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Click on a menu. The mouse pointer shape should be the default arrow but
often it is the I shape that I expect when the mouse pointer is over
editable text. Occasionally it is the pointing hand that I expect when
the mouse pointer is over a hyperlink.

I think the following recipe will provoke this bug reliably. Start emacs 
with the -Q option. Drag the window to the top of the screen so that it 
maximises, then drag it down again to that it reverts to its previous size. 
Now open a menu; the mouse pointer seems to appear reliably as the I shape. 
This is on a new Compaq laptop running Windows 7. I can't get Emacs
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Subject: bug#5464: 23.1.91; Mouse pointer shape in menus on Windows 7
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"Francis Wright" <f.j.wright@HIDDEN> writes:

> Click on a menu. The mouse pointer shape should be the default arrow but
> often it is the I shape that I expect when the mouse pointer is over
> editable text. Occasionally it is the pointing hand that I expect when
> the mouse pointer is over a hyperlink.
>
> I think the following recipe will provoke this bug reliably. Start emacs with
> the -Q option. Drag the window to the top of the screen so that it maximises,
> then drag it down again to that it reverts to its previous size. Now open a
> menu; the mouse pointer seems to appear reliably as the I shape. This is on a
> new Compaq laptop running Windows 7. I can't get Emacs
> 23.1.1 to show the same bug on my previous laptop running Windows XP.
>
> In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600)
> of 2010-01-03 on PRETEST
> Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7600
> configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'

That was over 9 years ago.  Are you still seeing this in a modern
version of Emacs?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 01:31:37 +0200
> Cc: 5464 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> "Francis Wright" <f.j.wright@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > Click on a menu. The mouse pointer shape should be the default arrow but
> > often it is the I shape that I expect when the mouse pointer is over
> > editable text. Occasionally it is the pointing hand that I expect when
> > the mouse pointer is over a hyperlink.
> >
> > I think the following recipe will provoke this bug reliably. Start emacs with
> > the -Q option. Drag the window to the top of the screen so that it maximises,
> > then drag it down again to that it reverts to its previous size. Now open a
> > menu; the mouse pointer seems to appear reliably as the I shape. This is on a
> > new Compaq laptop running Windows 7. I can't get Emacs
> > 23.1.1 to show the same bug on my previous laptop running Windows XP.
> >
> > In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600)
> > of 2010-01-03 on PRETEST
> > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7600
> > configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'
> 
> That was over 9 years ago.  Are you still seeing this in a modern
> version of Emacs?

I can't, but these Heisenbugs are notoriously unreproducible.

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I still see peculiar mouse pointer shapes when using the menus on Emacs 26.=
3 on Windows 10 on my current laptop. Experimenting with this just now I ha=
ve noticed the pointer change to the busy hourglass shape several times for=
 no very obvious reason, just by moving it about over the help menu and its=
 submenus. But I can=92t give a reliable recipe for provoking this. I was a=
lso able to provoke the editing I-cursor shape just now, but not in a repro=
ducible way.

I can also provoke the mouse pointer to turn into an I-cursor when it is ov=
er the empty right-hand part of the toolbar and then it stays that way (whe=
n it=92s over the empty toolbar) until I hover over an active button, when =
it reverts to the correct pointer shape. This seems to happen if I hover ov=
er text in an edit window before hovering over the empty part of the toolba=
r. This behaviour is not really a problem, but it might be related to the m=
enu problems.

From: Eli Zaretskii<mailto:eliz@HIDDEN>
Sent: 11 October 2019 9:31 am
Subject: Re: bug#5464: 23.1.91; Mouse pointer shape in menus on Windows 7

The mouse pointer shape should be the default arrow but
> > often it is the I shape that I expect when the mouse pointer is over
> > editable text. Occasionally it is the pointing hand that I expect when
> > the mouse pointer is over a hyperlink.
> >
> > I think the following recipe will provoke this bug reliably. Start emac=
s with
> > the -Q option. Drag the window to the top of the screen so that it maxi=
mises,
> > then drag it down again to that it reverts to its previous size. Now op=
en a
> > menu; the mouse pointer seems to appear reliably as the I shape. This i=
s on a
> > new Compaq laptop running Windows 7. I can't get Emacs
> > 23.1.1 to show the same bug on my previous laptop running Windows XP.
> >
> > In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600)
> > of 2010-01-03 on PRETEST
> > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7600
> > configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'
>
> That was over 9 years ago.  Are you still seeing this in a modern
> version of Emacs?

I can't, but these Heisenbugs are notoriously unreproducible.


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 the menus on Emacs 26.3 on Windows 10 on my current laptop. Experimenting =
with this just now I have noticed the pointer change to the busy hourglass =
shape several times for no very obvious
 reason, just by moving it about over the help menu and its submenus. But I=
 can=92t give a reliable recipe for provoking this. I was also able to prov=
oke the editing I-cursor shape just now, but not in a reproducible way.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can also provoke the mouse pointer to turn into an=
 I-cursor when it is over the empty right-hand part of the toolbar and then=
 it stays that way (when it=92s over the empty toolbar) until I hover over =
an active button, when it reverts to
 the correct pointer shape. This seems to happen if I hover over text in an=
 edit window before hovering over the empty part of the toolbar. This behav=
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<b>Sent: </b>11 October 2019 9:31 am<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: bug#5464: 23.1.91; Mouse pointer shape in menus on Wind=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The mouse pointer shape should be the default arrow =
but<br>
&gt; &gt; often it is the I shape that I expect when the mouse pointer is o=
ver<br>
&gt; &gt; editable text. Occasionally it is the pointing hand that I expect=
 when<br>
&gt; &gt; the mouse pointer is over a hyperlink.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I think the following recipe will provoke this bug reliably. Star=
t emacs with<br>
&gt; &gt; the -Q option. Drag the window to the top of the screen so that i=
t maximises,<br>
&gt; &gt; then drag it down again to that it reverts to its previous size. =
Now open a<br>
&gt; &gt; menu; the mouse pointer seems to appear reliably as the I shape. =
This is on a<br>
&gt; &gt; new Compaq laptop running Windows 7. I can't get Emacs<br>
&gt; &gt; 23.1.1 to show the same bug on my previous laptop running Windows=
 XP.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600)<br>
&gt; &gt; of 2010-01-03 on PRETEST<br>
&gt; &gt; Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7600<=
br>
&gt; &gt; configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That was over 9 years ago.&nbsp; Are you still seeing this in a modern=
<br>
&gt; version of Emacs?<br>
<br>
I can't, but these Heisenbugs are notoriously unreproducible.<o:p></o:p></p=
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