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Antoine Beaupr=C3=A9 <anarcat@HIDDEN> writes:
> A time followed by a negative/positive number is the standard way (ISO)
> to show the timezone. Not sure parenthesis would be much clearer, it
> would carry potentially even more ambiguity.
It's the standard way to represent a time zone, but it's not the normal
way applications present time zones.
> Couldn't that display be at least customize'able?
People use the defaults, and the defaults should be reasonable, so this
should be fixed, but it's not clear how.
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On 2022-01-22 12:29:47, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Antoine Beaupr=C3=A9 <anarcat@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> True, but which one do you pick? This is not only possible in theory:
>> it's absolutely possible someone messes that up and generates a ics file
>> that has different timezones for start and end. I've seen this happen in
>> Nextcloud, which makes you pick a timezone for *both* times,
>> manually. People frequently mess it up.
>
> It's really unusual, though, and making the common case harder to read
> to cover an odd edge case isn't ideal. If the time zones are indeed
> different, then they should be displayed, but if not, not.
But then you end up with the same usability problem, in that case. I
want to address that degenerate case.
>>> and it should be formatted in a different, less
>>> ambiguous way, but I'm not sure how.
>>
>> Maybe using a different separator? Say:
>>
>> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 to 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
>>
>> or:
>>
>> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 @ 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
>>
>> ?
>
> It's not really an improvement. Perhaps the time zone could be in a
> parentheses somewhere, and explicitly say that it's a time zone.
A time followed by a negative/positive number is the standard way (ISO)
to show the timezone. Not sure parenthesis would be much clearer, it
would carry potentially even more ambiguity.
> Or a tooltip, and then we could list both the numeric and the symbolic
> name for the timezone.
That is far beyond what i can provide in terms of Emacs programming. :p
>>> And if it's in the local time zone, it probably shouldn't be included at
>>> all.
>>
>> Well that's exactly the problem here. Local time might be assumed
>> sometimes, but in certain remote work environment, it's a serious
>> mistake, because it's really ambiguous.
>
> That's true, and having it be explicit helps making sure.
I'm happy to see my patch adapted somehow, if people have the energy for
that.
Couldn't that display be at least customize'able?
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Antoine Beaupr=C3=A9 <anarcat@HIDDEN> writes:
> True, but which one do you pick? This is not only possible in theory:
> it's absolutely possible someone messes that up and generates a ics file
> that has different timezones for start and end. I've seen this happen in
> Nextcloud, which makes you pick a timezone for *both* times,
> manually. People frequently mess it up.
It's really unusual, though, and making the common case harder to read
to cover an odd edge case isn't ideal. If the time zones are indeed
different, then they should be displayed, but if not, not.
>> and it should be formatted in a different, less
>> ambiguous way, but I'm not sure how.
>
> Maybe using a different separator? Say:
>
> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 to 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
>
> or:
>
> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 @ 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
>
> ?
It's not really an improvement. Perhaps the time zone could be in a
parentheses somewhere, and explicitly say that it's a time zone.
Or a tooltip, and then we could list both the numeric and the symbolic
name for the timezone.
>> And if it's in the local time zone, it probably shouldn't be included at
>> all.
>
> Well that's exactly the problem here. Local time might be assumed
> sometimes, but in certain remote work environment, it's a serious
> mistake, because it's really ambiguous.
That's true, and having it be explicit helps making sure.
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On 2022-01-21 11:16:18, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>> 2022/1/25 13:00-14:00 Next team meeting
>> Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
>>
>> After:
>>
>> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 - 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
>> Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
>
> That looks very confusing, I think -- I first read that as a
> mis-formatted time range from 13:00 to 05:00.
I'm used to seeing times with a trailing offset, so I don't find this
that confusing anymore. But I know where you're coming from.
> If we want to include the time zone in the display, it shouldn't be
> appended to both the start and end times (it's unlikely that they're in
> different time zones),
True, but which one do you pick? This is not only possible in theory:
it's absolutely possible someone messes that up and generates a ics file
that has different timezones for start and end. I've seen this happen in
Nextcloud, which makes you pick a timezone for *both* times,
manually. People frequently mess it up.
So I would suggest keeping both.
> and it should be formatted in a different, less
> ambiguous way, but I'm not sure how.
Maybe using a different separator? Say:
2022/1/25 13:00-0500 to 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
or:
2022/1/25 13:00-0500 @ 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
?
> And if it's in the local time zone, it probably shouldn't be included at
> all.
Well that's exactly the problem here. Local time might be assumed
sometimes, but in certain remote work environment, it's a serious
mistake, because it's really ambiguous.
I had to repeatedly do the conversions (and look at the .ics source!) to
make sure it's local time. And I keep forgetting, somehow. Reading the
source code *kind* of helped, but made me frankly a little more confused
about the entire thing.
