Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 17:16:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 13:16:45 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUuFA-0006wb-MT for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:16:44 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:60211) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUuF9-0006wL-2y for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:16:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632762943; bh=h4P1K0JUaLwvW6wMtHUCyfE+RDiTFObiP9lMKwtVjN8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=HE2xaYQ3W5bpM8eXz4FlnqwPSgFZE9tc3z+PPShvmAL/h45UuADoWsm4LLCwdK5Y1 bOsR1ybfohTekFymBp6rPuyfc8OjFpjoeMIos7BG/MzO45IBTS6u5trOBuXsglw5N9 5l2tyLZZdPMMcCgOKFcXziewkCeXMbvJR8vi7DCE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([212.95.5.209]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MJVHU-1mFQhy3t28-00Jq7T; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:15:43 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> <c96ab943-f724-c22c-68b0-61a13fe3a7c5@HIDDEN> <831r5bnqs6.fsf@HIDDEN> <bf837e73-97b2-b218-757a-4f17edb2a69e@HIDDEN> <YVHV5y+yQu0Shzjc@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <13764f90-5a3c-4c0b-d207-f13d3455bdf8@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:15:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <YVHV5y+yQu0Shzjc@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qHdpeDNEb1b0w/DhgPKpYDrPSOZNCJfuOiwWyrxnQ8DSb0bVlLx WEngLZIjap3ZwalBWfJvEM4iHMpOfA2yB6wXjcOw0XKa2I5iaSl5i3f2W/6e0ojtxXjj3Y0 ItUTA3DrLh2/BUU44tuYKVx22YH9QcZ73upskLhMKk7BDAGfxil/LzywBb4FGeLq0jSXWcb Q0kQDLUA5Xd7cRTaetsGw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:saZ2Qaf9RWg=:nc63BuQCI+wMIuCcniNxED nmZWG4HeDWr5GmrIzmtLSKdr3ntokPadWfwdK9rIJgu1EcaGVpgpV7MeeJrt/QSV8PsXntXnP f34fz550Ky0vevGlaUBN3D+U+uKFXi7I8uwnBPknf1zdHPcITiFtNARHRYgWp7iHDdQPWwU0o zeupO0hCX2zofZYqWW73v6qyPe3bnZjNAPS4oaa6NR/fnIL8c+I0GgEJ4NMDDU1iIVoDvFnlf 8+fODvVIKwlnrMXiZlAhC9cAhP72FlDSJidYuHh5Y84AwPsvMR9vj9rKs80HyX5Ur3iEMVivC 757CJgsFIwLyNF6m18zbAcfzO/3NDA9Z/s23rZMuzW34gOFmfPc5z+7imuBfoSOJoztBZ8lA7 qUgpCHdgbr2GVhm+PiER9uW8fP58UEkzUENu6eRurORN6sL+Z/3fEKa3ioAAmqfGRz3xPIXfJ DCaKkSWcou1viu43TjE65Ru70OUlM3AfHAKePEW3mfJSP7miwl6RHg2BLnWhw7zo3LipvM2Fb PEdFEc2s4m/c7qe7S/NcAsAZmAKdMNzlVb0g9v4Id0XpoyWS0kTshMZ3NTUB4am6KHqx2P8Mf nvOb+RJKrS2XvhXZ1Ww8OK6ty1J5S7hGnGxg5kx+Gj7qhkEJ0Z9bnXeHm0BMERPzitlntqfHE f7RMAJLyZFEvKVf8Btnyi5PBPsl5R6CLUrs8+8Viw/56ppGhzxm5sVRZLA4S6UgtAiHZSKzrk tfMpL+z1/dkrsquwDC3tYEAXp4r2danQoE8MRbZMg/DWc71z7vdbwC155e4qztdptrUlE1Bjt qQqZRnfodybUGzHxgWeeSZgvArKWtCy8nrYeUHevdBkYiM61adogqZ+eDQDAih1rIaA7vccAJ 6g1cbMwpoDkmc27e8QsnERT6B/BEDOCrWOJpajQf/yEKc6hLb6qzQm5Zr+dFf0KvWTEuNMkdI RfFOC35GOXEehpw/OOoRMmmw93SflH3tidQd0scpGIPmuasd6DtrfwGvaJxWs4UQH/B5q9XTu uGpsKkjy3ocwMKXnA+RjEh1wbHjBVZDlfw/Z19MgfjW2BweKE0rL8WGnm0vGpd++3VX5JIqO4 pYR0oNlip7xmmo= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, mkupfer@HIDDEN, psainty@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I think you should leave to Window Manager's configuration however > user wants it. Traditionally, we don't do that and I doubt we will as long as X is our major workhorse. We have a sufficient number of bug reports asking us to make Emacs tell the WM where and how to position its top-level windows. Maybe things will change when the pgtk branch has found its way into master. > Let me give you examples: > > - sometimes, I do have a single window (tracking issues) on the top, > and other windows appearing on the bottom, that is called in IceWM > "Focus always on top", so whatever else appears it will appear under > that window. Literally, "Focus always on top" means that the window that has focus is on top of the Z-order and vice versa. This means that you can never type into a window that is not on top - which is the default behavior of most window managers. So if you have chosen that option, you cannot possibly type into a window "partially appearing under the window on top of it" as described below. Right? > - all the time I use mouse based focus, the window under the mouse has > focus, and nothing else; Providing mouse based focus is an arcane art. xfwm here for example takes it too literally so when I have two maximized windows, demaximize the one on top and the mouse cursor is not over the region covered by the demaximized window, the window below gets focus. Similar issues may happen when creating or deleting windows. Good mouse based focus means to keep the mouse on the window that has focus until the user manually moves the mouse and wait for a customizable period for the mouse to rest in some area before selecting another window. I've never seen a WM that does it all right. > - all the time I don't use window raising under the mouse, if window > has the focus, I don't want raising it automatically; often I > overlap windows and do something with it, while I write in the > window below partially appearing under the window on top of it; The issue we discuss here is that the window that has focus is obscured by a window displaying a prompt either completely or at least in the area where the user is typing. While some users may handle that without moving any of the participating windows, let's not assume that everybody is able to do that. martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 14:37:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 10:37:08 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUrkh-000834-OR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:37:08 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:45061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bugs@HIDDEN>) id 1mUrke-00082I-1z for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:37:04 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.87.51.42]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000037FE9.000000006151D709.00000AE9; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:36:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 17:35:38 +0300 From: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt Message-ID: <YVHWuh62G/JwnLw/@protected.localdomain> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, mkupfer@HIDDEN, Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> [2021-09-26 12:23]: > > And if you set server-raise-frame to nil, the "problem" happens in > > both cases, right? > > > > So I'm not sure this is a bug. The user should switch to the correct > > frame to answer the question. On my system, there's a prominent > > indication that the client frame needs my attention, but even if there > > isn't, the user should be vigilant enough to type the response into > > the right frame. > > > > If we do want to somehow raise the frame earlier, we should do it > > conditioned by server-raise-frame, because some users don't want the > > frame to raise and get input focus. But it isn't clear to me where > > would be the correct place to raise the frame "earlier". > > Maybe 'server-raise-frame' does too much when it triggers > 'select-frame-set-input-focus'. Still I consider it a bug when the user > gets prompted and the frame displaying the prompt doesn't have focus. I can fully understand that viewpoint, though there are special users' configuration where focus shall remain all time on specific window or some windows should be always raised, like "on top of everything" and anything else appearing would come under. And I will know when it happens or if there is some problem I will personally know, and I assume that users similar to me would not have real problem with it. Giving you just insights as I use such Window Manager options all the time since years. