Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 55514) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2022 13:00:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 22 09:00:44 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43907 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nslCO-0005fe-61 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2022 09:00:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nslCK-0005fN-Ab for 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2022 09:00:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nslCE-0000hq-Sm; Sun, 22 May 2022 09:00:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BBYYcvoH1LdYrZ3Vex47aI/wTh5yheOSCKfKPQBeLRM=; b=i/Gh4ufW33Z6 XR/+ZXwMuaMmlNEd98UHnG5+2dWdlN4SGJgmCDjnhRJv7PvqAjCalhsCanoxllz64nMqT1tqluuyg C/AjPC1zqW3217S0Uhx/aOKAXYevulfxXkT9QEDiFuwqxCNuK7t5viXh1NJBYsoIpRgHiBAdorp4b YkkCdZ+gQ/0o/rOSx9iGLJYZ8yNOm+wWTK4d1bzd5lM31orl6q0PVGSW19fO1ssVlCfkt2pb6HFYw y3A0XiuCxjPuOlT3+NtzKs4BcHjf0tHK1XHJvMlY/IbgX1rH55tuXfG8feiHRTGtuXAtOjNSstpiq 06NmO2E4sRybALknshGMIw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2585 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nslC7-0004ec-2o; Sun, 22 May 2022 09:00:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 16:00:10 +0300 Message-Id: <83leut7med.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87r14lx1ia.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 22 May 2022 13:14:37 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#55514: 29.0.50; Keyboard macros and visual-line-mode References: <87o7zu9tay.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d6idmot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux8505.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnegbsbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1yw65gw.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o7zsbrdk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu9k64w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtfcbhxz.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnefyuyx.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmk783di.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rqvxaxu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h75j7zqa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r14lx1ia.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55514 Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 13:14:37 +0200 > > I think we'll just have to let this rest for a while, because we've been > over this too many times. The original bug report really has all the > details. FWIW, I think my proposal -- to have an optional feature whereby C-n/C-p move by logical lines inside a macro -- would solve the issue presented in the original report.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Not sure I follow. When you recorded the macro, was C-n moving by > logical lines or by screen lines? If the former, how did you get it > to move by logical lines, when the default is to move by scr [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55514 Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Not sure I follow. When you recorded the macro, was C-n moving by > logical lines or by screen lines? If the former, how did you get it > to move by logical lines, when the default is to move by screen lines? That is what this bug report is about -- recording and executing macros. > Write a command that binds line-move-visual to nil and invokes > next-line, then bind it to some key, and use that key when you record > the macro. I think we'll just have to let this rest for a while, because we've been over this too many times. The original bug report really has all the details. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 55514) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2022 14:00:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 21 10:00:37 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nsPem-0000yU-SB for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 10:00:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nsPej-0000yB-7R for 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 10:00:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52656) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nsPec-0002pM-AX; Sat, 21 May 2022 10:00:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=yqoRS6ZhTtJLVW872rHfOyiO6JzBqg7W35flduNkKzQ=; b=EqwDyKrflW5I XjLQP7qLidnpDBoQK9WM7CB5cJFdSAADVm/Xwi0PoFyQ5JG6nxAwVc7QbllrA/HWwxUu4kZE3fZZ7 JHq5wHKQX3gxMrOli+byAHeiAGG1oNDSBsDr8amPC2lHaMH7w3NcYfGWEovFMFNqsrJFJdAVnzBw+ kTEWHFDBh7lfg4UV8guQtffLS3hpT6Om0oBuhkJChszeR/DV5b6K+W4GldBOz6Is+QBxao+H9MvMZ HGm+PgEkGI+xdH2mziNwcgpGX4xHig3ozVVwM3oN2macIluA6I3VQRCUrcfTn25y9ZvmKjoKS9G9D nHyW2uiHRMa5g3WzcNmjvA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1252 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nsPeK-0000nG-KY; Sat, 21 May 2022 10:00:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 16:59:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83h75j7zqa.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878rqvxaxu.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 21 May 2022 15:38:37 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#55514: 29.0.50; Keyboard macros and visual-line-mode References: <87o7zu9tay.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d6idmot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux8505.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnegbsbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1yw65gw.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o7zsbrdk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu9k64w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtfcbhxz.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnefyuyx.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmk783di.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rqvxaxu.