Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2022 12:59:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 23 08:59:07 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o4MQN-0004EC-EU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:59:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4MQC-0004DX-5b for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:59:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4MQ6-00089q-1M; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:58:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=qVO07JvDU0SaUCCKmpstA6k9SMKCLbYsqKZTK8QXmXM=; b=ihp7l+/CiV9H 80fUZs4WE9KXQekx67cxaMbt0xrPo5joHHCXEAFdrfKxRwhqQks45eF4cb2cdFi2fFHogm5TcEMtG QguiSW063YpY2PHFrmf06Y1+bx9Ad5jsdoE22pwhVjXYlv/zF0MKG4zb4Ojsd3QaYZCp7Pt6fUrCB aUt1IdEOgLGpTZidxQASM7jECRZf1dOdbOS2zJa1ZL3J279TAdG29iTumutRljEE/kQahouxikOkI 67AKZ8rf5XnshZOgC6yvO4hsaLdI6s+pmOsO5Igu7haW1ZJF0gwCeV7FXEpb+/xh1t/DJYNN+b3kS 8IvIQxKxGkBirIHoVhIT4g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3816 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4MQ5-0001al-E0; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:58:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:58:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83iloredtq.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87ilory5l7.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:36:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> <D3A75276-8497-4728-AE7A-4AC97D86BCEE@HIDDEN> <86o7yl885b.fsf@HIDDEN> <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> <83bkukkepg.fsf@HIDDEN> <B6FEE777-5FE0-4A0D-8E89-A588EBEC286D@HIDDEN> <83y1xoit7d.fsf@HIDDEN> <3AFCE543-FF0E-489A-A479-7BE3D25AB483@HIDDEN> <83r13gis7k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkujzrbp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfnvemc6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilory5l7.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN, hmelman@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: hmelman@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN, 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > stefan@HIDDEN > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:36:20 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > What do you mean by "non-interactively" in these two cases? > > Not interactive-p. (Ish.) > > > desktop.el runs automatically each time I restart Emacs, and ispell is > > loaded and reloaded automatically whenever I visit a file in any > > derivative of text-mode and whenever I the dictionary changes. I > > think those are deemed "non-interactive" for the purposes of your > > question? In both cases, it is important for me to see the messages. > > For example, when the speller is restarted, I do want to see a message > > telling me it is now using this or that dictionary. > > In the olden days, it didn't tell you the current dictionary in the mode > line, I think? But it does show you that now, so the message isn't as > interesting as it used to be. It doesn't show enough of it. And a message in the echo area saying the dictionary was changed is much more easily seen than 2 characters that change in a crowded mode line.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What do you mean by "non-interactively" in these two cases? Not interactive-p. (Ish.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN, hmelman@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What do you mean by "non-interactively" in these two cases? Not interactive-p. (Ish.) > desktop.el runs automatically each time I restart Emacs, and ispell is > loaded and reloaded automatically whenever I visit a file in any > derivative of text-mode and whenever I the dictionary changes. I > think those are deemed "non-interactive" for the purposes of your > question? In both cases, it is important for me to see the messages. > For example, when the speller is restarted, I do want to see a message > telling me it is now using this or that dictionary. In the olden days, it didn't tell you the current dictionary in the mode line, I think? But it does show you that now, so the message isn't as interesting as it used to be. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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[71.174.239.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r1-20020a05620a298100b006a6d74f8fc9sm18054871qkp.127.2022.06.22.12.29.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86a6a4eejz.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:29:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <CA2E6142-93AB-480A-9819-B0D5BB09D6E3@HIDDEN> References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> <D3A75276-8497-4728-AE7A-4AC97D86BCEE@HIDDEN> <86o7yl885b.fsf@HIDDEN> <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> <86a6a4eejz.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:30 PM, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 >> I'd kinda like to inhibit stdout and leave stderr, to put it in those = terms. >> IMHO the above seems like unnecessary information. Yes >> it's specific, but it's also of little use. I enabled repeat-mode, I = expect >> it to be enabled, I don't really care that 23 commands and 9 keymaps >> were affected vs some other number of commands; and I don't need >> help like "see describe-repeat-maps" every time I enable it. >=20 > Then what do you think about doing what all minor modes do, i.e. to > display these messages conditionally on (called-interactively-p 'any). I think that would be fine, but I don't think "that" is what all minor = modes do. They do that for an enabled/disabled message via define-minor-mode, which I think is certainly useful and correct. They don't typically = provide such statistics at all. Howard=
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Full text available.Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2022 18:37:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 22 14:37:18 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36563 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o45E6-00078h-58 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:37:18 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:43817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1o45E4-00078N-Gd for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:37:16 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E55B820007; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 18:37:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> <D3A75276-8497-4728-AE7A-4AC97D86BCEE@HIDDEN> <86o7yl885b.fsf@HIDDEN> <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:30:40 +0300 In-Reply-To: <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> (Howard Melman's message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:16:17 -0400") Message-ID: <86a6a4eejz.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I'd kinda like to inhibit stdout and leave stderr, to put it in those terms. > IMHO the above seems like unnecessary information. Yes > it's specific, but it's also of little use. I enabled repeat-mode, I expect > it to be enabled, I don't really care that 23 commands and 9 keymaps > were affected vs some other number of commands; and I don't need > help like "see describe-repeat-maps" every time I enable it. Then what do you think about doing what all minor modes do, i.e. to display these messages conditionally on (called-interactively-p 'any).