I understand this might be controversial, for people that maintain their
own agenda or work only with local times and don't have to deal with
timezones. But for people working fully remote, this makes the rendering
pretty much unusable, as I can't trust it.
How about making this configurable, maybe?
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> 2022/1/25 13:00-14:00 Next team meeting
> Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
>
> After:
>
> 2022/1/25 13:00-0500 - 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
> Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
That looks very confusing, I think -- I first read that as a
mis-formatted time range from 13:00 to 05:00.
If we want to include the time zone in the display, it shouldn't be
appended to both the start and end times (it's unlikely that they're in
different time zones), and it should be formatted in a different, less
ambiguous way, but I'm not sure how.
And if it's in the local time zone, it probably shouldn't be included at
all.
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Hi,
I am using notmuch to read my mail and, in the beautiful spirint of not
reinventing the wheel, it is itself using the icalendar/diary.el
libraries Emacs provides to render calendar files. This is great, but
there's a few problems in daily use:
1. the default date format is American. I understand Americans first
built Emacs, but its use has largely spread outside of the United
States of America which has another, standard, time format called
ISO 8601. workaround: (setq calendar-date-style 'iso)
2. the rendered time is ambiguous. normally, it should be the local
time, but that's not obvious when you receive an event notification,
because the rest of the message might indicate other information
For example, here's how a recent event notification (received from
Nextcloud) looked like in notmuch:
```
user via Nextcloud <noreply@HIDDEN> (Today 11:59) (attachment tor)
Subject: Next team meeting
To: Anarcat <anarcat@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:59:13 +0000
Reply-To: user <user@HIDDEN>
[ multipart/mixed ]
[ multipart/alternative ]
[ text/plain ]
Invitation
Next team meeting
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 3:00 PM - 4:00 PM (America/Montevideo)
Accept: https://nc.example.net/apps/dav/invitation/accept/[redacted]
Decline: https://nc.example.net/apps/dav/invitation/decline/[redacted]
More options at https://nc.example.net/apps/dav/invitation/moreOptions/[redacted]
--
Nextcloud - a safe home for all your data
This is an automatically sent email, please do not reply.
[ text/html (hidden) ]
[ event.ics: text/calendar ]
2022/1/25 13:00-14:00 Next team meeting
Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
```
Now there's a few interesting things to notice here:
1. the invitation itself mentions the timezone (America/Montevideo) and
is therefore unambiguous
2. Emacs is rendering the time correctly: the local timezone is
America/Eastern and that equivalent time is indeed 13:00
3. but that's pretty confusing: the timezone above says
"America/Montevideo" so you'd be tempted to think the time below
would *also* be in that timezone
4. it also doesn't help that the invitation uses AM/PM time format
(e.g. 3PM, easily confused with 13:00) instead of 24h (e.g. 15:00,
which would be more obviously different from 13:00), of course
something that's outside Emacs's control
5. the "ISO" date format (2022/1/25) shown above, is actually
incorrect: it should be 2022-01-25. that's a separate issue
My main concern here is number 4. The message is ambiguous, and Emacs is
not helping. It would be helpful if, after doing all that hard work of
parsing the ICS file, Emacs would give me as much information as it
could and actually tell me the timezone we're talking about here.
I have a patch here that will do exactly that. It changes the time
format to include a timezone (which is the local timezone, normally) and
adds extra spacing between the two times to make it more readable.
Before:
2022/1/25 13:00-14:00 Next team meeting
Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
After:
2022/1/25 13:00-0500 - 14:00-0500 Next team meeting
Organizer: mailto:user@HIDDEN
The patch:
--- /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/calendar/icalendar.el.gz 2022-01-20 14:54:49.872034436 -0500
+++ .emacs.d/elisp/icalendar.el.gz 2022-01-20 14:54:49.872034436 -0500
@@ -787,7 +787,7 @@
(defun icalendar--datetime-to-colontime (datetime)
"Extract the time part of a decoded DATETIME into 24-hour format.
Note that this silently ignores seconds."
- (format "%02d:%02d" (nth 2 datetime) (nth 1 datetime)))
+ (format "%02d:%02d%+05d" (nth 2 datetime) (nth 1 datetime) (* (/ (nth 8 datetime) 3600) 100)))
(defun icalendar--get-month-number (monthname)
"Return the month number for the given MONTHNAME."
@@ -2475,7 +2475,7 @@
END-T is the event's end time in diary format."
(icalendar--dmsg "not all day event")
(cond (end-t
- (format "%s %s-%s"
+ (format "%s %s - %s"
(icalendar--datetime-to-diary-date
dtstart-dec "/")
start-t end-t))
I would also strongly encourage folks to consider switching to "ISO" by
default, or at least to fix the ISO format to be YYYY-MM-DD instead of
YYYY/MM/DD, because that format is just silly.
Thank you for everything,
a.
