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> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >
> > Please try the patch below. After applying the patch, typing "s ,"
> > will show two variants in the echo-area, and you can choose between
> > them with C-f/C-b and the arrow keys.
> >
> > Is that a satisfactory solution?
>
> The solution is satisfactory for personal use. Thank you very much.
> But there the following issues:
>
> 1) The patch is not complete for Romanian. A solution for Romanian
> should also handle the T and t letters. I send you attached a patch
> based on yours that handles also these letters
Thanks, I installed that.
> 2) For example if I try to type the Romanian word "Șes" then when I
> try to write the "S WITH COMMA", after I type "S" "," and finally
> a "C-f" to select my letter then best for a user would to type the
> next letter that follows in his/her word ("e" in this case). But it
> doesn't work. If the user types "e" then the first choice is inserted
> in the buffer. The user must select the second letter with an ENTER.
That's how Emacs input methods work when there's more than one
translation of what you typed.
> 3) For general use a better solution should exist because it is not
> very user friendly to type so many characters to select your letter.
> Probably a true Romanian language environment based on
> ISO-8859-16 should be provided. The actual choice of ISO-8859-2
> for the Romanian environment probably is not the best.
>
> For example I will modify your patch to insert my ISO-8859-16
> characters instead of those in ISO-LATIN-2. Because if I write Romanian
> I never have to interact with the s an t variants in ISO-LATIN-2.
Patches to add such an language-environment will be welcome.
Thanks.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> Please try the patch below. After applying the patch, typing "s ,"
> will show two variants in the echo-area, and you can choose between
> them with C-f/C-b and the arrow keys.
>
> Is that a satisfactory solution?
The solution is satisfactory for personal use. Thank you very much.
But there the following issues:
1) The patch is not complete for Romanian. A solution for Romanian
should also handle the T and t letters. I send you attached a patch
based on yours that handles also these letters
2) For example if I try to type the Romanian word "Șes" then when I
try to write the "S WITH COMMA", after I type "S" "," and finally
a "C-f" to select my letter then best for a user would to type the
next letter that follows in his/her word ("e" in this case). But it
doesn't work. If the user types "e" then the first choice is inserted
in the buffer. The user must select the second letter with an ENTER.
3) For general use a better solution should exist because it is not
very user friendly to type so many characters to select your letter.
Probably a true Romanian language environment based on
ISO-8859-16 should be provided. The actual choice of ISO-8859-2
for the Romanian environment probably is not the best.
For example I will modify your patch to insert my ISO-8859-16
characters instead of those in ISO-LATIN-2. Because if I write Romanian
I never have to interact with the s an t variants in ISO-LATIN-2.
That's all. Thank you.
Cristian
> diff --git a/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el b/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
> index 8329fff..78ae896 100644
> --- a/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
> +++ b/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
> @@ -215,7 +215,15 @@
> others | / | s/ -> ß
>
> Doubling the postfix separates the letter and postfix: e.g. a\\='\\=' -> a\\='
> -" nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t)
> +"
> + '(("\C-?" . quail-delete-last-char)
> + (">" . quail-next-translation)
> + ("\C-f" . quail-next-translation)
> + ([right] . quail-next-translation)
> + ("<" . quail-prev-translation)
> + ("\C-b" . quail-prev-translation)
> + ([left] . quail-prev-translation))
> + t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t)
>
> (quail-define-rules
> ("A'" ?Á)
> @@ -246,7 +254,7 @@
> ("R'" ?Ŕ)
> ("R~" ?Ř)
> ("S'" ?Ś)
> - ("S," ?Ş)
> + ("S," "ŞȘ") ; the second variant is for Romanian
> ("S~" ?Š)
> ("T," ?Ţ)
> ("T~" ?Ť)
> @@ -286,7 +294,7 @@
> ("r'" ?ŕ)
> ("r~" ?ř)
> ("s'" ?ś)
> - ("s," ?ş)
> + ("s," "şș") ; the second variant is for Romanian
> ("s/" ?ß)
> ("s~" ?š)
> ("t," ?ţ)
>
>
>
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others | / | s/ -> ß
Doubling the postfix separates the letter and postfix: e.g. a\\='\\=' -> a\\='
-" nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t)
+"
+ '(("\C-?" . quail-delete-last-char)
+ (">" . quail-next-translation)
+ ("\C-f" . quail-next-translation)
+ ([right] . quail-next-translation)
+ ("<" . quail-prev-translation)
+ ("\C-b" . quail-prev-translation)
+ ([left] . quail-prev-translation))
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@@ -246,9 +254,9 @@
("R'" ?Ŕ)
("R~" ?Ř)
("S'" ?Ś)
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+ ("S," "ŞȘ") ; the second variant is for Romanian
("S~" ?Š)
- ("T," ?Ţ)
+ ("T," "ŢȚ") ; the second variant is for Romanian
("T~" ?Ť)
("U'" ?Ú)
("U:" ?Ű)
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("r'" ?ŕ)
("r~" ?ř)
("s'" ?ś)
- ("s," ?ş)
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("s/" ?ß)
("s~" ?š)
- ("t," ?ţ)
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("t~" ?ť)
("u'" ?ú)
("u:" ?ű)
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> From: crstml@HIDDEN
> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 13:28:16 +0100
>
> Sometimes I need to use Romanian characters. After I configure emacs to use
> the Romanian language environment with set-language-environment I activate
> an input method that allows me to write these characters with C-\.