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 14:37:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 10:37:02 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUrkc-00082l-Dg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:37:02 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:49091) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bugs@HIDDEN>) id 1mUrkb-00082E-5R for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:37:02 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.87.51.42]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000037FE8.000000006151D705.00000AD1; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:36:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 17:32:07 +0300 From: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt Message-ID: <YVHV5y+yQu0Shzjc@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> <c96ab943-f724-c22c-68b0-61a13fe3a7c5@HIDDEN> <831r5bnqs6.fsf@HIDDEN> <bf837e73-97b2-b218-757a-4f17edb2a69e@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <bf837e73-97b2-b218-757a-4f17edb2a69e@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, mkupfer@HIDDEN, psainty@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> [2021-09-27 11:52]: > >> If the Emacs frame is not on top of the terminal frame, my argument is > >> obviously void. > > > > What if the Emacs frame is "near" the terminal frame? > > > > Or what do you mean by "on top of"? > > By "on top of" I mean "substantially" obscuring the terminal frame which > means that the current position of the terminal frame's cursor is not > visible because the Emacs frame covers it. > > It's obvious that Emacs cannot detect that situation by itself (I even > doubt that it would be always possible for it to find out whether it > partially obscures another frame). Hence, if possible, we should > probably try to not produce a situation where an Emacs frame is on top > of another frame and does not have focus. Whether this is always > feasible with all window managers is something I cannot tell. I have tested many Window Managers and I use either IceWM or EmacsWM, now much IceWM. I can tell that my configuration is personal and that window managers have much of the control. If user has configured Window Manager for specific kind of focus than Emacs should not interfere with the users' configurations. For this: > if possible, we should > probably try to not produce a situation > where an Emacs frame is on top of another frame and does not have > focus." I think you should leave to Window Manager's configuration however user wants it. Let me give you examples: - sometimes, I do have a single window (tracking issues) on the top, and other windows appearing on the bottom, that is called in IceWM "Focus always on top", so whatever else appears it will appear under that window. - all the time I use mouse based focus, the window under the mouse has focus, and nothing else; - all the time I don't use window raising under the mouse, if window has the focus, I don't want raising it automatically; often I overlap windows and do something with it, while I write in the window below partially appearing under the window on top of it; Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 08:50:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 04:50:50 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUmLa-0007hg-36 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:50:50 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:43963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUmLY-0007hU-Tq for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:50:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632732628; bh=WoSSAl0KHqfD6quJNuiKynfkNcrjTyNq0CtLW/Fxa1Q=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=F7JPKoTcoVhhKK42MKBk9M+PNll11YnTuE+hJfh8SQYWLQ1Lpy9ElW8VL1GDqwiKQ txqWr2zWBZdxXTRpewzAs9PB+J3BxMpSjdK2TSXjIRyL7rNcOgCVFtqEO54uSpuY5/ 2uTZdyJX1fRQNkBKk6QpaohrfhlbuO5qrq3Vvrb0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([212.95.5.209]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N2V4J-1myipn02et-013uCF; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:50:28 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> <c96ab943-f724-c22c-68b0-61a13fe3a7c5@HIDDEN> <831r5bnqs6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <bf837e73-97b2-b218-757a-4f17edb2a69e@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:50:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <831r5bnqs6.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jTfsYB5MRD9FGpK80PkRNeOTHt2mtbaUdJzIHhqTFleXtw/g1Y8 zLHJLgAN3qzzTKeRW/wi+p2e3iJ2uUWPJOevBnfsLb+KoincWibw5nWd8S4E78/Ck5T0CWz pDgnsgD/xFghuT+VhIfgWnkNjd1SDOEH5GnkjZFzJyv4lYXLMCIO521THaRFsUM0OYTicq3 3hepHpRQkwGW5nnw9PsYQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cMpgqxtBKdg=:WiMIpLInaPyAhT17uVLkFL zNxouTcH0aD8Ass3diFIKUIsxs1YER/K+PWX9rrwb8yuHmVnqA5oBoKA6+xY374aaELRLVg87 85s/sVDbpF2tuQQgHL6fE/sVIhwvjOmeAkP1xTNERdacmDFZ6LBLNr1jYDVwOjzW4sQ/Z6JvT SrIxMU2GyTKR1ZNPnbHIUl/mkQPck6OymVprgI85oEWxuL76a1TzgDULG7K9G5DNblGozqr+2 eYwXxuZJT8KGloS++7zK9jB/CX7BhC81gLkHvQQh1rKIGSo7UFqWEiB14HooxtiBKhUbr+K4D wJnTg6taVkXe2M0XGmjNmD6SWiZrlNpMiidEM3fAbWRSW9FLLvyARR8q/SgFv7p2LPfUWy0jw d7BMLBh9c3rneyHUKwxVplJs035BGFr3EMNOSASWPmGEasVjpSG5t0Fm0UszLLHiHRO6bqjV7 iQOluWHs/uEi60nz962X/kUBBea5DkF+iLvsdGVN/EIsqavgSjM/wlVcvAMHDHx/ipKERat3z fb2kUxgONnoW+XTToKIHG2gZEfcbl+GwTl5IBHBspk9RL7Gh41qxSFwvRBI7MMb93PeBx2bPH 6aLYiGpjytZHLZNBqnqEtHxekDAimxXjbMJADNDm1sAw2kCGiXjRpQR2Sl8JFVeB0GxP0mz4h xblrhgd331o8pCW6Q8azdl6eOh40VY8irfOuvnfLvpFXcXrXSeHMfWOf6LkFkO3CH01erCVzd CRR24qHdSogStAht2xujRMf/ymsQ9Pc8JpPpbt8WV7aOVLggTaDeNQThdzyno0oH1a4IC4T3T 0sN9lNO2PEWaCOdvwUuacr+9DAXIljQrUW18iHErlStiB9mWNEeR4IZ8i+fn/k+BSqrU0WkS6 34A8dYHmtctnHg2L9Hb/6Zvg7RKOTSatLmFdVGEyJokilMndH1gT55nUGhrFsav19c0lEtxxQ JzR7K61U2SPHOaAp7g4YUthRR6jHENoMfMZ99XaoOYwpBY22V6NSlNW33S7jopUTn7JLZl6wO 0f08O5S26PtdoWnIs6iLfeJucXx1Xpd//f8pKBoGU4UkXS1VTSDG3lpDTwXMaVcZQhdsB3b7i nvTfLV88NF79iw= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> If the Emacs frame is not on top of the terminal frame, my argument is >> obviously void. > > What if the Emacs frame is "near" the terminal frame? > > Or what do you mean by "on top of"? By "on top of" I mean "substantially" obscuring the terminal frame which means that the current position of the terminal frame's cursor is not visible because the Emacs frame covers it. It's obvious that Emacs cannot detect that situation by itself (I even doubt that it would be always possible for it to find out whether it partially obscures another frame). Hence, if possible, we should probably try to not produce a situation where an Emacs frame is on top of another frame and does not have focus. Whether this is always feasible with all window managers is something I cannot tell. martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 08:50:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 04:50:26 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUmLB-0007h0-QN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:50:26 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:39769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUmL9-0007gn-BT for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:50:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632732604; bh=Ne2MHwZyT+VgUBmw635NXq0rA7fS3pFwFqQrgawANPs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=I/wuqR9qXnNcdQGBP6qnuUBvjcQUkGyhY+8snq4ReFtN/oOfG3UP+lnPhXiJsGYz0 hunTptDWUMW4/tMHtKAH1Kl6n/wnvCJONdCqFh5dJ5tdHPMz/tdSpWidi4kkDiIn9T MsEj6rVzlhAPeo3Bgi5x9pCvbtxSrf+YgLpszpLI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([212.95.5.209]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MDQeU-1mfGBO0FWg-00AYcM; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:50:04 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <16835.1632678712@alto> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <fb5bf86c-0ff7-d90a-8443-9fbfcc0d7f77@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:50:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16835.1632678712@alto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T0sabGXDkIxpd/hn7adysEhUDeYTnD+vrvyFlRfgzADK/6mQ8gX w3sEdJJ+FTxKPXZuVNczz1oP8oY+AoWNIJAWO7z6dO+b6wBhXZuEWqhwzz0Dtjui0TSLggD OfPApKmUzmmNQl/e9uTG+LFDmSjp4JKVII1PYKzQTf5lcJHQNtbzG9pQ7WaSYstzBn41t49 QKkiF3B6VNXSecU2Tbn/w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:5riPL1TQpfM=:7MITJmsspsaSAcuKiTlz3N HeKuwcGhxkZHU7WPUfkhUkpd436imnklHZg8zvN/qQ/xSciyEQznHafdis5NkvYIPn/IivG3x i4b3beL7qi5EjFj+LYGiU+n1JjHtFGxqVONOu/dmlJ0H0JSED/Ng2AjuwfGfLrwzH840o5f8C 4BWIC+Clmrs106r0ShAud/dbdrsRkzzMDvf/sZXVs1YZwDfo1vLPyJNRfSP0N9pTJzMTv6RSK 5XgoUc3hC0Y63ELrIIRF2W0qEcX0pqvGRFTPQCOBN6u56D6wBTRzsaPnI1Rbsr4T0PpeLgF2h E+V8sJIpAzHysbtJZJLrhZTqL7N0Fonzn3FSK62xJpIPrmJvJ3c1VupNjbC0Ab7Vhe17mHZ47 QFnfgnU5D8P5XZW8zXauPGkWFCBugKfTINUTAqoeKR7xYfNhrWm2me3OKfO7r9G/6ClWhqgP5 34C4L+/puYZKBf4TBIt6pj62qRQsVEyIybdypA9UD80xZ2L9Z53RV9bjm1JOhTB11ACp/LxlF R4r8qSVhkmwRFJH346yDpwOFE0udyMuMN1RcTiKbocJX56EyA8vDxRewOv4P8IsGDNeLuQ2dG