiring Linum to be loaded first.
Not in the linum group, no. This is not dependend on linum (though it
would use the variable); editing basics seems reasonable.
> (defcustum restart-numbering-restriction nil
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0"How should the lines of a restriction be numbered? =C2=A0No=
rmally, they receive the same line numbers as if no restriction existed (e.=
g., if the first line of the restriction is line number 10 of the file then=
it receives line number 10. =C2=A0If this variable is true, the lines of t=
he restriction are instead numbered from 1."
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0:group ???
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0:type =C2=A0'(boolean))
More like this, I'd say:
(defcustom restart-numbering-restriction nil
"If true, lines inside a restriction are numbered starting from 1.
If false, line numbers correspond to position inside the buffer."
:group ???
:type 'boolean)
Juanma
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Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with
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Ok, I have pulled the source code from the CVS repository and I'm
starting to work on the new feature/bug fix.
We are creating a new variable that determines whether or not to
restart numbering lines at the start of a restriction. I suggest
calling this "restart-numbering-restriction" with possible values t and
nil (=false). Is this naming convention/description okay?
Second, this should clearly be a customizable variable, thus created
with defcustom in some group. The question is, which group? Some quick
browsing with M-x customize suggests the reasonable possibilities are:
emacs > convenience > Linum
"Show line numbers in the left margin."
emacs > editing > editing basics group
"most basic editing facilities."
The first group here really seems to only be for Linum features, which
this is not. It does look like a reasonable place a a user might
search/discover this option. I'm not sure if I can declare a variable
in that group without actually requiring Linum to be loaded first.
What do people think?
- Mark
(defcustum restart-numbering-restriction nil
"How should the lines of a restriction be numbered? Normally, they receive the same line numbers as if no restriction existed (e.g., if the first line of the restriction is line number 10 of the file then it receives line number 10. If this variable is true, the lines of the restriction are instead numbered from 1."
:group ???
:type '(boolean))
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 23:08, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> w=
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> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, I will start working on an implementation of this. =C2=
=A0Is there a
> document somewhere on the preferred method for doing this? =C2=A0E.g., pu=
ll
> from the repository, edit, and post diffs?
Yes, that will work.
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Juanma wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:32, Mark Lillibridge
> <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> > That's a good idea. We could add a buffer local variable that
> > determines how to number lines when a restriction is in effect.
>
> I agree. (Post-release, of course.)
Okay, I will start working on an implementation of this. Is there a
document somewhere on the preferred method for doing this? E.g., pull
from the repository, edit, and post diffs?
- Thanks,
Mark
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:32, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> w=
rote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0That's a good idea. =C2=A0We could add a buffer local variab=
le that
> determines how to number lines when a restriction is in effect.
I agree. (Post-release, of course.)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't know any good arguments for which way to set the glo=
bal
> default.
Same here.
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Markus wrote:
> In my opinion, a more general solution than only for linum.el would be
> best, one that also makes for example line-number-mode show line numbers
> that work as expected with M-x goto-line RET also for narrowed buffers.
> Ideally, it should work without having to customize each of these
> features (and new modes in the future) separately. I think a promising
> suggestion (found in this thread) is to generalise narrowing itself,
> possibly with a single new customization option instead of many.
That's a good idea. We could add a buffer local variable that
determines how to number lines when a restriction is in effect. Rmail,
Info, and similar modes could set this variable for their buffers to
start numbering the visible restriction at 1. Other buffers would
depend on the user's global customization setting. goto-line, linum,
and related features would consult this variable.
I don't know any good arguments for which way to set the global
default.
What do people think of this plan? The alternative KISS strategy is
to just make line numbering always start with one for restrictions; I
think this makes everybody happy. The downside is that you can't see
the external line numbers of lines while you have restricted the buffer
and you can't go to lines by their external line number while you have
restricted the buffer. I, at least, don't use narrow (interactively)
enough that that these drawbacks would matter.
