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29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland

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From: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 12:00:12 +0200

Hey folks,

When using recent builds of Emacs with PGTK on Wayland (Sway), the Super
key is no longer detected. I use it in a lot of shortcuts, but now
typing e.g. `s-/' just inputs /.

If I run an older build with the exact same config (or even with `emacs
-Q'), I don't experience that issue, and shortcuts using Super still
work. So, this seems to be an Emacs bug.

Using git bisect, I was able to find that this started in commit
1c1ae6ba802cc5813fa6f8f90f21050aae6bb459. Further investigation revealed
that when typing a shortcut with Super, the GDK_SUPER_MASK bit isn't
set, but GDK_MOD4_MASK is.

I'm not sure what the best option is: restoring the former
x_find_modifier_meanings() function, or hard-coding that Mod4 is the
same as Super (like Mod1 and Meta).
For now, I started using this patch:
https://paste.sr.ht/~schnouki/e997d536bd3305aa34bb2c72bfe68dcdde18ec80

If it sounds like a good solution, feel free to use it.

Happy to help and provide any further information needed!

Cheers,
Thomas


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Message #8 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
Cc: 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 20:46:55 +0800

Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net> writes:

> Hey folks,
>
> When using recent builds of Emacs with PGTK on Wayland (Sway), the Super
> key is no longer detected. I use it in a lot of shortcuts, but now
> typing e.g. `s-/' just inputs /.
>
> If I run an older build with the exact same config (or even with `emacs
> -Q'), I don't experience that issue, and shortcuts using Super still
> work. So, this seems to be an Emacs bug.
>
> Using git bisect, I was able to find that this started in commit
> 1c1ae6ba802cc5813fa6f8f90f21050aae6bb459. Further investigation revealed
> that when typing a shortcut with Super, the GDK_SUPER_MASK bit isn't
> set, but GDK_MOD4_MASK is.
>
> I'm not sure what the best option is: restoring the former
> x_find_modifier_meanings() function, or hard-coding that Mod4 is the
> same as Super (like Mod1 and Meta).

The bug is in GTK, not in Emacs.  It doesn't set the virtual modifier
masks corresponding to the Super key on some Wayland compositors, which
it is supposed to.

That patch (and the old code) is incorrect, and the code before its
removal was another example of the PGTK port haphazardly copying code
from xterm.c to do stuff GDK is supposed to do by itself.  Mod4 is a
real modifier and can correspond to any (number) of virtual modifiers,
which might or might not contain Super.

Please report the bug to the GTK developers.  Something along the lines
of "GDK_SUPER_MASK not set on keyboard events on wlroots-based
compositors when the Super key is held down".  After you do that, I'd
appreciate it if you gave us a link to the bug report, so we can at
least put it in etc/PROBLEMS.

Thanks in advance.

Message #11 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
Cc: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:04:25 +0200

Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org> writes:

> That patch (and the old code) is incorrect, and the code before its
> removal was another example of the PGTK port haphazardly copying code
> from xterm.c to do stuff GDK is supposed to do by itself.  Mod4 is a
> real modifier and can correspond to any (number) of virtual modifiers,
> which might or might not contain Super.

But this seems to affect many people who had a working Super key before,
so I think we should re-fix this on the Emacs side.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #14 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: luangruo <at> yahoo.com, schnouki <at> schnouki.net, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:22:26 +0300

> Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs <at> gnu.org
> Cc: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:04:25 +0200
> 
> Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
> editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > That patch (and the old code) is incorrect, and the code before its
> > removal was another example of the PGTK port haphazardly copying code
> > from xterm.c to do stuff GDK is supposed to do by itself.  Mod4 is a
> > real modifier and can correspond to any (number) of virtual modifiers,
> > which might or might not contain Super.
> 
> But this seems to affect many people who had a working Super key before,
> so I think we should re-fix this on the Emacs side.

I agree.  At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to
restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS.

Message #17 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 21:23:31 +0800

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> But this seems to affect many people who had a working Super key before,
> so I think we should re-fix this on the Emacs side.

Not before Emacs 29 is released, or otherwise the GTK developers will
never fix their thing, and we will be stuck maintaining yet another
broken hack to work around one of their bugs until the end of time,
which is several degrees of magnitude more confusing because we now have
two configurations where sometimes identical, and sometimes different
GTK bugs have to be worked around.

Message #20 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:51:28 +0200

Le 11 mai 2022 à 20:46 +08, Po Lu a écrit :
> Please report the bug to the GTK developers.  Something along the lines
> of "GDK_SUPER_MASK not set on keyboard events on wlroots-based
> compositors when the Super key is held down".  After you do that, I'd
> appreciate it if you gave us a link to the bug report, so we can at
> least put it in etc/PROBLEMS.

Reported it to GTK developers here:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4913 (which links back to
this bug). Thanks!

-- 
Thomas

Message #23 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: luangruo <at> yahoo.com, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:54:43 +0200

Le 11 mai 2022 à 16:22 +03, Eli Zaretskii a écrit :
>> Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
>> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
>> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
>> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs <at> gnu.org
>> Cc: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:04:25 +0200
>> 
>> Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
>> editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > That patch (and the old code) is incorrect, and the code before its
>> > removal was another example of the PGTK port haphazardly copying code
>> > from xterm.c to do stuff GDK is supposed to do by itself.  Mod4 is a
>> > real modifier and can correspond to any (number) of virtual modifiers,
>> > which might or might not contain Super.
>> 
>> But this seems to affect many people who had a working Super key before,
>> so I think we should re-fix this on the Emacs side.
>
> I agree.  At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to
> restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS.

