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When I log out of my GNOME desktop, if Emacs (23.1) is running I get a
message that it is "not responding". I therefore usually manually quit
Emacs before logging out.

Looking at the source, it seems that Emacs does have xsession support,
so I am wondering what the problem is here. I am only running Emacs
interactively, not in any sort of daemon mode, so the only emacs
process I have running is the one I started myself.

I can't see anything about this in the manual, but of course the
trouble is that "session" occurs many times. I can't find "xsession"
at all in the manual, and "log out" doesn't yield anything helpful
either. Searching online suggests that Emacs may need some help with
GNOME, but I can't see which version or why exactly it needs help, if
it does.

Clarification sought!

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Reuben Thomas skrev 2010-02-02 16.21:
> When I log out of my GNOME desktop, if Emacs (23.1) is running I get a
> message that it is "not responding". I therefore usually manually quit
> Emacs before logging out.
>
> Looking at the source, it seems that Emacs does have xsession support,
> so I am wondering what the problem is here. I am only running Emacs
> interactively, not in any sort of daemon mode, so the only emacs
> process I have running is the one I started myself.
>
> I can't see anything about this in the manual, but of course the
> trouble is that "session" occurs many times. I can't find "xsession"
> at all in the manual, and "log out" doesn't yield anything helpful
> either. Searching online suggests that Emacs may need some help with
> GNOME, but I can't see which version or why exactly it needs help, if
> it does.
>
> Clarification sought!

Maybe your Emacs was built without libSM?  Did you compile it yourself?
In that case, check if HAVE_X_SM is defined in src/config.h.

If not, try to see if Emacs is linked to libSM.  On GNU/Linux that is
% ldd emacs

Please yes M-x report-emacs-bug when reporting bugs, it includes information 
that helps tracking down the bug.

	Jan D.







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On 2 February 2010 19:45, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> Maybe your Emacs was built without libSM? =A0Did you compile it yourself?
> In that case, check if HAVE_X_SM is defined in src/config.h.

It is the standard Ubuntu build of Emacs 23.1, and it is linked
against libSM. Is there any other information I can give?

Here's the output that report-emacs-bug gives:



In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.3)
 of 2009-11-10 on vernadsky, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10604000
configured using `configure  '--build=3Di486-linux-gnu'
'--host=3Di486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib'
'--libexecdir=3D/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=3D/var/lib'
'--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=3Dyes=
'
'--enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23=
.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-li=
sp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim'
'--with-x=3Dyes' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
'build_alias=3Di486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Di486-linux-gnu'
'CFLAGS=3D-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=3D-g' 'CPPFLAGS=3D''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Org

Minor modes in effect:
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  filladapt-mode: t
  longlines-mode: t
  buffer-face-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  savehist-mode: t
  minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t
  iswitchb-mode: t
  icomplete-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  desktop-save-mode: t
  smart-quotes-mode: t
  global-whitespace-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  use-hard-newlines: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  global-auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

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Reuben Thomas skrev:
> On 2 February 2010 19:45, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Maybe your Emacs was built without libSM?  Did you compile it yourself=
?
>> In that case, check if HAVE_X_SM is defined in src/config.h.
>=20
> It is the standard Ubuntu build of Emacs 23.1, and it is linked
> against libSM. Is there any other information I can give?
>=20
> Here's the output that report-emacs-bug gives:

Start emacs and do
C-h v x-session-id.
C-h v emacs-save-session-functions
C-h v emacs-session-filename

What is the output?

	Jan D.





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On 8 February 2010 07:49, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Reuben Thomas skrev:
>>
>> On 2 February 2010 19:45, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe your Emacs was built without libSM? =A0Did you compile it yoursel=
f?
>>> In that case, check if HAVE_X_SM is defined in src/config.h.
>>
>> It is the standard Ubuntu build of Emacs 23.1, and it is linked
>> against libSM. Is there any other information I can give?
>>
>> Here's the output that report-emacs-bug gives:
>
> Start emacs and do
> C-h v x-session-id.