rC4kGi8kxqDuEPCwAfPbmBdK2Qx/VA2cINPiPCQDgT00tqOvzlQndLn4yauJxBji2QvSB8G+K nPo44jIuWUEV9iOJ6i8Vj5NepiojxskHthJjS5Tjl06F/LYmA3rllSew7S9Bcd9EqKGnIYqHz HKTaruRo3phawuFkTxXzqIS2OgptCrBK9nKz5LFd9dKuz7gorAO69jjYnWn8Bo5Hm356HH3Fx dxWx4t1ettkh9g53XDX0gMsLNYkQRbGPGJQuooPSsh3Wbgq0whCOCvRk9U3JhWnfFLr4msTvh PkBJQquwxdXElCALfi0wm3/7nn01SBhP0ccmJ3ZKWgTWh6jYyNTZocA0h+97wA2TgeZNrib0c I/GPi4xgJRGlaHE3N3BMkZRVR6NJZoKPPvHrPM/2lN2EC/cKSxafGroTZNbNfyjjcc+K68dQj S4fzc29bc60gxopXXgtvGIXyMb/aAbM0JwOjRMVoB+RQ9qDFIx7nUOQJbY0813alqqVfUmzjq 1UbTax/KsoROt4= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Still, if I have "focus stealing prevention" set to None, the Emacs > frame is raised in both the prompting case and the non-prompting case, > but the input focus is handled differently in the two cases. Raising > the frame but not getting the input focus doesn't seem right to me. "Focus stealing" is not a well-defined behavior and "preventing" it is even less so. It may depend on whether the focus-stealing window was formerly nonexistent, invisible or iconified and/or whether the window stems from the same application, executable or process. Focus may also depend on whether mouse movement can determine which window gets focus and whether that window should be raised too when it gets focus. All this is additionally complicated by the fact that there are no APIs an application can use to tell which policy has been set up to decide how it should behave. But in general, any application's focus stealing behavior has been set up by the user - compliantly or intentionally. In particular, we all agree that Emacs may steal focus from itself since otherwise popping up a second frame would never allow that frame to get focus immediately. But we probably are not sure whether running a timer or reacting to a file notification should make Emacs pop up a new frame and give it focus - the policy here will depend on the case at hand. Note also that desktop managers like GNOME shell do not show a taskbar any more, so they cannot even pulse the icon of the application requesting focus there as, for example, Windows usually does in such case. Finally, Wayland seems to ignore requests to transfer focus in any case. So applications may have to change their attitude wrt newer backends, desktops and user behaviors in order to not fall behind or even be regarded as hostile. That said, I agree with Mike when he says that "Raising the frame but not getting the input focus doesn't seem right to me". Emacs should try its best to to not drive the user into such a situation. martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:48:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 00:48:33 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39398 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUiZ1-0006yB-RH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:48:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiYz-0006xg-UA for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:48:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43068) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiYu-0000Ho-IO; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:48:20 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4734 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiYu-00056X-5Z; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:48:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:48:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7e6mxns.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <28385.1632694083@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:08:03 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <28385.1632694083@alto> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, rudalics@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> > cc: rudalics@HIDDEN, psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, > 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:08:03 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Like I said: an obscure use case with weird window arrangement. > > Perhaps for a desktop system with a decent size display. I don't find > it all that obscure for a small laptop. I think the only reason I've > never seen this issue before is because I typically use "emacsclient > -c". > > But if fixing Dan's scenario is likely to introduce a regression for > some other scenario, well, I understand. Sometimes it's better for > users to develop a workaround for a known bug than it is to keep > introducing new bugs. Yes, exactly. To clarify: if someone comes up with a clearly safe change to avoid this situation, I won't object. It's just that we were burned in the past when we tried to change the order server.el does things when showing a new file, so any significant changes in that area is from my POV a non-starter.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:43:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 00:43:11 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUiTv-0004cy-FI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:43:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiTo-0004c7-Jq for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:43:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiTi-0004AH-BJ; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:58 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4388 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUiTh-0002R1-Uq; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:43:01 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilymmxwq.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87o88f83ko.5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:49:43 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> <c96ab943-f724-c22c-68b0-61a13fe3a7c5@HIDDEN> <87o88f83ko.5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, rudalics@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, > mkupfer@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:49:43 +0800 > > It's even worse than > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f5RxLNnpdI > Your girlfriend's picture now completely covers your wife's. > So naturally you assume you are now talking to your girlfriend. I'd be very glad to talk to my girlfriend, who is also my wife.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 22:08:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 18:08:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38940 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUcJf-0004c1-UP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 18:08:12 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:13596 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUcJe-0004bs-TT for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 18:08:11 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18QM84aY023012 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:26:45 +0300." <83zgrzmbve.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28384.1632694083.1@alto> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:08:03 -0700 Message-ID: <28385.1632694083@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, rudalics@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Like I said: an obscure use case with weird window arrangement. Perhaps for a desktop system with a decent size display. I don't find it all that obscure for a small laptop. I think the only reason I've never seen this issue before is because I typically use "emacsclient -c". But if fixing Dan's scenario is likely to introduce a regression for some other scenario, well, I understand. Sometimes it's better for users to develop a workaround for a known bug than it is to keep introducing new bugs. cheers, mike
