Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#50940; Package coreutils.
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Depending on who send= s me > > usage stats I have to ask how the command was run to make sure I calcul= ate > > usage correctly. Systems like Amazon EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix. > > Making it easier to know what sizes you are looking at. > > > > Can a future release of df not be improved to print out the GB or GiB? > > So you're suggesting that `df -h` changes to using IEC suffixes like Gi, = Ti etc. > and -H would use the current suffix format to indicate SI units. > That would be the right thing to do if we were adding these options now, > but at this stage I'm not sure it's worth it, because you wouldn't > be sure which version of df you were getting the output from. > > For completeness one can get unambiguous output using numfmt like: > > $ df -B1 | numfmt --field - --invalid=3Dignore --to=3Diec-i > Filesystem 1B-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > devtmpfs 3.9Gi 0 3.9Gi 0% /dev I'm pretty biased toward showing units correctly, no matter the ensuing compatibility arguments. The distillation of the compatibility argument is: changing this will be painful for scripts. While true, it's still worse to have the wrong units reported. Is the primary target audience for human-readable values humans? Or scripts? If it's really such a problem, introduce a computer/script friendly output format and only ever append to the output when introducing new values. --=20 Chris Murphy
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#50940; Package coreutils.
Full text available.Received: (at 50940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 19:39:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 15:39:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mXTns-0001A0-Bf for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 15:39:12 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170]:40682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <danie.dejager@HIDDEN>) id 1mXTnq-00019m-Kf for 50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 15:39:11 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id m5so2676016pfk.7 for <50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:39:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SS1mC3zsyntl4fBwdaPxdZSIYtWxC4oXjldzqPQZMoA=; b=jQTPCSldgxsmyZ4Z6BGrC86dHRsDOrXrMFfXLzEEQMOpFyDoEretmaLhk9tG7ew8v5 BlihW7uBVonmWMBGVK8Q+YLCxRB0REujcrd3VdAqFHMhAHJ+X10pbfsCXliUjiOOKtEY cKn/vhxSM/br/BaN8Mz4Twpg1qh8wuE9TYOCOoiOvd4esbYKFp/hXNxJcvngXttxbW6F ew918rTVs1YeMpwURNPK7+ExZKpOIXGNncT76VnQnSBYFWMCSn2GWs73C+YljIOLIzoI EdbSv9H9l5UHTFOkbe3fuJf9tElAfUG1S8DoNqr9+z/yKA3v37ljAtOPtQZbE8SFfI5C 9LBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SS1mC3zsyntl4fBwdaPxdZSIYtWxC4oXjldzqPQZMoA=; b=s7eD25KC16Hua8ce32ct3X3Cg+FUa5Ir8PHwhZlmksSFBF4x7SedrEEEajEuPiJ0dL 2HKF/MfKfQHOzDSMv4WIQWVslC33SoT1Tw4WjeakgT5JLLFkvYW8hEf3dlubIMBKo2tp jFG7XMdZ4dX5Cd7DN8k953tfsCGtuEKQ5ypmGngAwnnqsZKTiCJW2e6ZFBg8+dWLaOG8 k8fdHUwQnC0HamNbjHv5g1Z+JVPmrtlqZbMlAbG9u47rCv9sheM4788cEInpATLTtD+g F3Mrr+WLKIRQ99ZAxwD03cqJPNl/foS17+X1OEEYibc5Gn27KPHphPjShFn3Fl3XBtxS u7Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Nwof1jCeLxZvlXRSfvLLhr3HLMgoDNzjF+WSEtHLfZalLvgw0 pX4toYqkA2Q4yRYfA8Dzjw2ZvWICnkEtZgSUbO8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJymPXiri7oUv+AdX4ll/1ftXdiTOn3YkMsvJy3otPeNHWNydtd25QBRs3Vv05K/b6Rh5CK/Q1RRIe759+8WOKg= X-Received: by 2002:a63:b04c:: with SMTP id z12mr12178748pgo.371.1633376344581; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CA+Cexoj1rydKW++4h_gsDJo65Vm90MHmG=ij_brcDKQF+XP7Sw@HIDDEN> <20211001162804.GA27654@HIDDEN> <CA+Cexog_tYArq3hsFo9-8=t=Uqau5gHp6NLztr67P7+sAKf2_w@HIDDEN> <fde037f8-eae2-de9c-33a6-e93590dfeb5a@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <fde037f8-eae2-de9c-33a6-e93590dfeb5a@HIDDEN> From: Danie de Jager <danie.dejager@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:38:52 +0200 Message-ID: <CA+Cexohsb82fhWDdb0Qg0cSk=ypArXEPFbfOHVRf7hx+sz-DmQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50940: how df utility displays sizes - GB vs GiB To: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cdaa9e05cd8c105a" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50940 Cc: 50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000cdaa9e05cd8c105a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Paul, Thanks for your consideration. I