Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 10:30:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 14 05:30:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n8JqV-0004xn-LB for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:30:11 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62291) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <van.ly@HIDDEN>) id 1n8JqR-0004wZ-NB for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:30:10 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@HIDDEN [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 20EAU68U003425 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:06 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 20EAU5QD014216; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:05 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 In-Reply-To: <83ilun3fwx.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <98cedd-8240-537b-a738-6c4ddc609112@HIDDEN> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> <83o84f3j65.fsf@HIDDEN> <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@HIDDEN> <83ilun3fwx.fsf@HIDDEN> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> >> cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are >>> not shown at all, is that right? >>> >> >> No. I think, I'm asking for the echo area to be readable when text >> is there. > > Then I don't understand what you wanted to say by this part: > >>>> I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to >>>> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't >>>> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. > > This seems to mean that you don't want the tooltip text to be > displayed in the echo area. But if it isn't displayed in the echo > area, where do you want it to be displayed? > Come to think of it, what I'd like is a volume dial for adjusting the verbosity level closer to zero in the echo area and as a fallback I can always jump to the *Messages* buffer and see. The unwanted tooltip text can pool there. Maybe, the verbosity levels can be . 100% All . 75% Chatty . 50% Balanced . 25% Important only . 0% Quiet Specific to this bug report. The problem is the modeline context menu gets in the way of reading the echo area and the fix is, as you've said, is for an avoid area hint to tell modeline context menu where to go. >> When I've disabled the text associated with the tooltip by >> setting tooltip-mode to nil, I assumed I wouldn't have reached this >> point where I have to ask for the tooltip text not to show. > > The doc string of tooltip-mode says, among other things: > > When Tooltip mode is disabled, Emacs displays help text in the > echo area, instead of making a pop-up window. > ah, without confirming the in the documentation, I was in the mistaken belief when tooltip mode is disabled the associated text description is on mute or masked out. Thanks. -- vl
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#53188; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 13:48:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 08:48:42 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n80T3-0001XI-SM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57178) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n80T1-0001X1-QX for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:40 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=43788 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n80Sw-00086E-ES; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=X6czC9CKhj8LS2bv7pgabBRSPRKzF9mAjbZbX7h6aUQ=; b=nrR7v8sBaUVA ioichxVPu0wBnNVSJyyWlv91FYpJ9mUUwxn1bB3Mu6rrVKipHk1Bhq0TcjAwr80UmPw4/fW/Qv/K/ XTs4uglSJpeIhfYfw5dT64PXL/4ZTfT+B73kZLmDeeQ7hRpsbHb2QNt5LyC7UyEqu5QoamfGPF4IB 12i3QZvNq1ikcJtGJs7nrPCXElVM/uyyM+cGZm/s5nGqEAjZibI7qv7odswYnbziE6CJK8G/IzY5c 4q2GfAjmqhKWk/XTE2mhwBXhVDUCygeT2LP8kbr60VTvQKJWTjB+xDq3dGKPTX2Z+RwXUj5LN1TsF Ud0TShW9dLao0veudXc+PA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2378 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n80Sw-0002g4-Df; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:48:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:48:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83ilun3fwx.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@HIDDEN> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> <83o84f3j65.fsf@HIDDEN> <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> > cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes > >> an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing > >> does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > >> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > >> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I > >> restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area > >> partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default > >> on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read > >> all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text > >> masked out from every output channel. > > > > So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are > > not shown at all, is that right? > > > > No. I think, I'm asking for the echo area to be readable when text > is there. Then I don't understand what you wanted to say by this part: > >> I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > >> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > >> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. This seems to mean that you don't want the tooltip text to be displayed in the echo area. But if it isn't displayed in the echo area, where do you want it to be displayed? > When I've disabled the text associated with the tooltip by > setting tooltip-mode to nil, I assumed I wouldn't have reached this > point where I have to ask for the tooltip text not to show. The doc string of tooltip-mode says, among other things: When Tooltip mode is disabled, Emacs displays help text in the echo area, instead of making a pop-up window.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#53188; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 13:24:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 08:24:49 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n805x-00070z-Ke for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:24:49 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:60614) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <van.ly@HIDDEN>) id 1n805v-00070q-1D for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:24:48 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@HIDDEN [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 20DDOj8J005192 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:45 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 20DDOhOo022670; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 In-Reply-To: <83o84f3j65.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@HIDDEN> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> <83o84f3j65.fsf@HIDDEN> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes >> an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing >> does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to >> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't >> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I >> restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area >> partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default >> on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read >> all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text >> masked out from every output channel. > > So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are > not shown at all, is that right? > No. I think, I'm asking for the echo area to be readable when text is there. The context menu from the modeline does not get in the way. When I've disabled the text associated with the tooltip by setting tooltip-mode to nil, I assumed I wouldn't have reached this point where I have to ask for the tooltip text not to show. -- vl
