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biblatex types such as @audio, @music, @review from section 2.1.3 of the
biblatex documentation are not considered by bibtex.el's biblatex
dialect implementation. The standard styles treat these types (with
exceptions) like @misc. An example of an exception is @review, which is
a more specific variant of the @article type.

I think the types are called non-standard, because the standard
bibliography styles provide no bibliography drivers for these types, but
these types are known to the default data model and will be happily
accepted by biber.

The impact is that emacs will not recognize entries of those types as
valid entries, and prevent referencing them via org-cite or applying
operations such as bibtex-clean-entry.

To reproduce run `emacs -Q`. Then switch to `bibtex-mode` and set
`(bibtex-set-dialect 'biblatex t)`. Finally paste (taken from
https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/435059/106845)

    @audio{Smith2018,
      author={Stacey Vanek Smith and Stanley Plotkin},
      title={The Economics of Vaccines},
      howpublished={NPR},
      organization={Planet Money}
      month=6,
      year=2010,
      series={Planet Money},
      url={https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=616926505}
    }

and navigate the cursor into the @audio entry. Then execute `M-x
bibtex-clean-entry` and observe "Not inside a BibTex entry" error
message.

Would it make sense to add support for these types to bibtex.el?



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Subject: bug#51621: 29.0.50; bibtex.el biblatex "2.1.3 Non-standard Types" support
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On Fri, Nov 05 2021, Leonard Lausen wrote:
> Would it make sense to add support for these types to bibtex.el?

I myself do not use biblatex.  But it seems to me that the sheer number
of entry types supported by biblatex gets overwhelming and inefficient
for users that may use only a subset of all biblatex entry types.  Could
it make sense to break down the list of biblatex entry types into two
customizable subsets such that commands like bibtex-entry and the menu
"Entry-Types" list only the "important" entry types, whereas functions
like bibtex-validate accept the complete set of entry types supported by
biblatex?

Roland

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