understand your concern about causing confusion with set aliases. In that case I agree, create a new option instead. Regards, Danie On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 23:01, Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> wrote: > On 10/1/21 1:30 PM, Danie de Jager wrote: > > Can we use the same options, but to trigger the longer annotation, we > > double the characters used to -hh and -HH? > > Interesting idea. Normally, later options override earlier, so 'df -h > -H' is equivalent to 'df -H'. This is so that one can alias 'df' to 'df > -h' and then type plain 'df' to get the same behavior as 'df -h', while > being able to type 'df -H' to get the other behavior. With that in mind > if we made the change you suggest, such an alias would mean that if you > typed 'df' you would get the behavior of ordinary 'df -h' while if you > typed 'df -h' you'd get the behavior of ordinary 'df -hh'. So there > might be an opportunity for confusion there. > > We could of course use a different option letter (unfortunately -B is > already taken...). > --000000000000cdaa9e05cd8c105a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Paul,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your con= sideration. I understand your concern about causing confusion with set alia= ses. In that case I agree, create a new option instead.</div><div><br></div= ><div>Regards,</div><div>Danie</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 23:01, Paul = Eggert <<a href=3D"mailto:eggert@HIDDEN">eggert@HIDDEN</a>>= wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 10/1/= 21 1:30 PM, Danie de Jager wrote:<br> > Can we use the same options, but to trigger the longer annotation, we<= br> > double the characters used to -hh and -HH?<br> <br> Interesting idea. Normally, later options override earlier, so 'df -h <= br> -H' is equivalent to 'df -H'. This is so that one can alias = 9;df' to 'df <br> -h' and then type plain 'df' to get the same behavior as 'd= f -h', while <br> being able to type 'df -H' to get the other behavior. With that in = mind <br> if we made the change you suggest, such an alias would mean that if you <br= > typed 'df' you would get the behavior of ordinary 'df -h' w= hile if you <br> typed 'df -h' you'd get the behavior of ordinary 'df -hh= 9;. So there <br> might be an opportunity for confusion there.<br> <br> We could of course use a different option letter (unfortunately -B is <br> already taken...).<br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000cdaa9e05cd8c105a--
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#50940; Package coreutils.
Full text available.Received: (at 50940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2021 21:26:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 01 17:26:34 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mWQ38-0002EN-HH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:26:34 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:33970) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1mWQ35-0002E7-OS for 50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:26:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B516160060; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 0ErZ2JW_7sBv; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A88160106; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id m5yaIJu_upWc; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3AC3160060; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#50940: how df utility displays sizes - GB vs GiB To: gdg@HIDDEN References: <CA+Cexoj1rydKW++4h_gsDJo65Vm90MHmG=ij_brcDKQF+XP7Sw@HIDDEN> <20211001162804.GA27654@HIDDEN> <CA+Cexog_tYArq3hsFo9-8=t=Uqau5gHp6NLztr67P7+sAKf2_w@HIDDEN> <fde037f8-eae2-de9c-33a6-e93590dfeb5a@HIDDEN> <20211001211624.GI1312@HIDDEN> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <397356ba-5175-2e94-863f-4e4c647994a6@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:26:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20211001211624.GI1312@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50940 Cc: Danie de Jager <danie.dejager@HIDDEN>, 50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) On 10/1/21 2:16 PM, Glenn Golden wrote: > Might it be possible to finesse the already existing envars (BLOCK_SIZE, > DF_BLOCK_SIZE, etc.) to accomplish the desired suffixing mods? We've been moving away from using those environment variables, for security and reproducibility reasons.
