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Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:27:58 +0000 Received: by kubenode514.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 38015cc5421e404b6614316c0f6b1235; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:27:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> <87h79y1vne.fsf@HIDDEN> <YevqWiKGGklPuW5x@HIDDEN> <87zgnot2rn.fsf@HIDDEN> <Yevu9MvCR8srRckz@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:27:48 +0800 In-Reply-To: <Yevu9MvCR8srRckz@HIDDEN> (Alan Third's message of "Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:48:04 +0000") Message-ID: <87v8yct0or.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 674 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: >> Hmm? Shouldn't that kind of thing only apply to regular menus (as on X >> with a tookit and GTK), and not the menu bar? > What's the "menu bar" if not the toolkit menus? On every other toolkit (and at least GNUstep, which I just verified), the menu bar doesn't interfere with the usual event loop. Though unfortunately GNUstep doesn't implement willHighlightItem, so I can only implement help text for macOS. The only time a nested event loop is run is when a menu is created with `x-popup-menu', and that's to make it easy to return a value from that function. That's also what I was referring to by "regular menus". Thanks.
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ZXewM_TXNXJs7gJPGfB7AjaplbZ4oDxJE4T6COTibeTyeEPusCxVM X-Sonic-MF: <luangruo@HIDDEN> Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:43:02 +0000 Received: by kubenode514.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3c02bdbc2b83db167c822e22f2f09d61; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:42:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> <87h79y1vne.fsf@HIDDEN> <YevqWiKGGklPuW5x@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:42:52 +0800 In-Reply-To: <YevqWiKGGklPuW5x@HIDDEN> (Alan Third's message of "Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:28:26 +0000") Message-ID: <87zgnot2rn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 362 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > It certainly used to be the case that, at least on macOS, opening a > menu would freeze Emacs completely, as the menu code would go into its > own event loop. Perhaps that's no longer the case. Hmm? Shouldn't that kind of thing only apply to regular menus (as on X with a tookit and GTK), and not the menu bar? Thanks.
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Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:20:41 +0000 Received: by kubenode501.mail-prod1.omega.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 316b68883077c6119d7467606e28da9e; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:20:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> (Alan Third's message of "Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:11:50 +0000") Message-ID: <m1sfti8rx9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1148 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > On 20 January 2022 10:16:01 GMT, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote: >>Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: >> >>> I was under the impression that the help text appears in a tooltip. We >>> had a recent bug report where the wrong text was sometimes appearing >>> in the tooltip, but that should be fixed now, at least on master. >>> >>> I'd be surprised if there's no tooltip at all or the tooltip is empty, >>> it's a function provided by the toolkit. >> >>Do you mean on Macos or Debian? In Macos, I'm getting no tooltips when >>using the menu. (And I'd be surprised to be getting them, really, >>because the Macos menus are separated from the Emacs frame.) > > Oh, sorry, I totally misread this and thought it was about the toolbar. > > You're right, I don't expect tooltips to appear for menu items and I'm not sure whether it's even possible to update the Emacs frame while the menus are open. The "Mac port" is able to show the help description in the echo area when you point on an item in the menu bar. It'd be interesting to see how it does it and if we could implement the same approach.
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If you'd like, I'll take a stab at implementing the display of menu bar help text in the echo area on NS later today, or tomorrow. Thanks. > You're right, I don't expect tooltips to appear for menu items and I'm > not sure whether it's even possible to update the Emacs frame while > the menus are open. I think it is. The echo area redisplays normally, to the best of my knowledge.