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 18:26:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 14:26:59 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUYrW-0003Vv-3x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:26:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52402) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUYrU-0003Vg-2y for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:26:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUYrN-0007BR-Qf; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:26:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2614 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUYrM-0000Rr-8P; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:26:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:26:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83zgrzmbve.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <16835.1632678712@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:51:52 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <16835.1632678712@alto> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, rudalics@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN>, psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, > 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN > From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:51:52 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0200 > > > > IIUC this issue is about a frame displayed on top of the terminal > > > window. > > > > Is it? That's not my understanding. My understanding is that this > > happens when the client frame already exists when emacsclient is > > invoked, so it's probably elsewhere. > > It could be elsewhere, but in Dan's scenario, the terminal window and > Emacs frame are over each other. And the exact behavior in that > situation varies depending on the window manager. Like I said: an obscure use case with weird window arrangement. And we are supposed to cater to it because...? > If I run the experiment in MATE, with Emacs behind mate-terminal, and > run "emacsclient /tmp/m" (from Phil's example) in mate-terminal, the > mate-terminal window stays on top and retains the input focus. > > But if I repeat the experiment in KDE, with Emacs behind mate-terminal > (or Konsole), Emacs is brought to the top, hiding the terminal emulator, > even though the terminal emulator still has the input focus. But even > that depends on what settings I have in KDE. The behavior I just > described is with "focus stealing prevention" set to None. If I set it > to Low, the terminal emulator window remains in top (and retains the > focus). > > Still, if I have "focus stealing prevention" set to None, the Emacs > frame is raised in both the prompting case and the non-prompting case, > but the input focus is handled differently in the two cases. Raising > the frame but not getting the input focus doesn't seem right to me. There's limit to what Emacs can do with different policies regarding raising the frames and redirecting input focus that different WMs can apply. Users should be aware of what is happening on their systems, and if some WM tricks them, my advice is to switch to another WM. I'm definitely not interested in starting yet another adventure in changing the order of things server.el does to pop up the buffer, because of such weird and unpredictable situations. We are going to break more things than we fix. We've been there in Emacs 26, I can show the bruises. No, thanks.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 17:52:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 13:52:02 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38707 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUYJm-0000Tr-Ce for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:52:02 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:36071 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUYJj-0000TP-Px for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:52:00 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18QHpqJq088547 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:03:40 +0300." <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16834.1632678712.1@alto> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: <16835.1632678712@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0200 > > IIUC this issue is about a frame displayed on top of the terminal > > window. > > Is it? That's not my understanding. My understanding is that this > happens when the client frame already exists when emacsclient is > invoked, so it's probably elsewhere. It could be elsewhere, but in Dan's scenario, the terminal window and Emacs frame are over each other. And the exact behavior in that situation varies depending on the window manager. If I run the experiment in MATE, with Emacs behind mate-terminal, and run "emacsclient /tmp/m" (from Phil's example) in mate-terminal, the mate-terminal window stays on top and retains the input focus. But if I repeat the experiment in KDE, with Emacs behind mate-terminal (or Konsole), Emacs is brought to the top, hiding the terminal emulator, even though the terminal emulator still has the input focus. But even that depends on what settings I have in KDE. The behavior I just described is with "focus stealing prevention" set to None. If I set it to Low, the terminal emulator window remains in top (and retains the focus). Still, if I have "focus stealing prevention" set to None, the Emacs frame is raised in both the prompting case and the non-prompting case, but the input focus is handled differently in the two cases. Raising the frame but not getting the input focus doesn't seem right to me. mike
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 17:50:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 13:50:28 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUYIG-0000RP-2U for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:50:28 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:48647) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUYID-0000RA-VW for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:50:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632678608; bh=8jpKJKuM6pVOSxjMegeuWH8s+1rb+JOaDa68+FwbC1c=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=W7oHf3Fwth8Wm8DHeje0dvgnf67xFFlRo3ItZybqeGIduuzNiO4RC1Npu1Y7KOVDf zJEwVocf3Rq107BwHKye091pDpXuY8WZ2Kaz4RkH6vKqXY0J351yMLJ/2IjKBe9ctJ cZvAshap/bfKkQbokrKbglLXcwjzfCFAMPs2BQhI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.87]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MXXuB-1mLVSr41lv-00YwCA; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 19:50:07 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <c96ab943-f724-c22c-68b0-61a13fe3a7c5@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 19:50:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:P14g1/Ke8lXLogH4KF99qVgwLGbdrMTQvYAxXTVTeZw9MrV7L4/ 36M6k4FT3sx0H1rhAqrCfk6p7akDE3x0R3tYKXAXN34WwkJJuJbnB1dOnP5S/FIelGHJTUm l19HGhlBx6xOZ1vo4sXzTEo5FM3xDVDHp0GvsFZc4JBxvoCPBVOTFvJa2unCSg/7N+yWFmY dl2ipB2BvHbXzcuXofmPg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lA/dLzrd4B8=:aX0SlPDTy/fMDoGQLZ8kdT wSYQKq9ORfMikU/eIxBgRb1B5P4Jqyx4y10LW0IQDoKUPrYnkiWqhA7Pt2D4Z2SMBTK4wKrN8 R0BgZUZDoq8lvsCu1/2EdvdAziWjp70rHctXvCj1KKiWpf7QQpifFVaOdzdf253DIDT5+cHyb gKsex2QLubtDw9ZLZWBJnNZ1N303qaQorcTVj1yneZR5oZLRejiE3HVCl2LJQlKo+DL1pVWQg 7VUksnXQwtVG4sC5QtWi7kce3LC8ztfbVDsreNhTM2IgjX0w2c+R+tbDUexWIxIM7EmVm8Z8J Ut9LtERDTZa4byDldKb2//klbumwKrNpGDlTAZLaDOyvwUJ6Agi+KoBngIgSrx7OKfe+RPugw DbSMC4o++U6kfVd7rpNkgqlhk/OTfizLgZCBxIZmp86sbD0Dgf5/Vgv7iIH8LXIbCDFbtfBVf qLoJRh7V41gB3qkw4r5zAcBjdtClEPuF8onwLsEzQGjEvO+rCgZoP5D5QSTllUiPCfAcqAWvL k9j2GnVLwosZec6nU1s9KYG5tAlGo82vhZegAC07iD3vj6Hch59S25IOpQhzvvcFM5rFbGOa5 xxQht/v6ONFkcx7ALWZB7GypriEnf0JkoTQzmmdwqfZTGM6w8elJrz6DmqAbREoj96dW7FVWI DmPQI000tSCEkq9NbgpzgtNKstY2nc0yxEg90aKfQ08iYO96wROZl8S1zxj2DpMSsCv7l6zhg Ch4z9u5xry0x6H2rzbondhp9t6isvtQmnr7h5SJhKkzDf4pa+56mXZ/CNYJE+U5Y7LY8Qag5G vKbkDf/XhQkoaBjt5NrEH6zTBHO8LXH/RmDmNXE6Dnm5HXe5l/OWE7aviJfFlKjaV4b0WwJ07 xqscb3qffEO1xCkZ72q31z83Mo4o/jMXXjt91ftK66ibpmjRkauBQfpFejb7uMjWd1Co1fKkb 6OkKTlBNqZt/CGW8GwS6WnzvjkW53wYuNETG5H6k5wyOeQyFg0AHzH5VdEon8DiqVOi230ner VWzVkMH42GKn+vp+1OPryISDYEdUtbgQJJJmB8cK9krw8A15vtzF44001IYOBQryIVJDH0Q/y Zzca8PF8Z8VCzM= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> IIUC this issue is about a frame displayed on top of the terminal >> window. > > Is it? That's not my understanding. My understanding is that this > happens when the client frame already exists when emacsclient is > invoked, so it's probably elsewhere. If the Emacs frame is not on top of the terminal frame, my argument is obviously void. martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 17:02:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 13:02:39 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUXXz-0007c3-5t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:02:39 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:51701 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUXXx-0007bs-De for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:02:38 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18QH2UWH084496 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:25:31 +0300." <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14603.1632675750.1@alto> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:02:30 -0700 Message-ID: <14604.1632675750@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > And if you set server-raise-frame to nil, the "problem" happens in > both cases, right? Yes, that's what I see. mike