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Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by huh.zplane.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 68FCF638BD; Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:16:24 -0600 From: Glenn Golden <gdg@HIDDEN> To: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#50940: how df utility displays sizes - GB vs GiB Message-ID: <20211001211624.GI1312@HIDDEN> References: <CA+Cexoj1rydKW++4h_gsDJo65Vm90MHmG=ij_brcDKQF+XP7Sw@HIDDEN> <20211001162804.GA27654@HIDDEN> <CA+Cexog_tYArq3hsFo9-8=t=Uqau5gHp6NLztr67P7+sAKf2_w@HIDDEN> <fde037f8-eae2-de9c-33a6-e93590dfeb5a@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <fde037f8-eae2-de9c-33a6-e93590dfeb5a@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50940 Cc: Danie de Jager <danie.dejager@HIDDEN>, 50940 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: gdg@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> [2021-10-01 14:01:14 -0700]: > > On 10/1/21 1:30 PM, Danie de Jager wrote: > > Can we use the same options, but to trigger the longer annotation, we > > double the characters used to -hh and -HH? > > Interesting idea. Normally, later options override earlier, so 'df -h -H' is > equivalent to 'df -H'. This is so that one can alias 'df' to 'df -h' and > then type plain 'df' to get the same behavior as 'df -h', while being able > to type 'df -H' to get the other behavior. With that in mind if we made the > change you suggest, such an alias would mean that if you typed 'df' you > would get the behavior of ordinary 'df -h' while if you typed 'df -h' you'd > get the behavior of ordinary 'df -hh'. So there might be an opportunity for > confusion there. > > We could of course use a different option letter (unfortunately -B is > already taken...). > Might it be possible to finesse the already existing envars (BLOCK_SIZE, DF_BLOCK_SIZE, etc.) to accomplish the desired suffixing mods? Or perhaps even a new envar(s) dedicated to simply specifying the suffixing, and defaulting to present behavior for backcompat...? Haven't thought this thru, just tossing it out as a possibility to think on. Might be cleaner in some respects than trying to wedge it into the options.
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Thank you for sharing. After reading I agree that changing
existing features could break processes for users.
It would be easy to make mistakes when in a hurry and looking at the
following output:
$ df -h | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 12G 8.5G 3.6G 71% /
$ df -H | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 13G 9.1G 3.8G 71% /
I'm happy with the calculations done but as stated in the path set
mentioned I would've preferred if the output was:
$ df -h | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 12GiB 8.5GiB 3.6GiB 71% /
$ df -H | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 13GB 9.1GB 3.8GB 71% /
I propose that the options -h and -H not be changed, for compatibility, but
that it becomes possible to make a distinction between the two formats
outputs.
Can we use the same options, but to trigger the longer annotation, we
double the characters used to -hh and -HH?
therefore
$ df -hh | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 12GiB 8.5GiB 3.6GiB 71% /
$ df -HH | grep /$
/dev/nvme0n1p1 13GB 9.1GB 3.8GB 71% /
or for ls
ls -lhh *.crt
-rw-r--r--. 1 danie.dejager danie.dejager 2.6KB Sep 29 13:07 1.crt
Regards,
Danie
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 18:28, Glenn Golden <gdg@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> A patchset submitted last year
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2020-09/msg00001.html
>
> would partially address this (for df, du, and ls) by consistently enforcing
> the semantics given in Section 2.3 of coreutils.info (8.32): If that patch
> were adopted, units suffixed with "B" (e.g. kB, MB, GB, etc.) would always
> imply base-2 units, and B-less suffixes (e.g. k, M, G) would always imply
> base-10 units, with no exceptions. ("iB" suffixes would not be used.)