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Full text available.Received: (at 52994) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2022 11:14:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 20 06:14:21 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nAVOX-0003J2-Op for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:14:21 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48306) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nAVOW-0003Ir-CD for 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:14:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lfVny6fG63jN3u9DpkF95b6/r0AaMibLkMZtmyeTeEw=; b=J+cL9QYNxBIiyl6uXsIFB37lEo mjcS9LtSzQnyPyq6mL1pe/nYa7R91jeq8ALXdHQC56C5PkSAGHdToJbudzCcS7iYYs3MgBZGLzbYi /Reki8ON/Jc7/aiMtQLkuE10L+/6s7TgltekdyRYAgi8mrKUzBGl9LKyYRf76IEIlh0o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nAVON-0004tA-Cf; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:14:13 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX9MyfsT0qqYIj0 s6j+KhzrKCb/////auvyAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+YBFAoOOrvKyq0AAAGfSURBVDjL dVLBjuMgDDUa945Lcp8y6r2I2buj9d5pJf7/V9aQQCE7a0UQnu33wDbAj3a9/YzDVxgOKAymOX7V jRkZRQT022O+PnUlWldKJudVLjlTIktkElyyL3Z/3bzPV/379HfvIUHOXiF/e/nRQUmpsuSc8p+s NGVJKV0ykDqKphqTi9+6FXFD9n3bLcYYKjzjwCIuHvHjWxEYPyKCUo7hekbBGK2cwqU4fkdkCpZ7 sKK1HO7BRAvD4FBTJvcgKzPPbjFYEZmE6wNd0CzhNxWysvGHo5o2vUDPW7SNccjQA3UlHkWM3Vt4 wmHrNCcR0688xZdyFmtVGDXKRDTrtarl2GkOT3fwW5kLbS8IyGgG7FzClrIt9F9HlUeU3pPyPDR4 OKYsli1g6E9BKGlY+m4Cbo95emqdtVns4GxiojbL9bHi1noKS8Hf47OvW+m54vIPjUJ8xovqUnGG cdg1POhdW/zzej9UXaFBjgfPNftU8KLKusU2tgSvdFx+wuGZn+qoNBMOT7/qWmgajrvjQmurrhni p/GJy/Fj+zD9Bbo5dAwFOT7kAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTAxLTIwVDEwOjE0OjU4 KzAwOjAwD3dhIgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wMS0yMFQxMDoxNDo1OCswMDowMH4q 2Z4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Trini Lopez's _Special Club: Hiver 81-82_: "Remember" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:14:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> (Alan Third's message of "Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:11:50 +0000") Message-ID: <87zgnq1wxp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > You're right, I don't expect tooltips to appear for menu items and I'm > not sure whether it's even possible to update the Emacs frame while > the menus are open. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > You're right, I don't expect tooltips to appear for menu items and I'm > not sure whether it's even possible to update the Emacs frame while > the menus are open. Right. Perhaps there should be a setting to emulate the action of tooltip-mode off when using the menus only? In other words, an option to display the menu bar help texts in the echo area. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 52994) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2022 11:12:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 20 06:12:02 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56490 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nAVMI-0003FK-6a for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:12:02 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:47197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <alan@HIDDEN>) id 1nAVMG-0003Ep-3c for 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:12:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B5551F1; Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1642677112; bh=aH6v8fZbFWAhT68XExEkgelGGo3tUekbP4PxkQl7bH8=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Iuv+E3Dq3M87FJ4OjA2l2tpmj8fZun+SZaHvo4cNOWcD2JEDRyImh11Tv1xEg0Qdn Xj/3vdwsPF9jIxIi+TPq/GilftgcousZ0IzaIZ5v89x0ACKhJg4DlS453PSVDiP/Ak NnF5uYWua7OvetPFNsG7QyErT4EUSVEKX2xf4cLfS3ajeKXCcM3P+3oAwmIYEIPEUZ cSQ16vfJ9o1Wsj52CJrOk0lTC3OvCtz5fZRz6RdAnjOKxWq1HaCYMYReMm+H+OLDAU 3FHAxDbu1JMH6IjWuU1M4D9v/OpbtoDVSOrLTtqA/nCSOUj52BRPPEXKTVIJplt/j7 PiN5CJLX4S/WA== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:11:50 +0000 From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_bug=2352994=3A_29=2E0=2E50=3B_Help_descriptions_fro?= =?US-ASCII?Q?m_menu_bar_items_don=27t_appear_in_the_echo_area?= In-Reply-To: <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> <87o8463e72.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <F25D3000-CD77-4386-82C6-F05ECF94BF19@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Mart=EDn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 20 January 2022 10:16:01 GMT, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus=2Eorg> wrot= e: >Alan Third <alan@idiocy=2Eorg> writes: > >> I was under the impression that the help text appears in a tooltip=2E W= e >> had a recent bug report where the wrong text was sometimes appearing >> in the tooltip, but that should be fixed now, at least on master=2E >> >> I'd be surprised if there's no tooltip at all or the tooltip is empty, >> it's a function provided by the toolkit=2E > >Do you mean on Macos or Debian? In Macos, I'm getting no tooltips when >using the menu=2E (And I'd be surprised to be getting them, really, >because the Macos menus are separated from the Emacs frame=2E) Oh, sorry, I totally misread this and thought it was about the toolbar=2E You're right, I don't expect tooltips to appear for menu items and I'm not= sure whether it's even possible to update the Emacs frame while the menus = are open=2E