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Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 12:38:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 07:38:28 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60409 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n7zN6-0005ai-Ik for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7zN4-0005aQ-47 for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:27 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=42590 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7zMx-0004K5-Jg; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Sug5d8qvNEOg1/Q7gUBg73oGpR4nZ/ITE5U8nV2AVrc=; b=jrj5uSMuqFhF SnDTH0BQ+IFRFB7Xnlpm55az/U8BVmXG+Y+Gb3wqZSmSybxcZDaIwsHbHk5DX3PRui0gEpv4nJ7OJ jwPQ1fp4YjRPIUCqp7/f9Bj/VqPB8vWM2a/Da6ntE4T1TiRhI4DVkTdBG2tGGm+b8VG4D92g0b4p5 dRhA0tH+EkcKx0ZziH16POPdGzAGTV1u3gvCtWVhaI2J8lmmFvygKYR5xdJC67LSa+BbdE2fRxLIC Voj/+b+Q0f6jguDF3y1OTOEN2eu9Y540TYv1KyMccZ9alsEOycvlYyDIQp275MkEM/5SiEFIQ3bKp JXcWSaXQ7S8Su8PmeGjg3g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2036 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7zMp-0008P6-M2; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:38:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83o84f3j65.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> > cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Maybe tooltip-mode should be silent in the echo-area once nil is set. > > > > I don't think I follow: do you mean that we should suppress _all_ > > help-echo text when tooltip-mode is nil? That'd be too drastic, I > > think, and unjustified. > > > > The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes > an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing > does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I > restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area > partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default > on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read > all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text > masked out from every output channel. So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are not shown at all, is that right?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#53188; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 11:16:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 06:16:45 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60323 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n7y61-0000q5-2Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 06:16:45 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:59226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <van.ly@HIDDEN>) id 1n7y5w-0000ps-R9 for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 06:16:43 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@HIDDEN [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 20DBGdc2001520 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:39 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 20DBGbqu004585; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:37 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 In-Reply-To: <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@HIDDEN> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Maybe tooltip-mode should be silent in the echo-area once nil is set. > > I don't think I follow: do you mean that we should suppress _all_ > help-echo text when tooltip-mode is nil? That'd be too drastic, I > think, and unjustified. > The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text masked out from every output channel. -- vl
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Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 10:00:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 05:00:14 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n7wtx-0004mo-NY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:00:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7wtv-0004la-VN for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:00:13 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=40914 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7wtp-0003w9-Hf; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:00:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=d16O/OX/C17b3iJi03tY9vRBycIy/wmpzRBYwSSYV58=; b=hmTbxijoor1N o66yFASFLdQ+ff5bIJOGLj6XRXBp9PY4B4J2fZQckc/OC5UMXu+p+rJyDfucMKOFFW4Xr1+7NxEJo PhgQZmLJXKVIRdEe4hPrI2ixPzXZeLT0rgmhWbNoQLvh2O2audIxTZO/7zad9hi83lMfbzIl217pS L9LOqt3z8kQ1qQjpc+nWNVUGTjrGmcWWl7p5SoCJH01w9JCfS22+Av/HLBvqUZwT6CBK3XF2Ca7+j VHkNKFQKfXte6n0w5oUtHl06m0GHGP3P44FK2T4Q0+qpOg8G6VT+d/rOqBF4f7binFqDtf/Ga98qI v2BU4jgVPEDRlcGhfRv+Zw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4320 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7wtl-0004Nn-LV; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:00:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:59:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83y23k2bxd.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:26:11 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:26:11 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> > cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> expected behavior > >> * minibuffer's message line is readable for the length of the width > >> of the emacs frame, modeline context menu offsets appropriately and > >> does not block minibuffer message line > > > > Patches are welcome to pop up the menus so that they never overlap the > > echo-area when tooltip-mode is nil. (This must be done up front, when > > calculating where to pop up the menu.) > > > > I do note that the most important use case where this comes into play, > > which is menus on text-mode frames, already behaves that way. So the > > problem is rather small and confined to a somewhat marginal use case. > > > > Maybe tooltip-mode should be silent in the echo-area once nil is set. I don't think I follow: do you mean that we should suppress _all_ help-echo text when tooltip-mode is nil? That'd be too drastic, I think, and unjustified.
