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Full text available.Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2021 07:33:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 18 03:32:59 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45795 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mcN8l-0007ix-Nw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 03:32:59 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1mcN8k-0007ii-1n for 51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 03:32:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/M7cMcKg+AMmhgmskc2EoJKWnVtkeHNY7WB1PYjp4wY=; b=TYn3L+9waTm4xWdVHFtaSR5UKg oI6zY7Nth3Cu0pcOMnBoqOydWtgdcFp/gJT8SihvMKpb0XVBV8jS31xj9K4Tr/aB2Ts9YYKq9fouD 1A8hxe0+uzNAUqm+gfT8ayqqSOA8lQltnwxi3orMifJna5WgvfOR9ze7WVVMFPQ8e0uI=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1mcN8b-0000Uo-3L; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:32:51 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands References: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@HIDDEN> <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Brokeback's _Looks At The Bird_: "Name's Winston, Friends Call Me James" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:32:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:04:17 +0300") Message-ID: <87a6j6n5y7.fsf_-_@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add > C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. Makes sense to me. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add > C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. Makes sense to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 17:30:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 17 13:30:58 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mc9zu-0005DM-Kq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:58 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:42805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1mc9zt-0005Cw-JB for 51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:58 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E15A5E0005; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:04:17 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@HIDDEN> (Howard Melman's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:16:32 -0400") Message-ID: <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > The other commands related to find-library are setup via > find-function-setup-keys. The equivalents of find-library > are on C-x F, C-x K and C-x V and then on the C-x 4 and > C-x 5 locations too. > I use this often if I want to visit a library regardless of what is > near point. If I want to open embark (say because I just updated > it), I use C-x L and enter "embark" via completing-read. > It's very convenient. Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys.
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Full text available.Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 17:30:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 17 13:30:55 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45193 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mc9zr-0005D6-Fm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:55 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:53285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1mc9zp-0005Cr-Nr for 51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:54 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA296C000A; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB54880160F9C3315B4B26B726F3BA9@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:59:16 +0300 In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB54880160F9C3315B4B26B726F3BA9@HIDDEN> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:33:52 +0000") Message-ID: <87ilxv3ojf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > What's the big deal? IIRC, in the last month > alone you've proposed (and grabbed) a _bunch_ > of new default keys, no? No, I didn't grab no keys from you.
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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t199sm4506816qke.121.2021.10.16.18.16.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:16:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@HIDDEN> References: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Oct 16, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to >> `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. > > Since other Emacs-Lisp specific keys are on the `C-h' key prefix > like `C-h f' and `C-h S', a key to find an Emacs-Lisp library > could find a place in the same `C-h' key prefix. The other commands related to find-library are setup via find-function-setup-keys. The equivalents of find-library are on C-x F, C-x K and C-x V and then on the C-x 4 and C-x 5 locations too. > But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already > works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on > the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file. I use this often if I want to visit a library regardless of what is near point. If I want to open embark (say because I just updated it), I use C-x L and enter "embark" via completing-read. It's very convenient. Howard
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It's not about finding help information. It's about finding a library - a file. Do you also propose to move the find-file commands to the `C-h' prefix, because the command name is "find"? Moving `C-x 4 f' to `C-h <something>'? > But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already > works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on > the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file. It's not about the cursor being on the library name. It's about getting the library file wherever you are, in whatever buffer, directory, etc. What's the big deal? IIRC, in the last month alone you've proposed (and grabbed) a _bunch_ of new default keys, no? These find-library keys just make sense, IMO.
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Full text available.Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 18:58:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 16 14:58:56 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mbotU-0005Ig-Jz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:58:56 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:50033) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1mbotS-0005IT-Ss for 51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:58:56 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 289D920003; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:58:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:57:30 +0300 In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488A0CFA0D453F62298819BF3BA9@HIDDEN> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:28:43 +0000") Message-ID: <878ryser1h.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51240 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to > `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. Since other Emacs-Lisp specific keys are on the `C-h' key prefix like `C-h f' and `C-h S', a key to find an Emacs-Lisp library could find a place in the same `C-h' key prefix. But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file.
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And if I'm > looking at the correct source tree, still aren't bound in > Emacs 28. It seemed like there was concensus on replacing > the bindings of the find-function commands with new > find-function-or-library versions but the included patches > were never applied and the bug archived. >=20 > There was also discussion in bug#2270 that also didn't seem > to come to resolution. >=20 > I (bind and) use find-library all the time, typically to > view the source of a 3rd party package I've installed via > elpa (since entering the package name is easier than a > function name). Is there a better way to do this? If not, > could these commands be bound (possibly in Emacs 28)? +1. [But isn't this essentially bug #26712? and 2270? (which was closed as Done, but with no key binding)] IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. ___ [And this is from someone who doesn't Emacs to waste key bindings. These bindings just make sense. I almost never use `find-library'. I use `C-x 4 l' (which, because I use non-nil `pop-up-frames', opens in another frame).] ___ Maybe this will happen in another decade or two?... I proposed this in 2007 (as soon as `find-library' was added, if I'm not mistaken).
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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c5sm4067349qkm.10.2021.10.16.09.49.29 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Oct 2021 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Message-Id: <F8C28E33-0B28-498C-BFC0-409C51B15F4A@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:49:28 -0400 To: GNU Emacs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b; envelope-from=hmelman@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qk1-x72b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I see that the other-window and other-frame versions of find-library were added in Emacs 26 but none of them were bound to keys as discussed in Emacs bug#26712. And if I'm looking at the correct source tree, still aren't bound in Emacs 28. It seemed like there was concensus on replacing the bindings of the find-function commands with new find-function-or-library versions but the included patches were never applied and the bug archived. There was also discussion in bug#2270 that also didn't seem to come to resolution. I (bind and) use find-library all the time, typically to view the source of a 3rd party package I've installed via elpa (since entering the package name is easier than a function name). Is there a better way to do this? If not, could these commands be bound (possibly in Emacs 28)? -- Howard
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