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I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@HIDDEN")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Sending...
Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only=20
Couldn=E2=80=99t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is re=
ad-only=20
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
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>
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> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
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> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
The help here says:
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It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
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`f'.
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Which is pretty confusing. Hm.
When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?
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> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2021-11-24 08:44:40 +0100]:
>
> Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>>
>> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>>
>> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>>
>> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>>
>> ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@HIDDEN")
>>
>> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> The help here says:
>
> ---
> (gnus-define-group-parameter
> to-list
> :function-document
> "Return GROUP's to-list."
> :variable-document
> "*Alist of group regexps and correspondent to-lists."
> :variable-group gnus-group-parameter
> :parameter-type '(gnus-email-address :tag "To List")
> :parameter-document "\
> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.
hmmm, so how do I tell gnus to use mail semantics for followup?
> Which is pretty confusing. Hm.
Moreover, I have been using `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist' for 10+
years, and I am pretty sure it used to work, say, 5(?) years ago.
> When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?
Yep.
Thank you!
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Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>
> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>
> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>
> ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks@HIDDEN")
>
> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> Sending...
> Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
> 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only=20
> Couldn=E2=80=99t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is =
read-only=20
[...]
> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.
I now understand what this bit means: It means that if the setting is
present, `f' will work the same way that `S v' works.
And that's what happens when I try this in
nntp+news.gmane.io:gmane.comp.security.risks. `f' gives me a *Message*
buffer that contains:
To: RISKS List Owner <risko@HIDDEN>
Cc: risks-resend@HIDDEN
So I'm unable to reproduce this problem in Emacs 29.
You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> So I'm unable to reproduce this problem in Emacs 29.
>
> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?
More information was requested, but no response was given within a
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> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@HIDDEN> [2021-11-25 12:46:54 +0100]:
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> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?
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Sam Steingold <sds@HIDDEN> writes:
>> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?
>
> No,
>
> f runs the command gnus-summary-followup (found in gnus-summary-mode-map)=
, which is an interactive
> native compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98gnus-msg.el=E2=80=99.
>
> It is bound to f, S f, <menu-bar> <post> <Followup>.
>
> (gnus-summary-followup YANK &optional FORCE-NEWS)
>
> Sorry, I thought I sent this long ago...
No prob; reopening this bug report, then.
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