- Mark
owner <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#5042; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 23:52:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 18:52:36 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NT29b-0003sP-5y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:52:35 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <markus.triska@HIDDEN>) id 1NT1oJ-0003gU-G4 for 5042@HIDDEN; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:30:36 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jan 2010 23:30:30 -0000 Received: from chello062178240212.3.14.tuwien.teleweb.at (EHLO mt-imac.local) [62.178.240.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 08 Jan 2010 00:30:30 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4064391 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ExCQL7X9EmDrM8KSbnzVeZGMCewAMkEh3D5coHh xAOncpDNugA960 Received: by mt-imac.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 610645411E4; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:30:28 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska <markus.triska@HIDDEN> To: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with narrowed buffers References: <200911260039.nAQ0dTD1019384@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0911301632n2418a309va8e70b0f4dceccf9@HIDDEN> <200912100534.nBA5YSva008256@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912100341q62e2259as90a1a26bbda73739@HIDDEN> <200912210659.nBL6xhDG020940@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> <201001070538.o075cpux020583@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:30:28 +0100 Message-ID: <m2wrzta3xn.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.74 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:52:33 -0500 Cc: lekktu@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> writes: > waiting on your opinion. In my opinion, a more general solution than only for linum.el would be best, one that also makes for example line-number-mode show line numbers that work as expected with M-x goto-line RET also for narrowed buffers. Ideally, it should work without having to customize each of these features (and new modes in the future) separately. I think a promising suggestion (found in this thread) is to generalise narrowing itself, possibly with a single new customization option instead of many.
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 05:39:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 00:39:08 2010 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NSl5P-0002oI-Vz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:39:08 -0500 Received: from madara.hpl.hp.com ([192.6.19.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN>) id 1NSl5M-0002nv-5Y for 5042@HIDDEN; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:39:06 -0500 Received: from mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com [15.25.115.25]) by madara.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.1/HPL-PA Relay) with ESMTP id o075cqXp000982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com (ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com [15.25.118.24]) by mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/HPL-PA Hub) with ESMTP id o075cpux020583; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:38:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:38:51 -0800 Message-Id: <201001070538.o075cpux020583@HIDDEN> From: Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> To: markus.triska@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> (message from Juanma Barranquero on Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:37:52 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with narrowed buffers References: <200911260039.nAQ0dTD1019384@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0911301632n2418a309va8e70b0f4dceccf9@HIDDEN> <200912100534.nBA5YSva008256@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912100341q62e2259as90a1a26bbda73739@HIDDEN> <200912210659.nBL6xhDG020940@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> X-HPL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HPL-MailScanner-From: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: lekktu@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) Markus? We appear to be waiting on your opinion. - Mark > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 07:59, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > I think that given that Mark's mode is likely to be useful enough of > > the time and that implementing it is nontrivial, especially for > > beginners, there should be an explicit option to switch between the > > modes. The default should probably depend on which surprise people > > think is worse. I can live with either way. > > I agree, and don't really care which one is default; I don't mind > having to customize it on .emacs (I already do). > > > I am willing to take a > > stab at trying to implement such an option if people think this is a > > good idea. > > Perhaps it'd be better to ask Markus first. I'm Cc:ing him (the first > time it didn't work). > > Juanma >
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This goes back to the ambiguity of `narrow-to-region', which > can be used either to "pretend the rest of the buffer doesn't exist" (as > was used in Rmail for example), or to "temporarily focus on some > particular part of the buffer without pretending the rest doesn't > exist". Should there be a separate function for "temporarily focus on some particular part of the buffer without pretending the rest doesn't exist"? e.g. narrow-window-to-region -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA
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>> > there should be an explicit option to switch between the modes.
>> I agree, and don't really care which one is default
> Yes, an option makes sense.
> And it can happen that the same person wants both behaviors at
> different times.
Indeed. This goes back to the ambiguity of `narrow-to-region', which
can be used either to "pretend the rest of the buffer doesn't exist" (as
was used in Rmail for example), or to "temporarily focus on some
particular part of the buffer without pretending the rest doesn't
exist".
