GNU bug report logs - #51180
29.0.50; Non-compiled file loaded with M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load

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From: miha <at> kamnitnik.top
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; Non-compiled file loaded with M-x
 emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:27:24 +0200

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load loads the ".el" file instead of
".elc".  I believe this is a regression introduced in git commit
4a575eb18cca3eed5019f2d2d2abeea1f0c07005
(Tue Oct 20 18:48:27 2020 +0200)

Best regards.


In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 6, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.30, cairo version 1.17.4)
 of 2021-10-12 built on t400-pc
Repository revision: 5588617a7ec4e16d3cf10a66f0203f92a61e7d5a
Repository branch: dokaj-stabilen
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12013000
System Description: Artix Linux

Configured using:
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Configured features:
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JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG
RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

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Message #8 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: miha <at> kamnitnik.top
Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#51180: 29.0.50; Non-compiled file loaded with M-x
 emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:41:58 +0200

miha <at> kamnitnik.top writes:

> M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load loads the ".el" file instead of
> ".elc".  I believe this is a regression introduced in git commit
> 4a575eb18cca3eed5019f2d2d2abeea1f0c07005
> (Tue Oct 20 18:48:27 2020 +0200)

Yup.  This is now fixed in emacs-28.

-- 
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Message #13 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, miha <at> kamnitnik.top
Subject: M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:22:26 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

Is it worth having a function emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load?
It surely is not used often.
Does it simplify programs enough
to outweigh the added complecity of defining and docuenting it?


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Message #16 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, miha <at> kamnitnik.top
Subject: Re: M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:26:50 +0200

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Is it worth having a function emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load?
> It surely is not used often.
> Does it simplify programs enough
> to outweigh the added complecity of defining and docuenting it?

It is defined and documented, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

And it seems useful to me.

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Message #19 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: <miha <at> kamnitnik.top>
To: rms <at> gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#51180: M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:48:11 +0200

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Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> Is it worth having a function emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load?
> It surely is not used often.
> Does it simplify programs enough
> to outweigh the added complecity of defining and docuenting it?

I personally use it as an interactive command after making adjustments
to a .el file. And it even conveniently asks me if I want to save the
buffer, so I personally think it's nice.

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Message #22 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, miha <at> kamnitnik.top
Subject: Re: bug#51180: M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:25:02 +0300

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:22:26 -0400
> Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, miha <at> kamnitnik.top
> 
> Is it worth having a function emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load?

It's a command, and we deemed it important enough to have it in the
Emacs-Lisp menu when the current buffer visits an Emacs Lisp file.

> It surely is not used often.

It is extremely useful when you work on some Lisp program and want to
test it in the same session.

> Does it simplify programs enough
> to outweigh the added complecity of defining and docuenting it?

Not programs, but interactive use of ELisp.

Message #25 received at 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 51180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, miha <at> kamnitnik.top
Subject: Re: M-x emacs-lisp-byte-compile-and-load
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:47:29 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > > Does it simplify programs enough
  > > to outweigh the added complecity of defining and docuenting it?

  > It is defined and documented, so I'm not sure what you're asking.

I was going to suggest we should raise our threshold, in general, for
adding a simple "convenience" function.

However, I see that this exists for the sake of a menu binding.
I think that's reasonable.


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