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>> Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> "lisp/emacs-lisp/shorthands.el" doesn't provide a feature and lacks
>>> a "Package" library header. I think "Package: emacs" should be added.
> The same is true for smie.el, syntax.el, tabulated-list.el, testcover.el
> and possibly others.
Hmm... smie.el, syntax.el, and tabulated-list.el do `provide`
themselves, AFAICT. Indeed it seems to be missing from `testcover.el`.
> Should they have such a header as well?
[...]
> It seems like it's not consistent. What do we use such a header for?
IIRC the question is whether we want to present these files as "a
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Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Hm... I see that Chong did something like that with all the preloaded
>> .el files in bd78fa1d544, so I guess that's true?
>
> It seems like it's not consistent. What do we use such a header for?
The commit message only says:
Add "Package:" file headers to denote built-in packages.
So... I don't know? Perhaps Stefan M remembers; added to the CCs.
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> "lisp/emacs-lisp/shorthands.el" doesn't provide a feature and lacks
>> a "Package" library header. I think "Package: emacs" should be added.
The same is true for smie.el, syntax.el, tabulated-list.el, testcover.el
and possibly others. Should they have such a header as well?
>> Like other files in that directory "lisp/leim/quail/cham.el" neither
>> provides a feature nor is it explicitly made part of a package. Would
>> it make sense to add ("leim" . emacs) to `finder--builtins-alist'?
>
> Are all .el files supposed to have either a Package: header or a
> `provides' these days? I wasn't aware of that...
>
> Hm... I see that Chong did something like that with all the preloaded
> .el files in bd78fa1d544, so I guess that's true?
It seems like it's not consistent. What do we use such a header for?
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Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@HIDDEN> writes:
> "lisp/emacs-lisp/shorthands.el" doesn't provide a feature and lacks
> a "Package" library header. I think "Package: emacs" should be added.
>
> Like other files in that directory "lisp/leim/quail/cham.el" neither
> provides a feature nor is it explicitly made part of a package. Would
> it make sense to add ("leim" . emacs) to `finder--builtins-alist'?
Are all .el files supposed to have either a Package: header or a
`provides' these days? I wasn't aware of that...
Hm... I see that Chong did something like that with all the preloaded
.el files in bd78fa1d544, so I guess that's true?
> Maybe another such entry should be added for the "obsolete" directory?
>
> Unlike other "epa-*" libraries, "lisp/epa-ks.el" isn't made part of
> the "epa" package and fails to provide a feature.
I think it's separate thing, but it should have a provides, so I've now
added that.
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"lisp/emacs-lisp/shorthands.el" doesn't provide a feature and lacks
a "Package" library header. I think "Package: emacs" should be added.
Like other files in that directory "lisp/leim/quail/cham.el" neither
provides a feature nor is it explicitly made part of a package. Would
it make sense to add ("leim" . emacs) to `finder--builtins-alist'?
Maybe another such entry should be added for the "obsolete" directory?
Unlike other "epa-*" libraries, "lisp/epa-ks.el" isn't made part of
the "epa" package and fails to provide a feature.
Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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