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2009 21:45:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 16:45:05 2009 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NNZ0z-0002cU-7r for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:45:05 -0500 Received: from madara.hpl.hp.com ([192.6.19.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN>) id 1NNZ0k-0002bk-Ew; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:44:51 -0500 Received: from mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com [15.25.115.25]) by madara.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.1/HPL-PA Relay) with ESMTP id nBNLiY4q019369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com (ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com [15.25.118.24]) by mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/HPL-PA Hub) with ESMTP id nBNLiVHv026499; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200912232144.nBNLiVHv026499@HIDDEN> From: Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> To: drew.adams@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <36E5CB5C587B4E33B6A9F0A213862385@HIDDEN> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:10 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with narrowed buffers References: <200911260039.nAQ0dTD1019384@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0911301632n2418a309va8e70b0f4dceccf9@HIDDEN> <200912100534.nBA5YSva008256@HIDDEN><f7ccd24b0912100341q62e2259as90a1a26bbda73739@HIDDEN> <200912210659.nBL6xhDG020940@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> <E20A57F51CC148D99B645204828E8F8C@HIDDEN> <200912232049.nBNKnLKS025189@HIDDEN> <36E5CB5C587B4E33B6A9F0A213862385@HIDDEN> X-HPL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HPL-MailScanner-From: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, lekktu@HIDDEN, markus.triska@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Drew wrote: > Mark wrote: > > That might be a good idea. Would an absolute override be better > > than a toggle? E.g., a positive prefix uses absolute and a negative > > prefix uses relative to start of restriction. > > I don't think so. Given the option's value, there already is a > default behavior, which makes one of your cases unnecessary. IOW, > there is no override for one of the two possibilities - the default > behavior already corresponds to the > requested one. > > If a given user prefers, in general, to use absolute numbering or > relative numbering, then s?he would set the option to reflect > that. Then s?he need only use `C-u' for the minority of times when > s?he wants the alternative behavior. > > FWIW, I do this kind of thing in some of my own code. Given the > ability to customize the default behavior, I see no reason for also > being able to specify the _default_ behavior explicitly via a > particular prefix arg. > > If, on the other hand, you were anticipating non-interactive use, > then I'd say that in that case all that's needed is to let-bind the > variable (option) to give it the value you want currently. Ok. - Mark
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2009 21:45:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 16:45:05 2009 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NNZ0m-0002bu-UI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:45:05 -0500 Received: from madara.hpl.hp.com ([192.6.19.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN>) id 1NNZ0k-0002bk-Ew; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:44:51 -0500 Received: from mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com [15.25.115.25]) by madara.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.1/HPL-PA Relay) with ESMTP id nBNLiY4q019369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com (ts-rhel4.hpl.hp.com [15.25.118.24]) by mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/HPL-PA Hub) with ESMTP id nBNLiVHv026499; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:44:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200912232144.nBNLiVHv026499@HIDDEN> From: Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> To: drew.adams@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <36E5CB5C587B4E33B6A9F0A213862385@HIDDEN> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:10 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with narrowed buffers References: <200911260039.nAQ0dTD1019384@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0911301632n2418a309va8e70b0f4dceccf9@HIDDEN> <200912100534.nBA5YSva008256@HIDDEN><f7ccd24b0912100341q62e2259as90a1a26bbda73739@HIDDEN> <200912210659.nBL6xhDG020940@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> <E20A57F51CC148D99B645204828E8F8C@HIDDEN> <200912232049.nBNKnLKS025189@HIDDEN> <36E5CB5C587B4E33B6A9F0A213862385@HIDDEN> X-HPL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HPL-MailScanner-From: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, lekktu@HIDDEN, markus.triska@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Drew wrote: > Mark wrote: > > That might be a good idea. Would an absolute override be better > > than a toggle? E.g., a positive prefix uses absolute and a negative > > prefix uses relative to start of restriction. > > I don't think so. Given the option's value, there already is a > default behavior, which makes one of your cases unnecessary. IOW, > there is no override for one of the two possibilities - the default > behavior already corresponds to the > requested one. > > If a given user prefers, in general, to use absolute numbering or > relative numbering, then s?he would set the option to reflect > that. Then s?he need only use `C-u' for the minority of times when > s?he wants the alternative behavior. > > FWIW, I do this kind of thing in some of my own code. Given the > ability to customize the default behavior, I see no reason for also > being able to specify the _default_ behavior explicitly via a > particular prefix arg. > > If, on the other hand, you were anticipating non-interactive use, > then I'd say that in that case all that's needed is to let-bind the > variable (option) to give it the value you want currently. Ok. - Mark