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 11:03:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 07:03:59 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mURwn-00024l-Gs for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:03:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mURwk-00024T-JY for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:03:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mURwc-0007mm-BI; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:03:43 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2200 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mURwb-00011c-Qa; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:03:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:03:40 +0300 Message-Id: <83ee9boayb.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, mkupfer@HIDDEN, > 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0200 > > >> I consider it a bug when the user gets prompted and the frame > >> displaying the prompt doesn't have focus. > > > > I don't, FWIW. When exactly to switch focus is deeply personal. > > E.g., imagine that emacsclient is called while I'm still typing > > something into the original terminal window. > > > > In a windowed environment, it is IMO the user's duty to be aware of > > the input focus and switch it as needed. > > IIUC this issue is about a frame displayed on top of the terminal > window. Is it? That's not my understanding. My understanding is that this happens when the client frame already exists when emacsclient is invoked, so it's probably elsewhere.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 10:00:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 06:00:07 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUQx5-0006cq-8q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 06:00:07 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:48131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUQx3-0006bB-6w for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 06:00:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632650384; bh=WDbZF0oY+TUD/s34yctPra9J53QK7s+AVLSjpnA9Az4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QdjLh+AdRDKGpckJcFqbaw4mPHHPqqS6so3V+UEN8t8DALd+RwFckHgvrQI4lAmFD EzgwGme7772YGYLRigFCSwZJliZGxnsXXDoRx8mfM7yQ+VNxhTMl4c8vEjQX39Qoix NLYI6mr6ZHf2icFXn45v4OpTb/XW8Q/jAoTlFFsw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.179]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N7zFj-1mrNeV087X-0150kq; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:44 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <0ea4794d-29a8-899a-f3f5-278d7275867d@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:59:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6+eFsw0DHqjNLiqjcKXnAiNNvA5mqik+Tjve+m+qTzgASbyD8Rh 2OKABvacZRFiivWhHKOOlgpdj84Q4H5oabkxToeii1IrxaafiuTsAcKQmCeHdzPHgxzQ4VZ pNsWn8Jxwt9LGo8WWUqUPYkOLTUqvuNnwJjWZd66wrpZacOYvWoeU79pm7/bLyWgpj3/vjS QQEo2glh03SXnb9cJ9DvA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:MnUJvYFtW14=:x0DPD5rheWnO519fABtWJa CxC0tnSvNddqJAeBMZzs6fLkYSbq0fEBTChVMjR5ZU6+6MgtYKkK3ehDrgjSFjhhRdaWIvExu +P+hG8lYYy1vMxO7yXVja400bXdWEX1anqc0AGBTWgFfeixVTGKMPwvd7VVZrlBPYyBJGjpBd l6RXG1TMpbY68FTndTE3KTrqtk9lJ/rBAjdZVEY7/tkl5tp3TfbhkEC0OddcSMJpj79GRvxF5 VhYaQQ498lVFWW5Sct7qoKmxHqNpEwlqb3ELk3+M9nGEWW0NV6yZ024MW/cDAY+TWHSdmOmiK UJcxC2CG2Jr6O6zkrCOkgw0jxhk5apR5C6yxVQMk6b4ZpuLRgrKzgkZq5Er5BCGixGF1yZleI 1IidRzbJv3tJt+WAnk0RIq89JNgjKA3/w7/dCShEWbRfqK1nK//kOC5y2LmB62oD2zycjZeOp 4Qhq8xTNBMkZV8CiUr+iNQM0NJJM2nhX9s0NvbMgu3y5Q9nviH6N7Y6orRp5VZhCxvThH9VVL FYcX5VsEB1maaqIngjCnDXOWPHgqH1lfoTAvBLn3PYP6Y3/Bq6SS4/uVdG/hCxuWCW2z5WdvU UbBbjH+3JjH/MshGrdFWRU2VaFFJtvNssI5ri3s0i+saH7fIxVQ1/WDr7rTHNKlxcW3H56TfH R51THijAz9SXlwKw3aJw9BRdUGHfbAi4JUN1cvD407tGV6xHCrQLLzxCSL7AWbKl6/PA5xiwf fD4BfVwbzXQ1QlCIgRvhNsEhiwFgeiZAr0ykYsBk/GJOzDzDq+2rLVJdFpPSYbuZBj0lC8d+r Mo3L4Z53lZ0SUNJsMqexbxQOS0CU5vIeEXMCQ2e9PtttFl/qi7hjTTpuqnD2we7JR5qmX3UZC OVtjc0HDfTujjOo786FJDGeF7K2lC+DI6fn2Nvc1Rrtv7cNfJWGAUgmCBqXdyDy655GkZRvLq KZMm0K+G2pt9X8qWvx9PTe0jlz8F0KPTu05zdt+QzcAnLhG1njt2aYEXZ3cNTe7c8MkZcDxwx 4u2ztHnLcJyYkEIFa592KmclNYD2/KzPK3jOW/KhxS6xtORjU8sNB4JhTpaFR6PPd0Xy/JS2x V7Gnss0ZTwq3as= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I consider it a bug when the user gets prompted and the frame >> displaying the prompt doesn't have focus. > > I don't, FWIW. When exactly to switch focus is deeply personal. > E.g., imagine that emacsclient is called while I'm still typing > something into the original terminal window. > > In a windowed environment, it is IMO the user's duty to be aware of > the input focus and switch it as needed. IIUC this issue is about a frame displayed on top of the terminal window. While some people are capable of typing into a window they don't see, we shouldn't ask arbitrary users to do that. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 09:20:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 05:20:09 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUQKL-0003Cf-67 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:20:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUQKI-0003C2-Ez for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:20:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUQKC-0004wt-CA; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:19:56 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3651 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUQKB-0001YH-Oe; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:19:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 12:19:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilynofra.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:12:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, mkupfer@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > jidanni@HIDDEN > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:12:05 +0200 > > I consider it a bug when the user gets prompted and the frame > displaying the prompt doesn't have focus. I don't, FWIW. When exactly to switch focus is deeply personal. E.g., imagine that emacsclient is called while I'm still typing something into the original terminal window. In a windowed environment, it is IMO the user's duty to be aware of the input focus and switch it as needed.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 09:12:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 05:12:28 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUQCx-0002xz-VW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:12:28 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:54653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1mUQCw-0002xk-S5 for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:12:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632647527; bh=x0G/j4MaZZqE/SyKPf9j69QIFNFCca1Bdi20kdaacbc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=JSFecwNmo8/0DZLTpcpDkCFwdRY/zjurH8K7P9izXoXsSUu0eeexsiKnemGcxsCD/ AkL21JTjXEtMixTXh3kdtbadLGrQnjehS5jHWsgeLEOsB2OC7KULW5SYfT8+yg69Ui iJgbruXOSfKEGaOkXruIcGpLUDoPadGoGMdLyp48= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.179]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mq2jC-1n8eph0HEA-00nCp2; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:12:07 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <6d2a81e7-778f-719f-9a35-04a8ef388366@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 11:12:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3apV3qJFmm6fwkokfHGzs5FsnBhhkdOKrM1+e2pm+N7Rs/fYRly IcjFvQGz5qdoqw7BcT7dKAfcyc5ssvuDHexrzE47ouNfORnrNHxny0WKb16l05IOFwvFkJ6 Xq1hyt/gqTz5G1oslDQg4yasTWD1rR1llQ2YMjfFUM7iXYPVnmoMn7QLPZe7ZahNh+I/05Y HybSdCRFGSYeAtuH0EQNg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:zHYxueca498=:mUV2IrIXvM1uI8efoZOwUn