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If it helps, Motif provides some feature to define custom areas of a screen where XmMenuShells should avoid, but I don't remember what it is. Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#53188; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2022 17:16:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 11 12:16:51 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1n7KlO-0006jr-46 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:16:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7KlI-0006jS-Lv for 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:16:48 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=53020 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7KlD-0008Ki-Es; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:16:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=JLpZ7Ozrngj1K5p7WAP7z30XDB/+TX/X2XphtluRkBI=; b=kLFYbZywcexx AH+7pYhygWuyRkE70FWlQ+uYtq6ev7A2vWuNEipaytG6YMJzHX/2TVLGlbIXV2UeCA8CF4TZfFpDT IOGG3qImtPcAa8i6jR7jyOgggkzCaBrdSfqa8Jk/LEkv9c7sMz81AjMq8POrnMwlouGGTkhxAFioW lPa8PXxe0X6/9Mgsv3ZGLUoKxTLvmIU1TJT4xD+InUpNWjBB5B7jYYkNVFVDzLd2+lex5R2yc9Ehq VHV/WfJRRZI9XhPgIklZArkVqav+Ck8JU2Ie5evaVivFugPSOIVNXTQ25kHwLz/Gbmq5WZB/rOHvw da+KuuYctFvPEs+DQRT3+g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1406 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1n7KlB-0004Cb-LZ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:16:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 19:16:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83mtk26vm9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> (message from Van Ly on Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:59:23 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53188 Cc: 53188 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:59:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly <van.ly@HIDDEN> > > observed behavior > * minibuffer's message line is blocked by modeline context menu at > column 36 > > expected behavior > * minibuffer's message line is readable for the length of the width > of the emacs frame, modeline context menu offsets appropriately and > does not block minibuffer message line Patches are welcome to pop up the menus so that they never overlap the echo-area when tooltip-mode is nil. (This must be done up front, when calculating where to pop up the menu.) I do note that the most important use case where this comes into play, which is menus on text-mode frames, already behaves that way. So the problem is rather small and confined to a somewhat marginal use case. Thanks.
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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-176518993-1641909563=:21710 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Hello, When tooltip-mode is off, the minibuffer displays the message in place of the tooltip. For the modeline context menu items, the minibuffer's message line is blocked by the context menu at column 36. steps to reproduce * start emacs by 'emacs -Q' * apply M-x customize-variable RET tooltip-mode RET * turn off tooltip-mode * goto *scratch* buffer * apply mouse button-3 to display modeline context menu * on hover over 'Overwrite(Ovwrt)' the minibuffer message line is readable to column 36 and the rest of the minibuffer is blocked by the modeline context menu observed behavior * minibuffer's message line is blocked by modeline context menu at column 36 expected behavior * minibuffer's message line is readable for the length of the width of the emacs frame, modeline context menu offsets appropriately and does not block minibuffer message line -- vl --0-176518993-1641909563=:21710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name=bug-gnu-emacs-28.0.90.text Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: <2652c3a-444f-6a2d-82aa-22928c8ef4a@HIDDEN> Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; 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