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[71.174.239.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w8-20020a05620a444800b006a6f68c8a87sm17858604qkp.126.2022.06.22.09.18.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83y1xoit7d.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:18:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3AFCE543-FF0E-489A-A479-7BE3D25AB483@HIDDEN> References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> <D3A75276-8497-4728-AE7A-4AC97D86BCEE@HIDDEN> <86o7yl885b.fsf@HIDDEN> <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> <83bkukkepg.fsf@HIDDEN> <B6FEE777-5FE0-4A0D-8E89-A588EBEC286D@HIDDEN> <83y1xoit7d.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> >> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:30:42 -0400 >> Cc: juri@HIDDEN, >> 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, >> larsi@HIDDEN, >> stefan@HIDDEN >> >> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> >>>> I could inhibit messages for those two but it seems a little messy. >>> >>> Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. > > I was talking only about desktop and ispell (the "those two" in your > message to which I replied). Apologies, I was talking about recentf and repeat-mode which Juri was asking if I could inhibit messages for, so confusion all around it seems :) >> StefanK> Personally, I think we should remove both the recentf-mode >> StefanK> and repeat-mode messages here. I don't find either of them >> StefanK> very helpful or interesting. >> >> Eli> Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. > > That's wrong attribution: I didn't reply to Stefan's message, I > replied to yours. I did not mean to imply that you were replying to StefanK, I was trying to list all the offered opinions about removing the message (for repeat-mode and possibly recentf) and I interpreted your reply as being against doing so. Howard
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As is, with no changes (curlifying quotes, fiddling with text properties, prettifying,...). *Messages* is a _log_. 2. We can add various ways for users or libraries to optionally _view_ various subsets of such messages, or to _filter_ (remove) them, or to _inhibit adding_ some of them. But all of that needs to be optional, under control by individual users or libraries, and _on top of_ an underlying/default behavior of recording every echo-area message in *Messages* as is. #2 has been discussed before, with no conclusions or action taken. I can't easily find the mail conversations about this, and probably that doesn't matter - I think not much that was concrete was proposed/discussed. I did find these threads that touched on it, at least: emacs-devel@HIDDEN: * Intelligent stacking of messages in the echo area * Message's text-properties in *Messages* * Why "symbol's value" error about a list? Bug list: * bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle ___ E.g., in the bug #40774 thread, I wrote: I wonder if buffer *Messages* shouldn't have a menu-bar menu, with a few items that do things like filter temporarily in various ways, change `message-log-max', etc. Some things a user might want to do with the buffer content aren't necessarily obvious. IOW, *Messages* could probably be made more directly useful than it is now.