okwNdwbdEH3vjAhybWHByIx0rqsGVaqqwUUmNOpaDkiVEvJSsAJyhLoPRVLzgKO46iq8gPsjd APfQPvdM7WISMh5Din/xF5lyVEcRyPORCepfpgIUU/Q/irk9bomFO8bJS8Y8iq3KRGokqrrf7 XKDsgENUF8mt4k0lg9UVpi1pqLGXt+IzqqBVuMDUl/kqzaZhbBGMlf5K/HknfGCc9D31yOElm kXVZ5TjD2UPfsqPmgUXfEc6RsDyTyH2gnP3hnwdsCVbkN1MbjwoYJY0XdCZvkDmu5ddrmvH5o l66efCsFceycrXdedzGZnoqii6Vc7M+NvjQrYCSalsXB3FCfcm0+tcpy88T5Imaan5EtrsYBR q8jQGT1u+jpFXPtljaxmO1M9nUEcRbGfzfmS0rWj+SSYFnIKp6urHQNQ0dbyACsaHHCSKz1LU +hSnV4dl0ZKBk5uff2q60jCtFbQyGJfnUGUA/mY7ILUgwbMe4mwxrl0zkldol4ocxM0Eu22Fs UcMxHOVqcX886BZBwYnF2zzkaYN/Aax5ybhlNHNSqViorBCYV/gJJYoH+aJMhb08d7HtNVAoI U+CsX774XiASw8j4RIOsp0AMEHmX89ksf3xJU/lZZcVOERwv2MEyl6hDTh7pb4MCmKZD+sllB PdCPIPc18PpZwtpU+zhqv7htBK3cQOeQ1FvgNaZON1ERv/9ALDpl4hKOh3J7odqyA8/1OxvPK kTOKqw/10XnaGe1CT/yBfhDSFYlrxA0LmnDMZ65YLNainFDeZX0DCqQuUJQeHvZ8c8aT5jeJx nT19CxIN+N2nL0HaXH1/gXI9IdfszBikQZJStS2zA5gx2Eko6NvNOrivtGD6cWlVFiQg77NHE z9vZiduciqailfpjRKJwqPGIkC4zXXcxwp4ik+aaqC3kZUddqxRgey3vTLYVH1hTQ0e6rfron xKUySIfREJyLiV/WFskyMYP9UogymfKYX0C/5M37f9/UIbaGU+q4GYZ0mmKwlyc7DguVqIt7U ltRuYx70pecHW9vQPQtFKhGCQ9oa13xMjqHd66+9z7hDduqr/y4Dv7Wu+TUkymkWp0tuIYJ4R Dd6wr5MJfj471k= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > And if you set server-raise-frame to nil, the "problem" happens in > both cases, right? > > So I'm not sure this is a bug. The user should switch to the correct > frame to answer the question. On my system, there's a prominent > indication that the client frame needs my attention, but even if there > isn't, the user should be vigilant enough to type the response into > the right frame. > > If we do want to somehow raise the frame earlier, we should do it > conditioned by server-raise-frame, because some users don't want the > frame to raise and get input focus. But it isn't clear to me where > would be the correct place to raise the frame "earlier". Maybe 'server-raise-frame' does too much when it triggers 'select-frame-set-input-focus'. Still I consider it a bug when the user gets prompted and the frame displaying the prompt doesn't have focus. martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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charset="UTF-8" If, for some reason, you want the user to type his response into the shell, and not emacs, then print the question in the shell, and not emacs. --000000000000c597de05cce11c15 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" <div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra">If, for some reason, you want the user to type his response into the shell, and not emacs, then print the question in the shell, and not emacs.</div></div></div> --000000000000c597de05cce11c15--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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charset="UTF-8" As the prompt is security-related in the first place, you might as well treat the response with the same amount of security as you would with a password, and make double sure that it goes to emacs, on all systems, and not somewhere else. --000000000000231e6105cce0f8fb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto">As the prompt is = security-related in the first place, you might as well treat the response w= ith the same amount of security as you would with a password, and make doub= le sure that it goes to emacs, on all systems, and not somewhere else.</div= ></div> --000000000000231e6105cce0f8fb--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 07:12:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 03:12:13 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35633 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUOKX-00068I-KN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:12:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35816) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUOKV-000685-Hk for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:12:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUOKQ-0008AN-1H; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:12:02 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3488 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUOKP-0006nR-9D; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:12:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:12:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtnzolod.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87a6jzg748.8.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:53:43 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6jzg748.8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> > Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, mkupfer@HIDDEN, > larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:53:43 +0800 > > EZ> So I'm not sure this is a bug. The user should switch to the correct > EZ> frame to answer the question. On my system, there's a prominent > EZ> indication that the client frame needs my attention... > > Well like when the elevator door opens, we assume we are stepping into > the elevator and not just the shaft. > > Or when we go to the bathroom we assume we are really in the bathroom. > > ... Please make sure it works for everybody. It works for everybody already, assuming they have their eyes on the screen and not on some imaginary shaft or bathroom. We had our share of "bug" reports from you, whereby trying to cater to some obscure use case got us in much greater trouble all over the place, which then took non-trivial efforts to recover from. So please forgive me if I'm skeptical that this is really an Emacs problem and not a case of cockpit error, when such reports come from you.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 06:53:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 02:53:55 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUO2t-0003UO-2q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:53:55 -0400 Received: from dog.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.48]:43724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <jidanni@HIDDEN>) id 1mUO2q-0003UF-4Z for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:53:53 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@HIDDEN Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C9D5412EB; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 06:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-17-22.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.17.22]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 17A7F54174E; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 06:53:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@HIDDEN Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.17.22 (trex/6.4.3); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 06:53:50 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@HIDDEN X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Stop-Arithmetic: 4394b59d4cdfdfd1_1632639230357_2963978760 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1632639230357:1745009326 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1632639230356 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33C084141; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 23:53:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=9TzbJcwWQGkGgaLjfEOydCmh6uw=; b=d25BMZfkakePc NYhjh+/PUwpWxtVfR2IRm+Mq8lPkhdDKYMQHi7mc/XnDr04AHwHuECi+dQ22zquU GdkTUdx03/zUrC3xOPu3B1hOyLVJDmRmgihVC4KMPODBJU7KqAnvpCRw/+aQt6B0 4n9SIXRLWpXm0YuG/HZISVY8/Wc0SI= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-39-108.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.39.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@HIDDEN) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89BB98074D; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 23:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a74 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:53:43 +0800 Message-ID: <87a6jzg748.8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) EZ> So I'm not sure this is a bug. The user should switch to the correct EZ> frame to answer the question. On my system, there's a prominent EZ> indication that the client frame needs my attention... Well like when the elevator door opens, we assume we are stepping into the elevator and not just the shaft. Or when we go to the bathroom we assume we are really in the bathroom. ... Please make sure it works for everybody.