>
> However, the overall issue is more complicated than this, because those
> semantics in Section 2.3 are directly contradicted by statements appearing
> elsewhere in 8.32 coreutils.info that invert the 2.3 semantics.
>
> See the above posting (and follow-ups in that thread) for all the gory
> details and historical background.
>
> NOTE: I do not know whether the program behavior and documentation
> described
> in the above post is still extant in coreutils release 9.
>
> Glenn Golden
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you for sharing. After reading I agree that cha=
nging existing=C2=A0features could break processes for users.</div><div><br=
></div><div>It would be easy to make mistakes when in a hurry and looking a=
t the following output:</div><div>$ df -h | grep /$<br>/dev/nvme0n1p1 =C2=
=A0 12G =C2=A08.5G =C2=A03.6G =C2=A071% /<br></div><div><br></div><div>$ df=
-H | grep /$<br>/dev/nvme0n1p1 =C2=A0 13G =C2=A09.1G =C2=A03.8G =C2=A071% =
/<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm happy with the calculations done but=
as stated in the path set mentioned I would've preferred=C2=A0if the o=
utput was:</div><div>$ df -h | grep /$<br></div><div><div>/dev/nvme0n1p1 =
=C2=A0 12GiB=C2=A0 8.5GiB=C2=A0=C2=A03.6GiB=C2=A0=C2=A0 71% /<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>$ df -H | grep /$<br>/dev/nvme0n1p1 =C2=A0 13GB=C2=A0 9.1GB=
=C2=A0 3.8GB=C2=A0 71% /</div></div><div><br></div><div>I propose that the =
options -h and -H not be changed, for compatibility, but that it becomes po=
ssible to make a distinction between the two formats outputs.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Can we use the same options, but to trigger the longer annotati=
on, we double=C2=A0the characters=C2=A0used to -hh and -HH?</div><div><br><=
/div><div>therefore</div><div>$ df -hh | grep /$<br></div><div><div><div>/d=
ev/nvme0n1p1 =C2=A0 12GiB=C2=A0 8.5GiB=C2=A0=C2=A03.6GiB=C2=A0=C2=A0 71% /<=
/div></div></div><div>$ df -HH | grep /$<br>/dev/nvme0n1p1 =C2=A0 13GB=C2=
=A0 9.1GB=C2=A0 3.8GB=C2=A0 71% /<br></div><div><br></div><div>or for ls</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>ls -lhh *.crt<br>-rw-r--r--. 1 danie.dejager danie.d=
ejager 2.6KB Sep 29 13:07 1.crt<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div>=
<div>Danie</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 18:28, Glenn Golden <<a href=
=3D"mailto:gdg@HIDDEN">gdg@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
A patchset submitted last year<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2020-=
09/msg00001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.gnu.or=
g/archive/html/coreutils/2020-09/msg00001.html</a><br>
<br>
would partially address this (for df, du, and ls) by consistently enforcing=
<br>
the semantics given in Section 2.3 of <a href=3D"http://coreutils.info" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">coreutils.info</a> (8.32): If that patch<=
br>
were adopted, units suffixed with "B" (e.g. kB, MB, GB, etc.) wou=
ld always<br>
imply base-2 units, and B-less suffixes (e.g. k, M, G) would always imply<b=
r>
base-10 units, with no exceptions. ("iB" suffixes would not be us=
ed.)<br>
<br>
However, the overall issue is more complicated than this, because those<br>
semantics in Section 2.3 are directly contradicted by statements appearing<=
br>
elsewhere in 8.32 <a href=3D"http://coreutils.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">coreutils.info</a> that invert the 2.3 semantics. <br>
<br>
See the above posting (and follow-ups in that thread) for all the gory<br>
details and historical background.<br>
<br>
NOTE: I do not know whether the program behavior and documentation describe=
d<br>
in the above post is still extant in coreutils release 9.<br>
<br>
Glenn Golden<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
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Subject: Re: bug#50940: how df utility displays sizes - GB vs GiB
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Danie de Jager <danie.dejager@HIDDEN> [2021-10-01 15:28:10 +0200]:
>
> The output from df -h and df -H is always G or M. Depending on who sends me
> usage stats I have to ask how the command was run to make sure I calculate
> usage correctly. Systems like Amazon EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix.