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[71.174.239.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t10-20020a37ea0a000000b006a8b6848556sm16759224qkj.7.2022.06.22.07.30.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83bkukkepg.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:30:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <B6FEE777-5FE0-4A0D-8E89-A588EBEC286D@HIDDEN> References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> <D3A75276-8497-4728-AE7A-4AC97D86BCEE@HIDDEN> <86o7yl885b.fsf@HIDDEN> <A1E5A5BF-CB4F-47F4-8A1A-791BEEFC52C2@HIDDEN> <83bkukkepg.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN, 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> I could inhibit messages for those two but it seems a little messy. > > Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. The context was in my own config. Could you explain why you find them important? Why is it important that I know recent is trimming some items when it reaches its max limit? That's just normal behavior. Why is it important I know how many commands repeat-mode affects? Other minor-modes (like cua-mode) don't tell me or log how many bindings they provide. And the "see describe-repeat-maps" point is in the command's docstring which is the most natural place for it. Both of these strike me as useful only when debugging. To sum up so far: Juri> This is exactly the reason why it outputs its statistics to *Messages*, Juri> But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could Juri> commit such a patch. So we need just one additional vote that Juri> supports this change :) Howard> I also found that recentf does something similar. So if a few Howard> things give these informational messages (particularly to Howard> *Messages*) then I have no complaints. Seeing just the one I Howard> thought it might be violating a convention. Feel free to Howard> close this. But clearly I don't find these message useful :) Lars> I vote for keeping the message, but I have no strong opinion. Lars> I can't remember what my reasoning was back then, and looking at Lars> it again, I agree with you -- it doesn't really seem very useful Lars> to a user. StefanK> Personally, I think we should remove both the recentf-mode StefanK> and repeat-mode messages here. I don't find either of them StefanK> very helpful or interesting. Eli> Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. Howard
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So just two more than me: desktop, which I don't use and ispell which=20 I don't pre-start the sub-process. I could inhibit messages for those two but it seems a little messy. I'd rather not inhibit generally in case there are issues, I'd have to do it in each of my files so that I'd still see loading timings. I = could do it for recentf and repeat-mode but that feels like working around their specific behavior. I'd kinda like to inhibit stdout and leave stderr, to put it in those = terms. IMHO the above seems like unnecessary information. Yes it's specific, but it's also of little use. I enabled repeat-mode, I = expect it to be enabled, I don't really care that 23 commands and 9 keymaps were affected vs some other number of commands; and I don't need=20 help like "see describe-repeat-maps" every time I enable it. Howard=
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>> It's very surprising to worry about keeping the *Messages* buffer clean.
>
> I don't usually. In this case I was working at reducing my startup time
> (from ~3 secs to ~1 sec).
>
> My init is broken up into about 2 dozen files; logical groupings like some
> major modes I typically use, mac settings, gnus stuff, magit stuff,
> dired, minor modes, etc. I load each with a function that times the load
> and prints it out with some gc info. Here's part of what I saw:
>
> Loaded in 0.21ms with 0 gcs hrm-funcs
> Loaded in 1.08ms with 0 gcs hrm-frame
> Loaded in 1.11ms with 0 gcs hrm-tabs
> Loading /Users/hmelman/.emacs.d/recentf...done
> Cleaning up the recentf list...
> File /Users/hmelman/Library/Mobile Documents/iCloud~md~obsidian/Documents/Film Lists/Alfred Hitchcock.md removed from the recentf list
> Cleaning up the recentf list...done (1 removed)
> Repeat mode is enabled for 14 commands and 7 keymaps; see `describe-repeat-maps'.
> Loaded in 252.90ms with 0 gcs hrm-minor.....VERY LONG
> Loaded in 42.70ms with 0 gcs hrm-packages.....LONG
> Loaded in 2.03ms with 0 gcs hrm-help
> Loaded in 0.73ms with 0 gcs hrm-git
Do you think it would help you to disable messages during activating these modes:
(let (inhibit-message message-log-max)
(size-indication-mode)
(column-number-mode)
(show-paren-mode)
(recentf-mode)
(which-function-mode)
(global-hl-line-mode)
(context-menu-mode)
(global-so-long-mode)
(repeat-mode))
> As I said in the OP:
>
>> I'm working on my configuration and of all the other minor-modes
>
>> I enable by calling from lisp, none of them print such a message,
>
>> so this stands out when I'm looking at *Messages*.
>
> Since nothing else printed out stuff I thought it might have been
> a mistake that the new repeat-mode command did.
Strange, I see a lot of such stuff in the *Messages* buffer:
Cleaning up the recentf list...