From a user perspective, this seems like a decent trade-off. For me, not
being able to use the previous behavior would mean that I'd have to stop
testing Git releases until Emacs 29 is released.

Not having such a knob would also prevent any user who is for some
reason stuck on an older version of Gtk to upgrade Emacs.

-- 
Thomas

Message #26 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, schnouki <at> schnouki.net,
 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:08:03 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I agree.  At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to
> restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS.

If we do that, then in my experience this bug will never be fixed in
GTK, and we will be stuck maintaining this awful hack until the end of
time.

It's okay to add such a knob assuming the GTK bug still isn't fixed
approaching the release of Emacs 29, but not now, when that release is
still several years away.

Message #29 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:09:09 +0800

Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net> writes:

> Not having such a knob would also prevent any user who is for some
> reason stuck on an older version of Gtk to upgrade Emacs.

Emacs 28 does not support PGTK, and we will not turn it on by default
for future releases either, so there is no regression from the POV of
the user.

Message #32 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>
Cc: 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:09:38 +0800

Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net> writes:

> Reported it to GTK developers here:
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4913 (which links back to
> this bug). Thanks!

Fantastic, thanks!

Message #35 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, schnouki <at> schnouki.net, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:14:29 +0200

Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> It's okay to add such a knob assuming the GTK bug still isn't fixed
> approaching the release of Emacs 29, but not now, when that release is
> still several years away.

The release of Emacs 29 isn't several years away, I think.  :-)

But people are using Emacs 29 now, and are running into this problem, so
I think it should be fixed (one way or another) now.  (We've had many
bug reports about it already.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #38 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, schnouki <at> schnouki.net, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 17:25:09 +0300

> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,  schnouki <at> schnouki.net,
>   55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:08:03 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > I agree.  At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to
> > restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS.
> 
> If we do that, then in my experience this bug will never be fixed in
> GTK, and we will be stuck maintaining this awful hack until the end of
> time.

IMO, we should think about our users first.  Besides, there's no
guarantee whatsoever that the bug will be fix if we don't work around
it.

> It's okay to add such a knob assuming the GTK bug still isn't fixed
> approaching the release of Emacs 29, but not now, when that release is
> still several years away.

I think this is a mistake.  We cause a disadvantage to our users now
because we believe the GTK developers will fix this later.  There's no
reason for that hope based on our past experience.  And if you believe
GTK developers pay such attention to what we do or don't do, why not
assume that they will read this discussion and say "okay, those Emacs
guys can solve this themselves if they want to"?

Message #41 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: luangruo <at> yahoo.com, schnouki <at> schnouki.net, 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 17:26:32 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  schnouki <at> schnouki.net,
>   55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:14:29 +0200
> 
> Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> > It's okay to add such a knob assuming the GTK bug still isn't fixed
> > approaching the release of Emacs 29, but not now, when that release is
> > still several years away.
> 
> The release of Emacs 29 isn't several years away, I think.  :-)

Not just that: when we get closer to a release, we generally don't
want significant changes.

Message #44 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, schnouki <at> schnouki.net,
 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 19:22:54 +0300

On 11.05.2022 17:08, Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army 
knife of text editors wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii<eliz <at> gnu.org>  writes:
> 
>> I agree.  At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to
>> restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS.
> If we do that, then in my experience this bug will never be fixed in
> GTK, and we will be stuck maintaining this awful hack until the end of
> time.

Does Emacs's behavior/bugs/etc ever affect GTK devs' choices? Doesn't 
seem to be the case so far.

Message #57 received at 55362-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Thomas Jost <schnouki <at> schnouki.net>, 55362-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 11:08:35 +0800

Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> Not before Emacs 29 is released, or otherwise the GTK developers will
> never fix their thing, and we will be stuck maintaining yet another
> broken hack to work around one of their bugs until the end of time,
> which is several degrees of magnitude more confusing because we now have
> two configurations where sometimes identical, and sometimes different
> GTK bugs have to be worked around.

And the bug has now been fixed in GTK.  The fix should be released and
reach most users rather quickly, so I'm closing this bug.

Message #89 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: daanturo <daanturo <at> gmail.com>
To: 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 15:34:13 +0700

The latest GTK3 version - 3.24.35 - released yesterday didn't include
the fix by
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/5088/diffs :

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/tags/3.24.35
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/blob/14cf55f98ddd71ad3f91487eda1c7f14d67de119/gdk/wayland/gdkkeys-wayland.c


I have just updated it on Arch and built Emacs on master but the super
key still isn't recognized. If I understand correctly Emacs PGTK depends
on GTK3 but not GTK4, then we should request GTK devs to backport
the fix to GTK3?

-- 
Daanturo.

Message #92 received at 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: daanturo <daanturo <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55362 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:37:12 +0800

daanturo <daanturo <at> gmail.com> writes:

> The latest GTK3 version - 3.24.35 - released yesterday didn't include
> the fix by
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/5088/diffs :
>
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/tags/3.24.35
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/blob/14cf55f98ddd71ad3f91487eda1c7f14d67de119/gdk/wayland/gdkkeys-wayland.c
>
>
> I have just updated it on Arch and built Emacs on master but the super
> key still isn't recognized. If I understand correctly Emacs PGTK depends
> on GTK3 but not GTK4, then we should request GTK devs to backport
> the fix to GTK3?

I thought it was installed in the GTK 3 branch (and not the GTK 4 one).
So please go ahead and ask them to do that.

Thanks.

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