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Full text available.Received: (at 5042) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2009 21:01:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 16:01:26 2009 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1NNYKk-0002C0-Hu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:01:26 -0500 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1NNYKg-0002Bo-KB; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:01:24 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id nBNL1DFx028619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:15 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nBNKx8nH014540; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:01:12 GMT Received: from abhmt013.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 1209838221261602071; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:11 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.169.90) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:11 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> References: <200911260039.nAQ0dTD1019384@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0911301632n2418a309va8e70b0f4dceccf9@HIDDEN> <200912100534.nBA5YSva008256@HIDDEN><f7ccd24b0912100341q62e2259as90a1a26bbda73739@HIDDEN> <200912210659.nBL6xhDG020940@HIDDEN> <f7ccd24b0912210237o686ef31bjab0f8859606dc0bb@HIDDEN> <E20A57F51CC148D99B645204828E8F8C@HIDDEN> <200912232049.nBNKnLKS025189@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#5042: 23.1; linum-mode gives incorrect line numbers with narrowed buffers Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:10 -0800 Message-ID: <36E5CB5C587B4E33B6A9F0A213862385@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200912232049.nBNKnLKS025189@HIDDEN> Thread-Index: AcqEEXjUAdW1k//RSRCmKMGRVNTUuwAAMqKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4B328519.0153:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5042 Cc: 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, lekktu@HIDDEN, markus.triska@HIDDEN, 5042 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > Drew wrote: > > > > there should be an explicit option to switch between the modes. > > > > Yes, an option makes sense. > > > > And it can happen that the same person wants both behaviors at > > different times. For that, why not let `C-u linum-mode' use, in > > effect, the opposite of the option value? > > That might be a good idea. Would an absolute override be better > than a toggle? E.g., a positive prefix uses absolute and a negative > prefix uses relative to start of restriction. I don't think so. Given the option's value, there already is a default behavior, which makes one of your cases unnecessary. IOW, there is no override for one of the two possibilities - the default behavior already corresponds to the requested one. If a given user prefers, in general, to use absolute numbering or relative numbering, then s?he would set the option to reflect that. Then s?he need only use `C-u' for the minority of times when s?he wants the alternative behavior. FWIW, I do this kind of thing in some of my own code. Given the ability to customize the default behavior, I see no reason for also being able to specify the _default_ behavior explicitly via a particular prefix arg. If, on the other hand, you were anticipating non-interactive use, then I'd say that in that case all that's needed is to let-bind the variable (option) to give it the value you want currently.
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Juanma wrote:
> Mark Lillibridge wrote:
> > I am willing to take a stab at trying to implement such an option if
> > people think this is a good idea.
>
> Perhaps it'd be better to ask Markus first. I'm Cc:ing him (the first
> time it didn't work).
Ok.
Drew wrote:
> > > there should be an explicit option to switch between the modes.
>
> Yes, an option makes sense.
>
> And it can happen that the same person wants both behaviors at
> different times. For that, why not let `C-u linum-mode' use, in
> effect, the opposite of the option value?
That might be a good idea. Would an absolute override be better
than a toggle? E.g., a positive prefix uses absolute and a negative
prefix uses relative to start of restriction.
- Mark
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Juanma wrote:
> Mark Lillibridge wrote:
> > I am willing to take a stab at trying to implement such an option if
> > people think this is a good idea.
>
> Perhaps it'd be better to ask Markus first. I'm Cc:ing him (the first
> time it didn't work).
Ok.
Drew wrote:
> > > there should be an explicit option to switch between the modes.
>
> Yes, an option makes sense.
>
> And it can happen that the same person wants both behaviors at
> different times. For that, why not let `C-u linum-mode' use, in
> effect, the opposite of the option value?
That might be a good idea. Would an absolute override be better
than a toggle? E.g., a positive prefix uses absolute and a negative
prefix uses relative to start of restriction.
- Mark
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 07:59, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> w=
rote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think that given that Mark's mode is likely to be useful e=
nough of
> the time and that implementing it is nontrivial, especially for
> beginners, there should be an explicit option to switch between the
> modes. =C2=A0The default should probably depend on which surprise people
> think is worse. =C2=A0I can live with either way.
I agree, and don't really care which one is default; I don't mind
having to customize it on .emacs (I already do).
> I am willing to take a
> stab at trying to implement such an option if people think this is a
> good idea.
Perhaps it'd be better to ask Markus first. I'm Cc:ing him (the first
time it didn't work).
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Okay, let us see where we stand:
* Juanma uses linum mode to know how many lines there are in a file (or
a region, if narrowing is in effect) at a glance; they do not use go
to line.
* Mark (aka, me) and others specify lines to act on by reading off line
numbers provided by linum and use goto-line to implement voice
commands; it is crucial for this purpose that the line numbers
provided correspond to the line numbers goto-line uses in all cases,
including for non-current buffers.
* linum mode currently does what Juanma wants.
* A somewhat non-obvious and fragile hook function can convert the
current mode into what Mark wants:
(add-hook 'linum-before-numbering-hook
(function (lambda ()
(setq line (save-restriction
(widen) (line-number-at-pos))))))
(line here is a local variable of the linum-update-window, bound
shortly before the hook is called; needless to say, this modification
is unlikely to continue working as the linum code evolves.)
* I think you can build a less fragile hook by using a custom version of
linum-format, however, this interferes with the ability to use
linum-format for any other purpose.
* Both modes produce surprises: Juanma's causes surprises when goto-line
goes to the wrong line in some buffers and Mark's causes surprises
when some buffers start with a line number greater than one. Using
Juanma's mode plus changing the behavior of goto-line would produce no
obvious surprises, but I cannot be sure that changing goto-line
does not mess something else up.
