GNU bug report logs - #51271
Typo's in Emacs documentation

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com>

Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:33:02 UTC

Severity: normal

Fixed in version 28.1

Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>

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From: Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 19:41:04 +0300
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Hi,

Shouldn’t it be “… many kinds of atoms”?

Mor Zahavi
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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:45:04 -0700
close 51271 28.1
thanks

Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com> writes:

> Shouldn’t it be “… many kinds of atoms”?

This is the text from (info "(eintr) Lisp Atoms"):

       There are many kinds of atom in nature but only a few in Lisp: for
    example, “numbers”, such as 37, 511, or 1729, and “symbols”, such as
    ‘+’, ‘foo’, or ‘forward-line’.

I think that it should indeed be "many kinds of atoms" here, so I have
now fixed this on emacs-28 (commit 98eb6d783a).  This change will be a
part of the upcoming Emacs 28.1.

Thanks for the bug report!




bug marked as fixed in version 28.1, send any further explanations to 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com> Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:46:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:05:44 +0000
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Hi

You didn’t fix it

[Emacs 29 native comp]

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 3:45
To: Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
close 51271 28.1
thanks

Mor Zahavi <morzahavi <at> me.com> writes:

> Shouldn’t it be “… many kinds of atoms”?

This is the text from (info "(eintr) Lisp Atoms"):

       There are many kinds of atom in nature but only a few in Lisp: for
    example, “numbers”, such as 37, 511, or 1729, and “symbols”, such as
    ‘+’, ‘foo’, or ‘forward-line’.

I think that it should indeed be "many kinds of atoms" here, so I have
now fixed this on emacs-28 (commit 98eb6d783a).  This change will be a
part of the upcoming Emacs 28.1.

Thanks for the bug report!
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Message #16 received at 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan <at> marxist.se
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:40:48 +0200
> Cc: "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:05:44 +0000
> From:  "morzahavi <at> me.com" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
> You didn’t fix it

Stefan did fix it.  But I reverted the fix, because the original
wording was not a mistake, it's correct English.  I added a comment
there explaining why it is correct and even better than the "fixed"
one.

Thanks.




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Message #19 received at 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 "stefan <at> marxist.se" <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:59:21 +0000
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I don’t understand – how can there be many kinds of a singular form? How can there be a few of a singular form?

Even when I replace “Atom” with “indivisible” it sounds quirky. When I use “indivisibles” it sounds much better in my opinion.

Where is the comment you’ve added?

Thanks Eli!

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Date: Sunday, 14 November 2021 at 18:41
To: morzahavi <at> me.com <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: stefan <at> marxist.se <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
> Cc: "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:05:44 +0000
> From:  "morzahavi <at> me.com" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
>
> You didn’t fix it

Stefan did fix it.  But I reverted the fix, because the original
wording was not a mistake, it's correct English.  I added a comment
there explaining why it is correct and even better than the "fixed"
one.

Thanks.
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Message #22 received at 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan <at> marxist.se
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:14:02 +0200
> From: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
> CC: "stefan <at> marxist.se" <stefan <at> marxist.se>, "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:59:21 +0000
> 
> I don’t understand – how can there be many kinds of a singular form? How can there be a few of a singular
> form?

It's a special English form that is relatively rarely used.  But it is
nevertheless correct.

> Where is the comment you’ve added?

In the Texinfo source.  I show it below:

  @c This and the next paragraph say ``kinds of atom'', but that is not
  @c a typo, just slightly ``old-fashioned wording which adds a fillip
  @c of interest to it'', and ``is more elegant writing'', according to
  @c RMS.

As you see, I consulted with Richard Stallman about this issue,
because I had a gut feeling the original wording was correct, but
wasn't sure.  Bob Chassell, who wrote that manual, always used 100%
correct English.




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Message #25 received at 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 "stefan <at> marxist.se" <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:27:52 +0000
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Great – I have learned something new.

Thanks Eli for all your work.

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Date: Sunday, 14 November 2021 at 19:14
To: morzahavi <at> me.com <morzahavi <at> me.com>
Cc: stefan <at> marxist.se <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#51271: Typo's in Emacs documentation
> From: "morzahavi <at> me.com" <morzahavi <at> me.com>
> CC: "stefan <at> marxist.se" <stefan <at> marxist.se>, "51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
>        <51271 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:59:21 +0000
>
> I don’t understand – how can there be many kinds of a singular form? How can there be a few of a singular
> form?

It's a special English form that is relatively rarely used.  But it is
nevertheless correct.

> Where is the comment you’ve added?

In the Texinfo source.  I show it below:

  @c This and the next paragraph say ``kinds of atom'', but that is not
  @c a typo, just slightly ``old-fashioned wording which adds a fillip
  @c of interest to it'', and ``is more elegant writing'', according to
  @c RMS.

As you see, I consulted with Richard Stallman about this issue,
because I had a gut feeling the original wording was correct, but
wasn't sure.  Bob Chassell, who wrote that manual, always used 100%
correct English.
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