File ~/src/emacs/.git/MERGE_MSG removed from the recentf list
Cleaning up the recentf list...done (1 removed)
Repeat mode is enabled for 23 commands and 9 keymaps; see ‘describe-repeat-maps’
Starting new Ispell process /usr/bin/hunspell with american dictionary...done
Wrote ~/.emacs.d/.emacs.desktop.lock
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I don't usually. In this case I was working at reducing my startup time (from ~3 secs to ~1 sec).=20 My init is broken up into about 2 dozen files; logical groupings like = some=20 major modes I typically use, mac settings, gnus stuff, magit stuff, dired, minor modes, etc. I load each with a function that times the = load and prints it out with some gc info. Here's part of what I saw: Loaded in 0.21ms with 0 gcs hrm-funcs Loaded in 1.08ms with 0 gcs hrm-frame Loaded in 1.11ms with 0 gcs hrm-tabs Loading /Users/hmelman/.emacs.d/recentf...done Cleaning up the recentf list... File /Users/hmelman/Library/Mobile = Documents/iCloud~md~obsidian/Documents/Film Lists/Alfred Hitchcock.md = removed from the recentf list Cleaning up the recentf list...done (1 removed) Repeat mode is enabled for 14 commands and 7 keymaps; see = `describe-repeat-maps'. Loaded in 252.90ms with 0 gcs hrm-minor.....VERY LONG Loaded in 42.70ms with 0 gcs hrm-packages.....LONG Loaded in 2.03ms with 0 gcs hrm-help Loaded in 0.73ms with 0 gcs hrm-git As I said in the OP: > I'm working on my configuration and of all the other minor-modes > I enable by calling from lisp, none of them print such a message, > so this stands out when I'm looking at *Messages*. Since nothing else printed out stuff I thought it might have been a mistake that the new repeat-mode command did. Howard=
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Full text available.Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2022 18:10:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 21 14:10:15 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o3iKN-0006rA-Es for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:10:15 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:51851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1o3iKL-0006qR-F0 for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:10:14 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E33D5240003; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:10:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:49:54 +0300 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmjj9egVEpdvnB9r1wo6VbJG+1KVKL4w8ekbmza70SCww@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2022 13:54:06 +0200") Message-ID: <867d59kit9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Using that config, I get the following *Messages* buffer after > starting Emacs: > > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. > Cleaning up the recentf list...done (0 removed) > Repeat mode is enabled for 14 commands and 7 keymaps; see > ‘describe-repeat-maps’. > > Personally, I think we should remove both the recentf-mode and > repeat-mode messages here. I don't find either of them very helpful > or interesting. It's very surprising to worry about keeping the *Messages* buffer clean.
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Full text available.Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2022 18:10:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 21 14:10:13 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o3iKL-0006qs-5t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:10:13 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:48145) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1o3iKH-0006qN-1G for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:10:09 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EF9760006; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:10:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:46:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> (Howard Melman's message of "Mon, 20 Jun 2022 18:04:42 -0400") Message-ID: <86o7ylkizr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > My original report was about enabling these in init.el and seeing the > message in the *Messages* buffer. I have the following in my init: > > (size-indication-mode) > (column-number-mode) > (show-paren-mode) > (recentf-mode) > (which-function-mode) > (global-hl-line-mode) > (context-menu-mode) ; new in Emacs 28 > (global-so-long-mode) > (repeat-mode) ; new in Emacs 28 > > Of the above, only recentf-mode and repeat-mode write to the > *Messages* buffer on startup. I added electric-pair-mode to my > init and it did not write to *Messages* though if I toggle it interactively > with M-x it does output (I assume to the echo area). I see now that define-minor-mode displays the message conditionally on (called-interactively-p 'any) Maybe repeat-mode could do the same.
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[71.174.239.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x5-20020a05620a258500b006a75a0ffc97sm13621055qko.3.2022.06.20.15.04.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jun 2022 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 18:04:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E1D2C1A-5041-4BED-A82A-ACA00470B371@HIDDEN> References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On Jun 20, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>> But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could commit such >>>> a patch. So we need just one additional vote that supports this >>>> change :) >>> >>> I vote for keeping the message, but I have no strong opinion. >> >> Why though? How does it help me as a user? And if I do need this >> information for some reason, why can't I just flip the mode off and on >> again? > > Every minor mode displays a message, e.g.: > > M-x delete-selection-mode > Delete-Selection mode enabled > > M-x electric-pair-mode > Electric-Pair mode enabled My original report was about enabling these in init.el and seeing the message in the *Messages* buffer. I have the following in my init: (size-indication-mode) (column-number-mode) (show-paren-mode) (recentf-mode) (which-function-mode) (global-hl-line-mode) (context-menu-mode) ; new in Emacs 28 (global-so-long-mode) (repeat-mode) ; new in Emacs 28 Of the above, only recentf-mode and repeat-mode write to the *Messages* buffer on startup. I added electric-pair-mode to my init and it did not write to *Messages* though if I toggle it interactively with M-x it does output (I assume to the echo area). Howard
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Full text available.Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2022 16:53:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 20 12:53:20 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58361 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o3KeO-0000WW-9Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:53:20 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:50685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1o3KeK-0000Vw-8e for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:53:16 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 206F61BF20D; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 16:53:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0bi7isq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 19:51:05 +0300 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=9mZ6ku67+NrftpQiQ+x_Uo9naP2g4ru5-+tpo09+C5w@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 19 Jun 2022 07:09:53 -0700") Message-ID: <86o7ynmgiy.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>> But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could commit such >>> a patch. So we need just one additional vote that supports this >>> change :) >> >> I vote for keeping the message, but I have no strong opinion. > > Why though? How does it help me as a user? And if I do need this > information for some reason, why can't I just flip the mode off and on > again? Every minor mode displays a message, e.g.: M-x delete-selection-mode Delete-Selection mode enabled M-x electric-pair-mode Electric-Pair mode enabled ... ... repeat-mode just adds more useful information to such messages.