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 06:26:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 02:26:00 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUNbs-0000aU-3f for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:26:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUNbq-0000aI-VY for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:25:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUNbk-0003jI-Vf; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:25:52 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4630 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1mUNbP-0006zD-OE; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 02:25:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:25:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83zgrzontw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> (message from Phil Sainty on Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300) Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt References: <25731.1632610542@alto> <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, jidanni@HIDDEN, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300 > From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> > > The key appears to be whether or not we're using a pre-existing > client frame. If a new frame is created, the problem does not > occur (for me). If we're switching to a pre-existing frame, then > I can reproduce the problem. > > Here's an alternative recipe: > > emacs -Q --daemon=bug50743 # start a new server > emacsclient -sbug50743 -c & # create a GUI frame > emacsclient -sbug50743 <file> > > If <file> contains file-local variables then the pre-existing > client frame does not get focus; but otherwise it does. And if you set server-raise-frame to nil, the "problem" happens in both cases, right? So I'm not sure this is a bug. The user should switch to the correct frame to answer the question. On my system, there's a prominent indication that the client frame needs my attention, but even if there isn't, the user should be vigilant enough to type the response into the right frame. If we do want to somehow raise the frame earlier, we should do it conditioned by server-raise-frame, because some users don't want the frame to raise and get input focus. But it isn't clear to me where would be the correct place to raise the frame "earlier".
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 02:58:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 22:58:03 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUKMd-0007Yg-F1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:58:03 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:40561 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUKMb-0007YF-D7 for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:58:01 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18Q2vsa4013107 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> To: 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: My message of "Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:19:13 -0700." <31537.1632615553@alto> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: <32453.1632625073@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) And in case it helps narrow down where things are going haywire: I can also reproduce the problem on MacOS (11.6, NS build of Emacs 27.2). mike
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 02:48:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 22:48:28 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35264 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUKDM-0007LX-Jd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:48:28 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:11599 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUKDK-0007LO-OR for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:48:27 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18Q2mJfm012450 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300." <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: <32074.1632624498@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Phil Sainty wrote: > The key appears to be whether or not we're using a pre-existing > client frame. If a new frame is created, the problem does not > occur (for me). If we're switching to a pre-existing frame, then > I can reproduce the problem. Yes, that matches what I'm seeing. mike
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 00:34:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 20:34:20 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35159 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUI7Y-00047b-IY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:34:20 -0400 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:38503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mUI7X-00047T-8B for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:34:19 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=46862 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mUI7P-0000RG-E2; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:34:11 +1300 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: <25731.1632610542@alto> References: <25731.1632610542@alto> Message-ID: <b75b3aca7e6204b7812cf37a02e1d173@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC_Dan_Jacobson?= <jidanni@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-09-26 11:55, Mike Kupfer wrote: > I don't use icewm, but I can reproduce the problem with MATE, > using either the marco window manager or Openbox, on Debian 10. Thanks for confirming Mike. I can now reproduce this as well. (In fact I'd failed to follow the correct recipe previously, and was side-stepping the issue.) The key appears to be whether or not we're using a pre-existing client frame. If a new frame is created, the problem does not occur (for me). If we're switching to a pre-existing frame, then I can reproduce the problem. Here's an alternative recipe: emacs -Q --daemon=bug50743 # start a new server emacsclient -sbug50743 -c & # create a GUI frame emacsclient -sbug50743 <file> If <file> contains file-local variables then the pre-existing client frame does not get focus; but otherwise it does. I tested with both: M-x add-file-local-variable M-x add-file-local-variable-prop-line -Phil
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 00:19:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 20:19:25 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35140 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUHt7-0001Zd-PO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:19:25 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:64654 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUHt5-0001ZU-UI for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:19:24 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18Q0JDir001556 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:55:42 -0700." <25731.1632610542@alto> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <31537.1632615553@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Mike Kupfer wrote: > I can reproduce the problem with MATE I can also reproduce the problem on KDE. But not Xfce, i3, or Cinnamon. mike
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 22:55:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 18:55:56 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35082 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mUGaK-0007rf-IV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:55:56 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:54624 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mkupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1mUGaJ-0007rX-4M for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 18PMtmk9094378 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:02:06 +1300." <42ea28f27a881494a7eb8915810fd07c@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.2 From: Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: <25731.1632610542@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Phil Sainty wrote: > Perhaps another icewm user will be able to reproduce the issue. I don't use icewm, but I can reproduce the problem with MATE, using either the marco window manager or Openbox, on Debian 10. I can reproduce it with Emacs 27.2 (Lucid) built from source and with the Emacs 26.1 (GTK) that is bundled with Debian 10. I can also reproduce it with Emacs master built earlier this year (git hash 13b247c3c4). > Are you saying that if you create a second file, /tmp/m2 which does > *not* have any file-local variables, and you go to your terminal and > run "emacsclient /tmp/m2" and type "y" that it inserts the character > "y" into the "m2" buffer; but if you run "emacsclient /tmp/m" which > has the file-local var and you type "y" it gets inserted into the > terminal window? And you are doing everything else exactly the same > way, so that the sole difference between the two tests is that whether > or not the file has a file-local variable? Yes. And yes, in the /tmp/m case, the mate-terminal window still has the focus. regards, mike
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 14:02:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 10:02:21 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mU8Fr-0007tQ-6E for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:02:21 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:55237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mU8Fo-0007tG-DV for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:02:13 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=54353 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mU8Fj-0000uu-1h; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:02:07 +1300 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:02:06 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:02:06 +1300 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC_Dan_Jacobson?= <jidanni@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: <87v92opzxj.8.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <8735pwpdrm.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yustkd1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilyr978n.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b911a49a1a8575e03facf44e76ba0eb@HIDDEN> <87h7ea8285.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <92e14cf18362d4ecbd0d8fc250d25a8e@HIDDEN> <87o88hthj6.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2bb3741071370ba88a1421263ccdbb44@HIDDEN> <87k0j5cilr.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <ace1ab256334674214e4174988a47ca8@HIDDEN> <87v92opzxj.8.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <42ea28f27a881494a7eb8915810fd07c@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2021-09-26 01:06, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: > PS> Which version of icewm are you using? > > Installed: 2.7.0-1 The icewm site indicates this is the latest version. > PS> Are you able to test with a different window manager? > > Sorry, I recently tried to replace nodm/icewm and failed. It would be > much easier for some younger user to just test the problem with icewm. I've no idea what anyone's age has to do with it. Perhaps another icewm user will be able to reproduce the issue. -Phil