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Features:
(shadow emacsbug gnus-icalendar org-capture org-refile gnus-art pulse
cal-hebrew cus-edit warnings debug backtrace eieio-opt speedbar sb-image
ezimage dframe cl-print mm-uu help-fns radix-tree org-eldoc ol-eww eww
mm-url url-queue ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnir gnus-sum
gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source
utf7 netrc nnoo gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win ol-docview
doc-view image-mode exif ol-bibtex bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m org-clock ox-md
ox-odt rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn
nxml-parse nxml-ns nxml-enc xmltok nxml-util ox-latex ox-icalendar
ox-html table ox-ascii ox-publish ox org-element avl-tree org org-macro
org-footnote org-pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities org-version
ob-ledger ob ob-tangle org-src ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp ob-comint
ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table ol org-keys org-compat org-macs
org-loaddefs log-view vc-annotate gitlab-ci-mode url url-proxy
url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history debian-control-mode
dired-aux ruby-mode magit-patch magit-subtree magit-ediff ediff
ediff-merg ediff-mult ediff-wind ediff-diff ediff-help ediff-init
ediff-util yaml-mode auto-dictionary flyspell ispell vc vc-dispatcher
git-rebase async-bytecomp async two-column iso-transl mc-edit-lines
mc-hide-unmatched-lines-mode mc-mark-more mc-cycle-cursors
multiple-cursors-core ido shr-color conf-mode view ffap cua-rect rect
misearch multi-isearch mm-archive shr svg xml dom sendmail gnus nnheader
mml2015 qp sort fortune mail-extr mule-util bug-reference vc-git python
tramp-sh magit-extras magit-submodule magit-obsolete magit-blame
magit-stash magit-reflog magit-bisect magit-push magit-pull magit-fetch
magit-clone magit-remote magit-commit magit-sequence magit-notes
magit-worktree magit-tag magit-merge magit-branch magit-reset
magit-files magit-refs magit-status magit magit-repos magit-apply
magit-wip magit-log which-func magit-diff smerge-mode diff magit-core
magit-autorevert autorevert magit-margin magit-transient magit-process
git-commit log-edit pcvs-util add-log magit-mode transient magit-git
magit-section magit-utils with-editor pp company-oddmuse
company-keywords company-etags etags fileloop generator company-gtags
company-dabbrev-code company-dabbrev company-files company-capf
company-cmake company-xcode company-clang company-semantic company-eclim
company-template company-bbdb company flycheck-yamllint ws-butler time
server anarcat/init anarcat-notmuch-config notmuch hl-line notmuch-tree
notmuch-jump notmuch-hello notmuch-show notmuch-print notmuch-crypto
notmuch-mua notmuch-message notmuch-draft notmuch-maildir-fcc
notmuch-address notmuch-company notmuch-parser notmuch-wash diff-mode
coolj notmuch-query icalendar diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-menu calendar
cal-loaddefs notmuch-tag crm notmuch-lib notmuch-version notmuch-compat
mm-view mml-smime smime dig mailcap gnus-alias message dired
dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util
rmail rmail-loaddefs text-property-search mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode
mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr
mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader dockerfile-mode sh-script
smie executable crux tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration
files-x tramp-compat shell pcomplete parse-time iso8601 time-date
ls-lisp format-spec writegood-mode cua-base which-key
smart-mode-line-respectful-theme smart-mode-line rich-minority diminish
dimmer face-remap srcery-theme rainbow-mode wc markdown-toc puppet-mode
align hl-todo anarcat-tags anzu lsp-ui lsp-ui-flycheck lsp-ui-doc
goto-addr lsp-ui-imenu lsp-ui-peek lsp-ui-sideline flycheck find-func
lsp-mode edmacro kmacro lsp-protocol yasnippet-snippets yasnippet xref
project tree-widget wid-edit spinner pcase network-stream puny nsm rmc
markdown-mode color thingatpt noutline outline lv inline imenu ht
filenotify f s ewoc em-glob esh-util dash-functional dash jka-compr
paren icomplete grep compile comint ansi-color ring delsel cus-start
cus-load atomic-chrome advice websocket url-cookie url-domsuf url-util
bindat let-alist cl-extra help-mode use-package use-package-ensure
use-package-delight use-package-diminish use-package-bind-key bind-key
easy-mmode use-package-core devhelp preview-latex auto-loads tex-site
dpkg-dev-el info debian-el go-mode-autoloads rx package easymenu
browse-url url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core
cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq
seq-25 byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib
tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode
lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch
timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european
ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files
text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule
custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting
cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 998545 132364)
(symbols 48 49649 3)
(strings 32 202195 31142)
(string-bytes 1 6493247)
(vectors 16 107237)
(vector-slots 8 2158560 108356)
(floats 8 784 668)
(intervals 56 27935 9247)
(buffers 1000 142))
Antoine Beaupré <anarcat@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#53396; Package emacs.
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Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham,
1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
1994-97 Ian Jackson.