>
> I works very well. I use the latin-2-postfix input method to write
> language specific characters. But, there is problem:
>
> In the above mentioned input method if I write
>
> s ,
>
> I obtain the character
>
> ş (UNICODE: U+015F; ISO-8859-2/iso-latin-2: 0xBA or 186; Entity: ş)
>
> which is very similar but NOT THE SAME with the Romanian character
>
> ș (UNICODE: U+0219; ISO-8859-16/iso-latin-10: 0xBA or 186; Entity: ș)
>
> These are two distinct characters. Visually there is no problem reading a
> Romanian text containing U+015F instead of U+0219 but there can be problem
> when we perform character conversions or searches.
>
> For example if I write my Romanian text with U+015F instead of U+0219 and
> save it in unicode all works well. But then if I want to convert that file
> to ISO-8859-16, the convertor will tell me that the character U+015F cannot
> be converted to the requested character set.
>
> By giving emacs the command "describe-language-environment" in the Romanian
> environment I can see that iso-latin-10 is listed as a Coding system appropriate
> for this environment.
>
> My question is: Is it possible to configure emacs use iso-latin-10 instead
> of iso-8859-2 in the Romanian enviroment?
Please try the patch below. After applying the patch, typing "s ,"
will show two variants in the echo-area, and you can choose between
them with C-f/C-b and the arrow keys.
Is that a satisfactory solution?
diff --git a/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el b/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
index 8329fff..78ae896 100644
--- a/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
+++ b/lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el
@@ -215,7 +215,15 @@
others | / | s/ -> ß
Doubling the postfix separates the letter and postfix: e.g. a\\='\\=' -> a\\='
-" nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t)
+"
+ '(("\C-?" . quail-delete-last-char)
+ (">" . quail-next-translation)
+ ("\C-f" . quail-next-translation)
+ ([right] . quail-next-translation)
+ ("<" . quail-prev-translation)
+ ("\C-b" . quail-prev-translation)
+ ([left] . quail-prev-translation))
+ t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t)
(quail-define-rules
("A'" ?Á)
@@ -246,7 +254,7 @@
("R'" ?Ŕ)
("R~" ?Ř)
("S'" ?Ś)
- ("S," ?Ş)
+ ("S," "ŞȘ") ; the second variant is for Romanian
("S~" ?Š)
("T," ?Ţ)
("T~" ?Ť)
@@ -286,7 +294,7 @@
("r'" ?ŕ)
("r~" ?ř)
("s'" ?ś)
- ("s," ?ş)
+ ("s," "şș") ; the second variant is for Romanian
("s/" ?ß)
("s~" ?š)
("t," ?ţ)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#51638; Package emacs.
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So here is the issue: Sometimes I need to use Romanian characters. After I configure emacs to use the Romanian language environment with set-language-environment I activate an input method that allows me to write these characters with C-\. I works very well. I use the latin-2-postfix input method to write language specific characters. But, there is problem: In the above mentioned input method if I write s , I obtain the character ş (UNICODE: U+015F; ISO-8859-2/iso-latin-2: 0xBA or 186; Entity: ş) which is very similar but NOT THE SAME with the Romanian character ș (UNICODE: U+0219; ISO-8859-16/iso-latin-10: 0xBA or 186; Entity: ș) These are two distinct characters. Visually there is no problem reading a Romanian text containing U+015F instead of U+0219 but there can be problem when we perform character conversions or searches. For example if I write my Romanian text with U+015F instead of U+0219 and save it in unicode all works well. But then if I want to convert that file to ISO-8859-16, the convertor will tell me that the character U+015F cannot be converted to the requested character set. By giving emacs the command "describe-language-environment" in the Romanian environment I can see that iso-latin-10 is listed as a Coding system appropriate for this environment. My question is: Is it possible to configure emacs use iso-latin-10 instead of iso-8859-2 in the Romanian enviroment? Best regards Cristian ---- BEGIN DESCRIPTION ---- In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5) of 2021-01-31, modified by Debian built on x86-csail-01 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Recent messages: Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)...done Loading debian-ispell...done Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)...done Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)...done Loading paren...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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