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55514 Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 15:38:37 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > And what do you mean by "execute the same as they were recorded"? > > Moving logically versus visually. Not sure I follow. When you recorded the macro, was C-n moving by logical lines or by screen lines? If the former, how did you get it to move by logical lines, when the default is to move by screen lines? > >> I think having <down> recorded as `M-x next-logical-line' (etc), or > >> something to that effect, is the way to go here. > > > > That's trivial to program, so I'm not sure I understand why would we > > need that in core. > > Trivial how? Write a command that binds line-move-visual to nil and invokes next-line, then bind it to some key, and use that key when you record the macro. But maybe your answer to my first questions above will explain to me that I misunderstood you all the way.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > And what do you mean by "execute the same as they were recorded"? Moving logically versus visually. 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Moving logically versus visually. >> I think having <down> recorded as `M-x next-logical-line' (etc), or >> something to that effect, is the way to go here. > > That's trivial to program, so I'm not sure I understand why would we > need that in core. Trivial how? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > As I said earlier, we could add a special value of line-move-visual, > which would mean "move by visual lines, except when executing macros", > which would I think solve your problem. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55514 Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > As I said earlier, we could add a special value of line-move-visual, > which would mean "move by visual lines, except when executing macros", > which would I think solve your problem. That seems like a heavier solution than I had envisioned (without looking at the code). You can bind keyboard macros to keys and have them executed, and the point is that they should execute the same way as they were recorded. That's the fantastic utility of recording keyboard macros, after all. I don't think a setting that affects line-move-visual in this way would be all that sturdy. You can, for instance, record a macro, save it to a file, and use it later. It would be awkward if flipping a setting then affects how the macro executes. I think having <down> recorded as `M-x next-logical-line' (etc), or something to that effect, is the way to go here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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I thought you > wanted a way to make sure the macro runs with C-n/C-p working by > physical lines? I want people to be able to create usable keyboard macros -- that's the major regression line-move-visual led to, so I never understood why this wasn't fixed when it was introduced. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Reininger's _Live in Brussels_: "track" Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 09:14:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83wnegbsbk.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 10:01:51 +0300") Message-ID: <87y1yw65gw.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > No, you need just turn off line-move-visual in that hook, then C-n > will follow physical lines instead of visual lines, which is AFAIU > what you wanted. I don't understand what you mean here. Of course `C-n' will move logically when you switch line-move-visual off. But when you switch it back on again after recording the macro, `C-x e' will move visua [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55514 Cc: 55514 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > No, you need just turn off line-move-visual in that hook, then C-n > will follow physical lines instead of visual lines, which is AFAIU > what you wanted. I don't understand what you mean here. Of course `C-n' will move logically when you switch line-move-visual off. But when you switch it back on again after recording the macro, `C-x e' will move visually again, which is what you don't want. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Maybe all we need is to add a hook that will be called by > kmacro-call-macro before running the macro. 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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
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>
> visual-line-mode is nice, but it has one major drawback -- it makes
> <down> not "reliable" when recording macros.
>
> That is, if you record
>
> C-x ( C-SPC <down> <down> C-k C-x )
>
> (i.e., "kill two lines"), you can't really use `C-x e' to do much of
> anything, because the buffer may have too-long lines that makes <down>
> move down into the middle of a logical line.
>
> So perhaps we should have a user option that remaps
> next-line/previous-line to next-logical-line/previous-logical-line while
> inside a `C-x ('?
>
> (Or something to that effect -- perhaps the user option should make `C-x
> (' switch visual-line-mode off and exiting recording switches it on
> again (and the recorded macro would also contain those commands).
Maybe all we need is to add a hook that will be called by
kmacro-call-macro before running the macro. Then users can do
whatever they like in that hook, including turning off
line-move-visual (which I'm guessing is what you meant, not
visual-line-mode).
We could also have a new user option to turn that off automatically
while running a macro, but that sounds too specific to some uses of
macros in some use cases, not something many users will want in many
cases.
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visual-line-mode is nice, but it has one major drawback -- it makes
<down> not "reliable" when recording macros.
That is, if you record
C-x ( C-SPC <down> <down> C-k C-x )
(i.e., "kill two lines"), you can't really use `C-x e' to do much of
anything, because the buffer may have too-long lines that makes <down>
move down into the middle of a logical line.
So perhaps we should have a user option that remaps
next-line/previous-line to next-logical-line/previous-logical-line while
inside a `C-x ('?
(Or something to that effect -- perhaps the user option should make `C-x
(' switch visual-line-mode off and exiting recording switches it on
again (and the recorded macro would also contain those commands).
In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0)
of 2022-05-17 built on xo
Repository revision: 803041e01474f2a522170c9f388068e8460be2ae
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101003
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
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