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > I was under the impression that the help text appears in a tooltip. We > had a recent bug report where the wrong text was sometimes appearing > in the tooltip, but that should be fixed now, at least [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> writes: > I was under the impression that the help text appears in a tooltip. We > had a recent bug report where the wrong text was sometimes appearing > in the tooltip, but that should be fixed now, at least on master. > > I'd be surprised if there's no tooltip at all or the tooltip is empty, > it's a function provided by the toolkit. Do you mean on Macos or Debian? In Macos, I'm getting no tooltips when using the menu. (And I'd be surprised to be getting them, really, because the Macos menus are separated from the Emacs frame.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 52994) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2022 12:37:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 15 07:37:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39337 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n8iIw-0001Sq-O5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:37:10 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:41337) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <alan@HIDDEN>) id 1n8iIv-0001Sc-Gu for 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:37:10 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00751821; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1642250223; bh=jMGNImQCGn6JJI4UODCOG0oMWZIuryWkWShImy8hjm4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=YDQP3LuFgHzmEnBMJASubyRro/e+dv840QG6OUmVBUmehH9ID/7edOnFy8LnRz3A0 yaxGnNTT686eucNmvsv/InQVoDv0FsyTNO2Fx4R0geX8nTumnd6KhYyOFd6qw3RdWx 0LJUDn1GaRxz8Y6jZJf7niVkq38pR4RWRmeII2Cj46hzwOze4FzC+ydghXM4W62lN7 nNCSX56qQlGK3saqLfguj+AalvR+0rzAlypAiqj3yGvVFU6hhGoWEGOZ56Jqg6Y/V6 DmZZbynPJIDGOeYErKMo/pnhRtmCY70RvB6aFtYgd7KMeQepv9qoiKji1mpmD92BBh wfh0JkFsW8eSQ== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from <alan@HIDDEN>) id 1n8iIp-002Ro3-Bn; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:37:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:37:03 +0000 From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area Message-ID: <YeK/71Y+ulBX9jet@HIDDEN> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN>, 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 09:39:58AM +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Daniel Martín <mardani29@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Steps to reproduce the problem: > > > > emacs -Q > > Click on File, place the mouse over "Visit New File", but don't click it. > > > > Expected results: > > > > "Specify a new file's name, to edit the file", which is the value for > > the :help keyword of that menu item, appears in the echo area, or > > perhaps in a tooltip. > > > > Actual results: > > > > Nothing appears in the echo area. > > I'm unable to reproduce this problem on Debian -- is this a Macos > problem only? > > On Macos, the menu is separated from the Emacs frame, and I'm guessing > it's impossible to do tooltips up there. But I guess it could show the > tooltips in the echo area? I.e., kinda emulate having tooltip-mode off > when doing the menus? > > I've added Alan to the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. I was under the impression that the help text appears in a tooltip. We had a recent bug report where the wrong text was sometimes appearing in the tooltip, but that should be fixed now, at least on master. I'd be surprised if there's no tooltip at all or the tooltip is empty, it's a function provided by the toolkit. -- Alan Third
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Full text available.Received: (at 52994) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 08:40:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 14 03:40:10 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n8I82-00018q-Dj for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1n8I80-00018W-FF for 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 03:40:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Lf2SSbe27cXAaq6638JlKr0QY0AlEzoOqCRC/vUGbmQ=; b=hzZ0Lng79Y8PAQBieiAp+gNUjc rVKKDNS742G6IyYzKNpi+0FmWcFGehfOKovK/84g2toHbacGq6uwxESIGQWs0B0sIkylnmwk3wVvl Wu2HyzGHn5q0MjgD/yGIwlQcb7XyfnfXJoAZE+eBUEe+bDZeoszonysTh0PHX77fV0Rg=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1n8I7r-0001mH-Ce; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:40:02 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#52994: 29.0.50; Help descriptions from menu bar items don't appear in the echo area References: <m18rvwwebj.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Various's _I Wanna Be Kate: The Songs of Kate Bush_: "Nocturn (feat. Carol Keogh)" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:39:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <m18rvwwebj.fsf@HIDDEN> ("Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn=22's?= message of "Tue, 04 Jan 2022 01:10:40 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6fyr9r5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Daniel MartÃn <mardani29@HIDDEN> writes: > Steps to reproduce the problem: > > emacs -Q > Click on File, place the mouse over "Visit New File", but don't click it. > > Expected results: > > "Specify a new file's name, to edit the file", whic [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52994 Cc: 52994 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Daniel Mart=C3=ADn <mardani29@HIDDEN> writes: > Steps to reproduce the problem: > > emacs -Q > Click on File, place the mouse over "Visit New File", but don't click it. > > Expected results: > > "Specify a new file's name, to edit the file", which is the value for > the :help keyword of that menu item, appears in the echo area, or > perhaps in a tooltip. > > Actual results: > > Nothing appears in the echo area. I'm unable to reproduce this problem on Debian -- is this a Macos problem only? On Macos, the menu is separated from the Emacs frame, and I'm guessing it's impossible to do tooltips up there. But I guess it could show the tooltips in the echo area? I.e., kinda emulate having tooltip-mode off when doing the menus? I've added Alan to the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Expected results: "Specify a new file's name, to edit the file", which is the value for the :help keyword of that menu item, appears in the echo area, or perhaps in a tooltip. Actual results: Nothing appears in the echo area. If you run Emacs in a console, it works correctly (press F10 to open the menu bar). In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin20.6.0, NS appkit-2022.60 Version 11.6 (Build 20G165)) of 2022-01-03 built on Daniels-MacBook-Pro.local Repository revision: 5c63786cb9873ab2b61b5ad511c84df9cd56ce87 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2022 System Description: macOS 11.6 Configured features: ACL DBUS GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_ES.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: ELisp/l Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Daniel MartÃn <mardani29@HIDDEN>
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