> Making it easier to know what sizes you are looking at.
>
> Can a future release of df not be improved to print out the GB or GiB?
>
A patchset submitted last year
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2020-09/msg00001.html
would partially address this (for df, du, and ls) by consistently enforcing
the semantics given in Section 2.3 of coreutils.info (8.32): If that patch
were adopted, units suffixed with "B" (e.g. kB, MB, GB, etc.) would always
imply base-2 units, and B-less suffixes (e.g. k, M, G) would always imply
base-10 units, with no exceptions. ("iB" suffixes would not be used.)
However, the overall issue is more complicated than this, because those
semantics in Section 2.3 are directly contradicted by statements appearing
elsewhere in 8.32 coreutils.info that invert the 2.3 semantics.
See the above posting (and follow-ups in that thread) for all the gory
details and historical background.
NOTE: I do not know whether the program behavior and documentation described
in the above post is still extant in coreutils release 9.
Glenn Golden
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Danie de Jager <danie.dejager@HIDDEN> [2021-10-01 15:28:10 +0200]:
>
> The output from df -h and df -H is always G or M. Depending on who sends me
> usage stats I have to ask how the command was run to make sure I calculate
> usage correctly. Systems like Amazon EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix.
> Making it easier to know what sizes you are looking at.
>
> Can a future release of df not be improved to print out the GB or GiB?
>
A patchset submitted last year
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2020-09/msg00001.html
would partially address this (for df, du, and ls) by consistently enforcing
the semantics given in Section 2.3 of coreutils.info (8.32): If that patch
were adopted, units suffixed with "B" (e.g. kB, MB, GB, etc.) would always
imply base-2 units, and B-less suffixes (e.g. k, M, G) would always imply
base-10 units, with no exceptions. ("iB" suffixes would not be used.)
However, the overall issue is more complicated than this, because those
semantics in Section 2.3 are directly contradicted by statements appearing
elsewhere in 8.32 coreutils.info that invert the 2.3 semantics.
See the above posting (and follow-ups in that thread) for all the gory
details and historical background.
NOTE: I do not know whether the program behavior and documentation described
in the above post is still extant in coreutils release 9.
Glenn Golden
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Depending on who sends me > usage stats I have to ask how the command was run to make sure I calculate > usage correctly. Systems like Amazon EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix. > Making it easier to know what sizes you are looking at. > > Can a future release of df not be improved to print out the GB or GiB? So you're suggesting that `df -h` changes to using IEC suffixes like Gi, Ti etc. and -H would use the current suffix format to indicate SI units. That would be the right thing to do if we were adding these options now, but at this stage I'm not sure it's worth it, because you wouldn't be sure which version of df you were getting the output from. For completeness one can get unambiguous output using numfmt like: $ df -B1 | numfmt --field - --invalid=ignore --to=iec-i Filesystem 1B-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 3.9Gi 0 3.9Gi 0% /dev cheers, Pádraig
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Depending on who sends me usage stats I have to ask how the command was run to make sure I calculate usage correctly. Systems like Amazon EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix. Making it easier to know what sizes you are looking at. Can a future release of df not be improved to print out the GB or GiB? Regards, Danie --0000000000006c824b05cd4a8913 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>The output from df -h and df -H is = always G or M. Depending on who sends me usage stats I have to ask how the = command was run to make sure I calculate usage correctly. Systems like Amaz= on EC2 use the explicit GiB suffix. Making it easier to know what sizes you= are looking at.</div><div><br></div><div>Can a future release of df not be= improved to print out the GB or GiB?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</di= v><div>Danie</div></div> --0000000000006c824b05cd4a8913--
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