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Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 08:33:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 04:33:22 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60251 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mU37a-0000XI-2Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:33:22 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:38253) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mU37X-0000X9-IT for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:33:20 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=54661 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mU37S-0003G0-Ok; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:33:14 +1200 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:33:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:33:14 +1200 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC_Dan_Jacobson?= <jidanni@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: <87k0j5cilr.5.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <8735pwpdrm.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yustkd1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilyr978n.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b911a49a1a8575e03facf44e76ba0eb@HIDDEN> <87h7ea8285.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <92e14cf18362d4ecbd0d8fc250d25a8e@HIDDEN> <87o88hthj6.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2bb3741071370ba88a1421263ccdbb44@HIDDEN> <87k0j5cilr.5.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <ace1ab256334674214e4174988a47ca8@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) That does sound very strange. I don't know anything about icewm but a quick search turned up https://github.com/bbidulock/icewm/issues/37 although that is probably too old? Which version of icewm are you using? I note that _NET_WM_USER_TIME appears in the Emacs code in the x_set_no_focus_on_map() function, but none of these details are very meaningful to me, and they may not be relevant. Are you able to test with a different window manager? -Phil
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In reality it is exactly on top of the shell window. I have also shrunk it to make the screenshot smaller. >>>>> "PS" == Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes: PS> Are you saying that if you create a second file, /tmp/m2 which does PS> *not* have any file-local variables, and you go to your terminal and PS> run "emacsclient /tmp/m2" and type "y" that it inserts the character PS> "y" into the "m2" buffer; Yup. That's normal too. I see in the minibuffer "When done with a buffer, type C-x #" (which is just a statement, not a question waiting for me to answer.) PS> but if you run "emacsclient /tmp/m" which has the file-local var and PS> you type "y" it gets inserted into the PS> terminal window? And you are doing everything else exactly the same PS> way, so that the sole difference between the two tests is that whether PS> or not the file has a file-local variable? Correct. PS> To me it still sounds like a matter of OS window focus, but I can't PS> fathom why those two tests would result in different windows being PS> focused by the window manager. I'm just using icewm. If I do emacs -Q -f server-start & it makes a window anchored at the upper left, and covers up my xterm, so I don't even see where my yyyyy's go too. PS> To be clear, I've already tried and failed to reproduce your problem, PS> so not everyone is seeing the same thing as yourself. Well there is a hollow prompt there in the minibuffer of my image above. That means input is not going to be seen by emacs. PS> It would be easier to understand what's happening if you could confirm whether of PS> not the Emacs window actually has focus (which is why I tried to get PS> that information via a more-detailed recipe a in an earlier message). Well my yyyyy's end up in the shell, which is underneath the emacs window asking me the for the y,n. --=-=-=--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 05:07:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 25 01:07:19 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mTzuB-0002je-Fa for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:07:19 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:54809) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mTzu7-0002jR-Be for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:07:18 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=55095 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mTzu2-00023t-8F; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:07:10 +1200 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:07:10 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:07:10 +1200 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC_Dan_Jacobson?= <jidanni@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: <87o88hthj6.5.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <8735pwpdrm.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yustkd1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilyr978n.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b911a49a1a8575e03facf44e76ba0eb@HIDDEN> <87h7ea8285.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <92e14cf18362d4ecbd0d8fc250d25a8e@HIDDEN> <87o88hthj6.5.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <2bb3741071370ba88a1421263ccdbb44@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-09-25 16:18, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: > Anyway, normally if we type abcefg... it goes right into the file, > where > it belongs. > > However if we boobytrap the file with -*- foo: bar; -*-, > now suddenly emacs is asking us questions, but our answers are hijacked > elsewhere! Are you saying that if you create a second file, /tmp/m2 which does *not* have any file-local variables, and you go to your terminal and run "emacsclient /tmp/m2" and type "y" that it inserts the character "y" into the "m2" buffer; but if you run "emacsclient /tmp/m" which has the file-local var and you type "y" it gets inserted into the terminal window? And you are doing everything else exactly the same way, so that the sole difference between the two tests is that whether or not the file has a file-local variable? To me it still sounds like a matter of OS window focus, but I can't fathom why those two tests would result in different windows being focused by the window manager. To be clear, I've already tried and failed to reproduce your problem, so not everyone is seeing the same thing as yourself. It would be easier to understand what's happening if you could confirm whether of not the Emacs window actually has focus (which is why I tried to get that information via a more-detailed recipe a in an earlier message). -Phil
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 50743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 01:12:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 21:12:13 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mTwEe-0003K4-Rl for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:12:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:38765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mTwEc-0003Jt-J2 for 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:12:11 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=1046 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1mTwET-0002BV-Fo; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:12:01 +1200 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:12:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:12:01 +1200 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC_Dan_Jacobson?= <jidanni@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50743: Emacsclient not tested vs. Local Variables prompt In-Reply-To: <87h7ea8285.5.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <8735pwpdrm.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yustkd1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilyr978n.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b911a49a1a8575e03facf44e76ba0eb@HIDDEN> <87h7ea8285.5.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <92e14cf18362d4ecbd0d8fc250d25a8e@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50743 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 50743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-09-25 02:42, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: > About this frame and that frame, this focus and that focus, that > is all beyond the user's comprehension. You are using a multi-tasking windowed operating system. You can't use the computer at all without knowing that when you type on the keyboard only one of the many possible windows is receiving the input. This might be beyond the user's comprehension, but that's nothing to do with Emacs. My impression now is that you typed something into a window that wasn't Emacs and are claiming that it's a bug that Emacs didn't react to that. This is like raising a bug report for your painting software to complain that it didn't draw a picture when you were dragging your mouse around in your web browser. Whether a newly-opened window automatically has focus or not is a matter for your window manager, so you should investigate how you can make that happen on your system. Alternatively, consider using "emacsclient -t" so that your client is running in the same terminal from which you ran the command. -Phil (can we close this bug?)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#50743; Package emacs.
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=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> writes:
> In that case one's y,n,! are being sent to the shell,
> as can be seen from the hollow prompt there in emacs.
I'm unable to reproduce this in Emacs 27.1 (or Emacs 28), but the recipe
isn't very clear.
I put the following in /tmp/foo.el:
;; Local Variables:
;; foo: t
;; End:
Then
./src/emacs -geometry -0+0 -Q -f server-start &
./lib-src/emacsclient -t /tmp/foo.el
And I got prompted in the normal way.
Are there any other steps needed to see the problem?
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Big problem.
If a file triggers
------
The local variables list in Makefile
contains values that may not be safe (*).
Do you want to apply it? You can type
y -- to apply the local variables list.
n -- to ignore the local variables list.
! -- to apply the local variables list, and permanently mark these
values (*) as safe (in the future, they will be set automatically.)
------
one simply types one of y,n,! . No problem...
unless one used emacsclient to open that file.
In that case one's y,n,! are being sent to the shell,
as can be seen from the hollow prompt there in emacs.
emacs-version "27.1"
積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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