Received: (at 51930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 09:42:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 04:42:25 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34786 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mndw1-0007mB-LE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:42:25 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46760) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1mndvz-0007lx-Mt for 51930 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:42:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qbmZ4XymlsFf/3JRtRlRpdYwMSKMmILIRTSn5umlfb8=; b=vEyaXuqq+U1mzwFeIG+ALOFKZg YCXqQV9nE8S7ROgCa55uBjIjjlfX2TXkGuGo1/7nA0XSIN4aZ1WqwYXod6QJuhbbRGorRXMA85ndP xJPvWON4Sa2zY42q4RPOXxaO67ZgzhT7sc6YiAkp8zvncc565zmKDsM/QA+zcjJw+a3A=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1mndvq-00080g-59; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:42:16 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51930: 27.2; Buffer-local functions? Buffers specified buffer-locally? References: <SJ0PR10MB54886AFA7B33CF1E43E2E013F39A9@HIDDEN> <83o86hyild.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Fotheringay's _Fotheringay_: "The Ballad of Ned Kelly" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:42:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83o86hyild.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:27:10 +0200") Message-ID: <875yspls0a.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > This is a very dramatic description of a problem ("can't make heads or > tails", "I have no idea what is meant", etc.), so I'm not sure whether > a simple cross-reference to the documentation of add [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51930 Cc: 51930 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > This is a very dramatic description of a problem ("can't make heads or > tails", "I have no idea what is meant", etc.), so I'm not sure whether > a simple cross-reference to the documentation of add-hook, which > explains what is meant by "buffer-local" in this case, will solve the > problem. If it will, doing that is very easy. In fact, I just did. I think "Functions specified buffer-locally" is an unusual way to say "the buffer-local value of window-buffer-change-functions" -- if indeed that's what it's trying to say. I think rewriting this in a less passive voice would be a good idea: --- Functions specified buffer-locally are called for any window showing the corresponding buffer if that window has been created or assigned that buffer since the last time window change functions were run. In this case the window is passed as argument. Functions specified by the default value are called for a frame if at least one window on that frame has been added, deleted or assigned another buffer since the last time window change functions were run. In this case the frame is passed as argument. --- -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Buffers specified buffer-locally? Thread-Topic: 27.2; Buffer-local functions? Buffers specified buffer-locally? 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envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I'm trying to read (elisp) `Window Hooks', and I can't make heads or tails of it. Throughout this node there's mention of buffer-local functions: "functions specified buffer-locally". I have no idea what is meant by this. I search the Elisp manual for buffer-local, and I find zillions of matches that are about buffer-local variables, of course. And I find a couple of mentions of buffer-local faces. No mention, that I can find, of buffer-local functions or "functions specified buffer-locally". How to specify a function buffer-locally? A wild guess is that what you're trying to say has something to do with using the LOCAL argument to `add-hook' or `remove-hook`. But if so, it's not clear what. Please clean up this text so it's comprehensible by an average reader. If buffer-local functions are indeed a thing now, please document what they are, somewhere. 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