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29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows

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From: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
To: emacs-bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 08:42:58 +0200

Hi all,

AUCTeX project isn't providing pre-compiled versions for Windows
anymore.  So I suggest this change to efaq-win32.texi:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
diff --git a/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi b/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
index 8dcdb121ab..960c2f87da 100644
--- a/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
@@ -1754,10 +1754,9 @@ AUCTeX

 AUCTeX is an Emacs package for writing LaTeX files, which also
 includes preview-latex, an Emacs mode for previewing the formatted
-contents of LaTeX documents.  Pre-compiled versions for Windows are
-available from
-@uref{https://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/download-for-windows.html, the
-AUCTeX site}.
+contents of LaTeX documents.  AUCTeX is available from
+@uref{https://elpa.gnu.org, GNU ELPA} and can be installed with the
+command @kbd{M-x list-packages}.

 @node Spell check
 @section How do I perform spell checks?
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Best, Arash

Message #8 received at 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55330: 29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 12:10:52 +0200

Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org> writes:

> AUCTeX project isn't providing pre-compiled versions for Windows
> anymore.  So I suggest this change to efaq-win32.texi:

Thanks; pushed to the emacs-28 branch (which will be merged with master
tomorrow).

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Message #13 received at 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55330: 29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:50:40 +0300

> From: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 08:42:58 +0200
> 
> AUCTeX project isn't providing pre-compiled versions for Windows
> anymore.  So I suggest this change to efaq-win32.texi:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> diff --git a/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi b/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
> index 8dcdb121ab..960c2f87da 100644
> --- a/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
> +++ b/doc/misc/efaq-w32.texi
> @@ -1754,10 +1754,9 @@ AUCTeX
> 
>  AUCTeX is an Emacs package for writing LaTeX files, which also
>  includes preview-latex, an Emacs mode for previewing the formatted
> -contents of LaTeX documents.  Pre-compiled versions for Windows are
> -available from
> -@uref{https://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/download-for-windows.html, the
> -AUCTeX site}.
> +contents of LaTeX documents.  AUCTeX is available from
> +@uref{https://elpa.gnu.org, GNU ELPA} and can be installed with the
> +command @kbd{M-x list-packages}.
> 
>  @node Spell check
>  @section How do I perform spell checks?
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Thanks, but I'm not sure I understand how the modified entry will be
useful for users of Emacs on MS-Windows.  The original entry answers
the following question:

  How do I use TeX with Emacs?

and goes on to describe the version of AUCTeX that can be used OOTB on
MS-Windows.  If AUCTeX no longer provides such a package, it is IMO
better to simply remove this subsection, instead of pointing users to
a package that is not in any ways specific for MS-Windows, and won't
help them use AUCTeX more than the upstream distribution will.

IOW, the w32 Emacs FAQ is supposed to provide information that makes
installation and use of Emacs on Windows easier, and this new text
fails short of that mark.

Or what am I missing?

Message #16 received at 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55330: 29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:58:57 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> If AUCTeX no longer provides such a package, it is IMO better to
> simply remove this subsection, instead of pointing users to a package
> that is not in any ways specific for MS-Windows, and won't help them
> use AUCTeX more than the upstream distribution will.
>
> IOW, the w32 Emacs FAQ is supposed to provide information that makes
> installation and use of Emacs on Windows easier, and this new text
> fails short of that mark.

I admit the entry in the FAQ now is somewhat redundant since AUCTeX
behaves like many other packages available from ELPA.  The only reason I
suggested this change is that deleting it would cause people come back
and ask where it went.

But please feel free to delete that subsection if there is no added
value behind it.

Best, Arash

Message #19 received at 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55330: 29.0.50; Fix AUCTeX entry in FAQ For MS Windows
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 16:39:04 +0300

> From: Arash Esbati <arash <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 55330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:58:57 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > If AUCTeX no longer provides such a package, it is IMO better to
> > simply remove this subsection, instead of pointing users to a package
> > that is not in any ways specific for MS-Windows, and won't help them
> > use AUCTeX more than the upstream distribution will.
> >
> > IOW, the w32 Emacs FAQ is supposed to provide information that makes
> > installation and use of Emacs on Windows easier, and this new text
> > fails short of that mark.
> 
> I admit the entry in the FAQ now is somewhat redundant since AUCTeX
> behaves like many other packages available from ELPA.  The only reason I
> suggested this change is that deleting it would cause people come back
> and ask where it went.
> 
> But please feel free to delete that subsection if there is no added
> value behind it.

Done.  If they ask, we can always point them to the ChangeLog and this
bug report.

Thanks.

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