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There is some progress thanks to Stefan who gave a hint on the emacs help l=
ist.

There is a check in font-core.el which disables font lock for buffers start=
ing
with a space and the minibuffer is like that:

;; Don't turn on Font Lock mode if we don't have a display (we're running a
;; batch job) or if the buffer is invisible (the name starts with a space).

(when (or noninteractive (eq (aref (buffer-name) 0) ?\s))
=C2=A0(setq font-lock-mode nil))

https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/font-core.el#L133

If one comments these lines, reevalutes the function and then goes to=C2=
=A0
eval-expression, pastes this code into it:

=C2=A0 (progn (setq font-lock-mode t) (emacs-lisp-mode))

and evals this code right there in context (C-x C-e) then the lisp=C2=A0
code in the minibuffer gets font locking.

This is good, the only problem left to solve is that snippet affects
quitting from the minibuffer for some reason.

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ndame <laszlomail@HIDDEN> writes:

> ;; Don't turn on Font Lock mode if we don't have a display (we're running=
 a
> ;; batch job) or if the buffer is invisible (the name starts with a space=
).
>
> (when (or noninteractive (eq (aref (buffer-name) 0) ?\s))
> =C2=A0(setq font-lock-mode nil))
>
> https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/font-core.el#L133
>
> If one comments these lines, reevalutes the function and then goes to=C2=
=A0
> eval-expression, pastes this code into it:
>
> =C2=A0 (progn (setq font-lock-mode t) (emacs-lisp-mode))
>
> and evals this code right there in context (C-x C-e) then the lisp=C2=A0
> code in the minibuffer gets font locking.

Yes -- but I don't think this is something we can change at this point.
It's likely to break various things.

So if you want to do font locking things in the minibuffer, you have to
use minibuffer-setup-hook (or one of the other hooks) and set things
explicitly.

So I don't think there's anything to be done on the Emacs side here, but
perhaps I'm misunderstanding what this report is about?

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> Yes -- but I don't think this is something we can change at this point.
> It's likely to break various things.

Naturally, I did not post the final solution. If you check the bug
history they you can see that up to know it was not clear why font
lock does not work in the eval-expression prompt:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D46092

Stefan gave a hint that it is disabled in font lock mode and
this is the case. That's why I posted that proof of concept
code which shows that font locking does work there if we
remove the disabling code.

It should be implemented properly, hopefully in emacs 29, because
syntax highlight is useful to get elisp code easier to read, and
that's also true for code written into the eval-expression prompt.

>
> So I don't think there's anything to be done on the Emacs side here, but
> perhaps I'm misunderstanding what this report is about?

This report is a wish so that it's implemented for core emacs, so
font lock works by default in the eval expression prompt too, since
font lock is enabled by default in emacs for emacs lisp, so the
user rightly expects that it also works for code typed into
eval-expression.

The problem is as I wrote at the end of my previous mail, if you
follow my steps and enable font lock there then you see that font
locking elisp code does work, but then you can't quit the prompt
with C-g for some reason.

This is still a roadblock which should be investigated why this is.

In order to highlight elisp in eval-expression I changed the major
mode of the minibuffer to emacs-lisp-mode. Is that the reason?
If not so then what is? If so then why is changing the mode stops
C-g from working there?

So there are still roadblocks which have to be overcome to get
this feature work in emacs.

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ndame <laszlomail@HIDDEN> writes:

> Naturally, I did not post the final solution. If you check the bug
> history they you can see that up to know it was not clear why font
> lock does not work in the eval-expression prompt:
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=46092

You opened a new bug (bug#53507), so the context wasn't clear.  I'll
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> You opened a new bug (bug#53507), so the context wasn't clear. I'll
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Thanks. I sent the reply to 46092 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, but I also
CC'd emacs-bugs which apparently I shouldn't have done.

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ndame via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> In order to highlight elisp in eval-expression I changed the major
> mode of the minibuffer to emacs-lisp-mode. Is that the reason?
> If not so then what is? If so then why is changing the mode stops
> C-g from working there?

C-g is part of the mode that is normally active in the minibuffer,
`minibuffer-mode'.

Michael.

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ndame via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
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> In order to highlight elisp in eval-expression I changed the major
> mode of the minibuffer to emacs-lisp-mode. Is that the reason?
> If not so then what is? If so then why is changing the mode stops
> C-g from working there?

C-g is part of the mode that is normally active in the minibuffer,
`minibuffer-mode'.

Michael.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> So I don't think there's anything to be done on the Emacs side here, but
> perhaps I'm misunderstanding what this report is about?

Do we want to support syntax highlighting in eval-expression by default?
I would vote for it.

Michael.

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On Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 at 1:13 AM, Michael Heerdegen <michael_hee=
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> C-g is part of the mode that is normally active in the minibuffer,
>

Thanks, makes sense. I thought C-g was handled by some deeper layer.

So then I guess it's only a matter of merging the minibuffer keymap
with emacs lisp mode map in the eval-expression prompt.

