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Full text available.Received: (at 55096) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2022 12:50:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 24 08:50:32 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ntTzb-00073H-Nk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2022 08:50:31 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1ntTzX-00072o-HC for 55096 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2022 08:50:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xwWb+81L6kIjxI1IXPgZO7sK+VvkDs6Y1eepevJOPPQ=; b=YPPlmiaf6cWELcJM7L+CNFAUxY nz17CqfZXu0j1fmb5WOd/ejMElz3QtJjKWS6ltu+xFEfhhT5r0lnnRKW8lRWijnSQjXKLlXqfG7kk zhkz+YgUF6yeIS8k/aJIGfjuz3ezyfxgpepM9IwkfGSjvuUOl/zqja9CbGBFnwNO2MzQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1ntTzK-0006qt-3G; Tue, 24 May 2022 14:50:20 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?xaB0xJtww6FuIE7Em21lYw==?= <stepnem@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55096: Eldoc showing elisp variable value beside docs References: <eG53qUa-01CEr2aGMi324YspFoT1I21drf5_0sOLU54bwuM78HsoexyaxXosJsOyku_3hBZtPx4-d4j0J1hMWM37k2qdSUtBrW_e3NozQ0g=@protonmail.com> <87levt60u4.fsf@HIDDEN> <20220425130033+0200.658972-stepnem@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Cris Williamson's _The Changer and the Changed_: "Sweet Woman" Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 14:50:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20220425130033+0200.658972-stepnem@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?B?IsWgdMSbcMOhbiBOxJttZWMiJ3M=?= message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:00:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87a6b7jdru.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Štěpán Němec <stepnem@HIDDEN> writes: >> This would only work for global values, and in that case, you can just >> `C-x C-e' the variable if you're interested in the value. >> >> So it seems like this would be of marginal utility. Anybody [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55096 Cc: 55096 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacsq <laszlomail@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec <stepnem@HIDDEN> writes: >> This would only work for global values, and in that case, you can just >> `C-x C-e' the variable if you're interested in the value. >> >> So it seems like this would be of marginal utility. Anybody else got an >> opinion here? > > FWIW, I've been running with some form of the following for many years, > and I find it extremely useful: Well, that means that there are at least two people who would like this, so I've added =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n's function to Emacs 29. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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[185.112.167.61]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3-20020aa7cac3000000b00422c961c8c9sm4409593edt.78.2022.04.25.03.59.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?xaB0xJtww6FuIE7Em21lYw==?= <stepnem@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#55096: Eldoc showing elisp variable value beside docs In-Reply-To: <87levt60u4.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:09:39 +0200") References: <eG53qUa-01CEr2aGMi324YspFoT1I21drf5_0sOLU54bwuM78HsoexyaxXosJsOyku_3hBZtPx4-d4j0J1hMWM37k2qdSUtBrW_e3NozQ0g=@protonmail.com> <87levt60u4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:00:33 +0200 Message-ID: <20220425130033+0200.658972-stepnem@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55096 Cc: 55096 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacsq <laszlomail@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:09:39 +0200 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > emacsq <laszlomail@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Eldoc showing the docs in the minibuffer is quite useful, but I often >> check elisp variable values too in the code, and it can be quite handy >> if eldoc shows that too simply by putting cursor on the variable. > > This would only work for global values, and in that case, you can just > `C-x C-e' the variable if you're interested in the value. > > So it seems like this would be of marginal utility. Anybody else got an > opinion here? FWIW, I've been running with some form of the following for many years, and I find it extremely useful: ;; cf. `elisp-eldoc-var-docstring' (defun my-elisp-eldoc-var-docstring-with-value (callback &rest _) "Document variable at point. Intended for `eldoc-documentation-functions' (which see)." (when-let ((cs (elisp--current-symbol))) (when (and (boundp cs) ;; nil and t are boundp! (not (null cs)) (not (eq cs t))) (funcall callback (format "%.1250S %s" (symbol-value cs) (let* ((doc (custom-variable-documentation cs)) (more (- (length doc) 1000))) (concat (propertize (s-truncate 1000 (if (string=3D doc "nil") "Undocumented." doc) "") 'face 'font-lock-doc-face) (when (> more 0) (format "[%sc more]" more))))) :thing cs :face 'font-lock-variable-name-face)))) It shows the current value, i.e. buffer-local for local variables, which is what I want. (It also shows more of the doc string: I use multi-line echo area.) --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n
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