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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m9-20020a05622a118900b002f1fc51135dsm2224281qtk.57.2022.04.20.11.32.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Apr 2022 11:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:32:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <E5110317-B55A-432E-90B9-31199FE1B896@HIDDEN> References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Apr 20, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 >> Minor thing: When repeat-mode is enabled it calls message with: >>=20 >> "Repeat mode is enabled for %d commands and %d keymaps; see = `describe-repeat-maps'." >>=20 >> I'm working on my configuration and of all the other minor-modes >> I enable by calling from lisp, none of them print such a message, >> so this stands out when I'm looking at *Messages*. >=20 > This is exactly the reason why it outputs its statistics to = *Messages*, > so you could see how many commands are affected by this mode. > Also I see that it doesn't stand out too much, > for example, I have after starting Emacs in *Messages*: >=20 > Starting new Ispell process /usr/bin/hunspell with american = dictionary...done > Repeat mode is enabled for 23 commands and 9 keymaps; see = =E2=80=98describe-repeat-maps=E2=80=99. > Cleaning up the recentf list...done (0 removed) > Desktop: 1 frame, 19 buffers restored. >=20 > But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could commit such = a patch. > So we need just one additional vote that supports this change :) I also found that recentf does something similar. So if a few things = give these informational messages (particularly to *Messages*) then I have no = complaints. Seeing just the one I thought it might be violating a convention. Feel = free to=20 close this. Howard=
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Full text available.Received: (at 55041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2022 17:22:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 20 13:22:35 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nhE2F-00065x-0T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:22:35 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:48691) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1nhE2D-00065g-3K for 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:22:33 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34F501BF205; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:22:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55041: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:10:12 +0300 In-Reply-To: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> (Howard Melman's message of "Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:53:07 -0400") Message-ID: <865yn3adfv.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55041 Cc: 55041 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Minor thing: When repeat-mode is enabled it calls message with: > > "Repeat mode is enabled for %d commands and %d keymaps; see `describe-repeat-maps'." > > I'm working on my configuration and of all the other minor-modes > I enable by calling from lisp, none of them print such a message, > so this stands out when I'm looking at *Messages*. This is exactly the reason why it outputs its statistics to *Messages*, so you could see how many commands are affected by this mode. Also I see that it doesn't stand out too much, for example, I have after starting Emacs in *Messages*: Starting new Ispell process /usr/bin/hunspell with american dictionary...done Repeat mode is enabled for 23 commands and 9 keymaps; see ‘describe-repeat-maps’. Cleaning up the recentf list...done (0 removed) Desktop: 1 frame, 19 buffers restored. But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could commit such a patch. So we need just one additional vote that supports this change :)
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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s19-20020a05622a179300b002e1ceeb21d0sm1857753qtk.97.2022.04.20.07.53.07 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Apr 2022 07:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: 28.1; repeat-mode always prints message when enabled Message-Id: <86CCF73D-0E9C-4DCE-B848-222F583290AE@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:53:07 -0400 To: GNU Emacs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e; envelope-from=hmelman@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qk1-x72e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Minor thing: When repeat-mode is enabled it calls message with: "Repeat mode is enabled for %d commands and %d keymaps; see = `describe-repeat-maps'." I'm working on my configuration and of all the other minor-modes I enable by calling from lisp, none of them print such a message, so this stands out when I'm looking at *Messages*. Modes such as this defined with define-minor-mode only print their enabled/disabled message if called-interactively-p. Perhaps repeat-mode should do this for this message too. Howard In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 = Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95)) of 2022-04-04 built on builder10-14.lan Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2022 System Description: macOS 11.6.5
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