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On Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 at 1:13 AM, Michael Heerdegen <michael_hee=
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> C-g is part of the mode that is normally active in the minibuffer,
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Thanks, makes sense. I thought C-g was handled by some deeper layer.

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with emacs lisp mode map in the eval-expression prompt.

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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:

> Do we want to support syntax highlighting in eval-expression by default?
> I would vote for it.

I think that might be nice, but I'd have to see how it works in practice
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> > Do we want to support syntax highlighting in eval-expression by default?
> > I would vote for it.
>
> I think that might be nice, but I'd have to see how it works in practice
> first.

Privately I am using a hack like this for quite a while:


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;; -*- lexical-binding: t -*-

(defvar my-read-expression-map
  (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap)))
    (set-keymap-parent map read-expression-map)
    (define-key map "\C-g" #'abort-minibuffers)
    (define-key map [up]   nil)
    (define-key map [down] nil)
    (define-key map "\C-j" #'newline)
    (define-key map "\r"   #'exit-minibuffer)
    (define-key map "\n"   #'exit-minibuffer)
    map))

(defun my-read-expression
    (prompt &optional initial-contents hist default read map)
  "Like `read-expression' but using emacs-lisp-mode like minibuffer."
  (minibuffer-with-setup-hook #'my-read-expression-setup-minibuffer
    (read-from-minibuffer prompt initial-contents
                          (or map my-read-expression-map) read
                          (or hist 'read-expression-history) default)))

(defun my-read-expression-setup-minibuffer ()
  (let ((inhibit-read-only t))
    ;; Without this the prompt would be painted like code
    (put-text-property 1 (minibuffer-prompt-end) 'font-lock-face 'minibuffe=
r-prompt))
  (emacs-lisp-mode)
  (use-local-map my-read-expression-map)
  (setq font-lock-mode t)
  (funcall font-lock-function 1)
  (goto-char (minibuffer-prompt-end))
  (when (looking-at ".*\n")
    (indent-sexp))
  (goto-char (point-max)))

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and I am quite happy with it.

Michael.

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Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes:

> 1. Font-locking a sexp you're typing isn't very
>    important.

Agreed.  Doesn't harm OTOH.

> 2. Turning on `emacs-lisp-mode' for reading the sexp
>    is overkill.  Unless you prevent it, it entails
>    running the mode hook, which can do all kinds of
>    things and might take a while.  It's likely to be
>    problematic.

The advantage would be that the user gets all his related settings
gratis.  But I guess making that the default is not acceptable anyway.

> 3. Although in principle it's only orthogonal, what
>    I'd propose is to concentrate on the _result_
>    sexp, instead of the input sexp to evaluate.

The minibuffer part is also important.  We do have completion and eldoc
when reading input, which is already very good.  Font-Lock is a minor
issue but is still helpful.  A part that currently is not that well
covered in the minibuffer, in my opinion, is multi-line expression
editing.

Michael.

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> A part that currently is not that well covered in the
> minibuffer, in my opinion, is multi-line expression editing.

I suppose just multiline editing is the main thing
that needs love - i.e., independent of what the
input might be.

As for multiline Lisp expression editing (as opposed
to better support for multiline input in general), I
guess what you mean is support for indentation and
operations on sexps, e.g. motion.  And you mentioned
font-locking.  Is there something more than that?
___

But as for `eval-expression' enhancements, I repeat
that IMO the main need for improvement is wrt the
output.  I think it's far more common to deal with a
complex output value than it is to input a complex
sexp for evaluation.

You'll no doubt point out that if we had better
input support users would use `M-:' to evaluate
more complex sexps. ;-)

Still, I think it'll remain the case that complex
sexps are eval'd more often in other ways (e.g.
`C-x C-e'), and that complex sexps will continue to
be more common on output than on input.
___

Yes, my comments here are no doubt a bit of a
distraction from the request - sorry.  But we could
have better treatment of the output immediately.
And we could bind `M-:' to `pp-eval-expression' by
default, now.

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>  Font-locking a sexp you're typing isn't very
>   important.

It may not be important for you, because you type
only simple expressions into eval-expression , but
others can use it differently.

I often paste multiline elisp snippets (e.g. 8-10
lines) into eval-expression which operate on the
current buffer (transforming content, etc). I'm
most of the time interestested in buffer changes,
not the result of the expression.

Such a snippet often needs small tewakings depending
on the current buffer content. In this case I
retrieve the snippet from the history of the eval
expression prompt and edit it right the in the
minibuffer.

When editing multiline snippets there, font locking
is important, because it makes it easier to read the
code (strings, etc.), just like in case of code  in
regular elisp buffers.

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> Personally, even when I use `M-:' mainly for a side effect, I'm often  > =
interested in the resulting value as well. The` M-:' dialog could be
> improved in both ways.

I agree that when eval-expression outputs a non-trivial expression
then the output should be formatted properly and maybe it should
be popped to a  buffer, because the echo area is not suitable
for examining a complex expression when it disappears with the
next command.

Why don't you open a separate bug about this?

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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:

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After playing with it for a few minutes, it seems very nice.  Perhaps
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