I think that given that Mark's mode is likely to be useful enough of
the time and that implementing it is nontrivial, especially for
beginners, there should be an explicit option to switch between the
modes. The default should probably depend on which surprise people
think is worse. I can live with either way. I am willing to take a
stab at trying to implement such an option if people think this is a
good idea.
- Mark
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 06:34, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> w=
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> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The entire point of having line numbers is that they corresp=
ond to
> something useful. Either an external program's line number (e.g., a gcc
> error number) or an internal Emacs notion such as that provided by
> goto-line. =C2=A0The current behavior does neither.
Well, there are many definitions of useful. I find the current
behavior useful, because my main use of linum is knowing at a glance
how many lines there are in the file (or in the region, if narrowing
is in effect).
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Note that other line numbering modes like wb-line-number imp=
lement
> the behavior that I describe as correct.
Yes. But linum allows you to use line numbers in a quite more flexible
way. You could do
(defvar num-of-lines nil)
(defvar num-format nil)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'num-of-lines)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'num-format)
(add-hook 'linum-before-numbering-hook
(lambda ()
(save-restriction
(widen)
(let ((lines (count-lines (point-min) (point-max))))
(setq num-format (format "%%%dd" (length
(int-to-string lines))))
(setq num-of-lines (1+ lines))))))
(setq linum-format
(lambda (line)
(format num-format (- num-of-lines line))))
if you fancied numbering lines in reverse, for example.
Juanma
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> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 01:39, Mark Lillibridge <mark.lillibridge@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> > Linum-mode does not work correctly with buffers that have been
> > narrowed. As a simple example, type ^h i. You will note that the first
> > line is assigned line number one. You can verify that this is wrong
> > either by using goto-line
>
> Let's hear Markus' opinion, but IMHO that's not necessarily a bug.
> Linum's function is to add line numbers, but these do not have to
> correspond to buffer lines. For example, nothing stops you from doing
>
> (defvar my-num 1000)
> (make-variable-buffer-local 'my-num)
>
> (setq linum-format (lambda (n) (format "%4d" (+ n my-num))))
>
>
> Juanma
The entire point of having line numbers is that they correspond to
something useful. Either an external program's line number (e.g., a gcc
error number) or an internal Emacs notion such as that provided by
goto-line. The current behavior does neither.
Note that other line numbering modes like wb-line-number implement
the behavior that I describe as correct.
I cannot see any useful circumstance where linum and goto-line
should disagree about what line number a given line has. I can see an
argument that some buffers like RMAIL and info might want to start
numbering lines at one for the visible part of the buffer; I see this as
a possible feature request where say a buffer local variable specifies
this behavior.
Note that that feature might be hard to implement correctly because
there is no hook for changing the buffer restriction visible to the
user. That is, even if you believe that feature should be the
default/only behavior, the current code is still broken because changing
the restriction does not update the line numbers correctly.
- Mark
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> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Linum-mode does not work correctly with buffers that have be=
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> narrowed. =C2=A0As a simple example, type ^h i. =C2=A0You will note that =
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> line is assigned line number one. =C2=A0You can verify that this is wrong
> either by using goto-line
Let's hear Markus' opinion, but IMHO that's not necessarily a bug.
Linum's function is to add line numbers, but these do not have to
correspond to buffer lines. For example, nothing stops you from doing
(defvar my-num 1000)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'my-num)
(setq linum-format (lambda (n) (format "%4d" (+ n my-num))))
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:
Linum-mode does not work correctly with buffers that have been
narrowed. As a simple example, type ^h i. You will note that the first
line is assigned line number one. You can verify that this is wrong
either by using goto-line (watch what happens when you try to go to line
10) or widen, which reveals that the first line is actually line number
five.
The bug is the use by linum of line-number-at-pos,
linum.el:129:
(defun linum-update-window (win)
"Update line numbers for the portion visible in window WIN."
(goto-char (window-start win))
(let ((line (line-number-at-pos))
...
<help for line-number-at-pos>:
line-number-at-pos is a compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'.
(line-number-at-pos &optional pos)
Return (narrowed) buffer line number at position pos.
If pos is nil, use current buffer location.
Counting starts at (point-min), so the value refers
to the contents of the accessible portion of the buffer.
A simple fix is to change the line:
linum.el:132:
(let ((line (line-number-at-pos))
to:
(let ((line (save-restriction
(widen)
(line-number-at-pos)))
- Mark
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