Its value is
"1054f6786d2b365c6e126377503438154000000015820035"

> C-h v emacs-save-session-functions

Its value is nil

> C-h v emacs-session-filename

No such variable; there is a function of this name, however...

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Reuben Thomas skrev:
> On 8 February 2010 07:49, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Reuben Thomas skrev:
>>> On 2 February 2010 19:45, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>> Maybe your Emacs was built without libSM?  Did you compile it yourse=
lf?
>>>> In that case, check if HAVE_X_SM is defined in src/config.h.
>>> It is the standard Ubuntu build of Emacs 23.1, and it is linked
>>> against libSM. Is there any other information I can give?
>>>
>>> Here's the output that report-emacs-bug gives:
>> Start emacs and do
>> C-h v x-session-id.
>=20
> Its value is
> "1054f6786d2b365c6e126377503438154000000015820035"
>=20
>> C-h v emacs-save-session-functions
>=20
> Its value is nil
>=20
>> C-h v emacs-session-filename
>=20
> No such variable; there is a function of this name, however...
>=20

Yes sorry.  Anyway, you have session suport compiled in and Emacs talks t=
o the=20
session manager.

Do you have a directory ~/.emacs.d and is it writable?  If you start emac=
s,=20
log out and then in again, do you have any session.* files in emacs.d?
Or any ~/.emacs.session.* files?

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On 9 February 2010 10:02, Jan Dj=E4rv <jan.h.d@HIDDEN> wrote:
>=A0Anyway, you have session suport compiled in and Emacs talks to
> the session manager.
>
> Do you have a directory ~/.emacs.d and is it writable?

Yes.

>=A0If you start emacs,
> log out and then in again, do you have any session.* files in emacs.d?
> Or any ~/.emacs.session.* files?

OK, the problem seems to be a bit more complex than I thought.

If I close down all my programs, log out, log in, start Emacs, then
log out and back in, everything works, and my session is restored.

If however I try to log out from a long-running session, GNOME says "A
program is still running: Emacs", and offers me the choice to log out
anyway, or to cancel the log-out action. If I ignore the warning and
log out anyway, then indeed the Emacs session is restored when I log
back in.

So in fact, my problem is really: why sometimes does Emacs refuse to
be killed? I tried for example starting an emacs client session, but
that didn't seem to trigger this problem.

In summary, it's a minor annoyance now that I understand what is going
on better, but it would be nice to work out why Emacs sometimes
refuses to die at first, althuogh it doesn't seem to matter if I just
log out anyway.

(I did come across another minor bug in the process which I'll now
file separately.)

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Reuben Thomas skrev 2010-02-09 18.47:
> On 9 February 2010 10:02, Jan Dj=E4rv<jan.h.d@HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>   Anyway, you have session suport compiled in and Emacs talks to
>> the session manager.
>>
>> Do you have a directory ~/.emacs.d and is it writable?
>
> Yes.
>
>>   If you start emacs,
>> log out and then in again, do you have any session.* files in emacs.d?
>> Or any ~/.emacs.session.* files?
>
> OK, the problem seems to be a bit more complex than I thought.
>
> If I close down all my programs, log out, log in, start Emacs, then
> log out and back in, everything works, and my session is restored.
>
> If however I try to log out from a long-running session, GNOME says "A
> program is still running: Emacs", and offers me the choice to log out
> anyway, or to cancel the log-out action. If I ignore the warning and
> log out anyway, then indeed the Emacs session is restored when I log
> back in.
>
> So in fact, my problem is really: why sometimes does Emacs refuse to
> be killed? I tried for example starting an emacs client session, but
> that didn't seem to trigger this problem.
>
> In summary, it's a minor annoyance now that I understand what is going
> on better, but it would be nice to work out why Emacs sometimes
> refuses to die at first, althuogh it doesn't seem to matter if I just
> log out anyway.
>
> (I did come across another minor bug in the process which I'll now
> file separately.)

This is usually Emacs not responding to the session manager, or taking to=
o=20
long time to do so.  I have an idea about this, I'll have to check it out=
=2E

	Jan D.

>





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