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> 1. The file has this form:
>
> (require 'foo)
>
> (fooey-macro (some-shady-stuff-the-byte-comp-could-look-into))
>
> (some-more-shady-stuff)
>
> ;; Local Variables:
> ;; no-byte-compile: t
> ;; End:
>
> and the reason for adding the no-byte-compile cookie is that foo.el
> can't be found at compile-time. Then I think there is little reason
> to activate Flymake there. That's because Flymake will halt at the
> (require 'foo) and not look into the rest of the file.
BTW, while there is little benefit to having flymake run the
byte-compiler here, there is similarly little harm.
And the user may then decide to install `foo` to get the rest of the
file properly checked.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#55811: 29.0.50; No flymake diagnostics for no-byte-compile
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Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-06-07 13:54:52] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> This bug-report is about the fact that there is no benefit to
>> obeying `no-byte-compile` in flymake.
> Well, there are some. If you open, say, lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el,
> you'll get a whole bunch of compilation errors, and you don't want to
> see those, I think?
Why not?
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> This bug-report is about the fact that there is no benefit to
>> obeying `no-byte-compile` in flymake.
>
> Well, there are some. If you open, say, lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el,
> you'll get a whole bunch of compilation errors, and you don't want to
> see those, I think?
They could be useful I guess. There are two cases to distinguish here
(which is what I failed to clarify before). Perhaps Stefan is thinking
of the second.
1. The file has this form:
(require 'foo)
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
(fooey-macro (some-shady-stuff-the-byte-comp-could-look-into))
(some-more-shady-stuff)
;; Local Variables:
;; no-byte-compile: t
;; End:
and the reason for adding the no-byte-compile cookie is that foo.el
can't be found at compile-time. Then I think there is little reason
to activate Flymake there. That's because Flymake will halt at the
(require 'foo) and not look into the rest of the file.
2. The file is identical but doesn't have the (require 'foo), then, I
think Flymake will underline the first form, but carry on looking
into other stuff. This is possibly helpful, according to one's
own tolerance of signal-to-noise ratio.
If some files in case 2 are still unbearably noisy for some, then I
think there are existing ways to force Flymake off using buffer-local
variables.
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Subject: Re: bug#55811: 29.0.50; No flymake diagnostics for no-byte-compile
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Of course you know this -- but just to clarify -- the byte-compilation
>> backend works by launching a Emacs -Q which is asked to byte-compile
>> only a file containing the current buffer's contents. During that
>> byte-compilation nothing more is loaded apart from what is preloaded or
>> explicitly loaded by the file at compile-time (via require or
>> eval-when/and-compile stuff).
>
> This bug-report is about the fact that there is no benefit to
> obeying `no-byte-compile` in flymake. Not about improving the way the
> sub-process reproduces a "good" initial state to compile the file
> (e.g. set up of `load-path` and whatnot).
Sure, I understood. I was just commenting on the fact that the quality
of Flymake diagnostics might not be so good/helpful since those
diagnostics are likely affected by the same root causes that prevent
normal byte compilation anyway.
( Also, on the tangent note about load-path and Flymake, I completely
forgot that I added elisp-flymake-byte-compile-load-path some 4 years
ago.)
>> Anyway, maybe you could give small example of such a file containing
>> such a cookie where you think Flymake's "I refuse to lint this" behavior
>> could be improved.
>
> A good example are all the files in the
> [EEV](http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/eev.html) package.
OK. Try this "100% untested patch" (TM) then:
diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el b/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
index 70826b4c3a..b99007c938 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.el
@@ -2152,7 +2152,9 @@ elisp-flymake--batch-compile-for-flymake
collected)
t)))
(unwind-protect
- (byte-compile-file file)
+ (progn
+ (setq-local no-byte-compile nil)
+ (byte-compile-file file))
(ignore-errors
(kill-buffer byte-compile-log-buffer)))
(prin1 :elisp-flymake-output-start)
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> Of course you know this -- but just to clarify -- the byte-compilation
> backend works by launching a Emacs -Q which is asked to byte-compile
> only a file containing the current buffer's contents. During that
> byte-compilation nothing more is loaded apart from what is preloaded or
> explicitly loaded by the file at compile-time (via require or
> eval-when/and-compile stuff).
This bug-report is about the fact that there is no benefit to
obeying `no-byte-compile` in flymake. Not about improving the way the
sub-process reproduces a "good" initial state to compile the file
(e.g. set up of `load-path` and whatnot).
> Anyway, maybe you could give small example of such a file containing
> such a cookie where you think Flymake's "I refuse to lint this" behavior
> could be improved.
A good example are all the files in the
[EEV](http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/eev.html) package.
Stefan
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By this you mean that the provider of such macros is not `require`d? Then I don't understand what Flymake's byte-compilation backend could do about this either... As far as I understand it would just red-underline all the unknown macro-using forms, their bodies wouldn't be checked. Is this what you want? To check the rest of the file regardless? Of course you know this -- but just to clarify -- the byte-compilation backend works by launching a Emacs -Q which is asked to byte-compile only a file containing the current buffer's contents. During that byte-compilation nothing more is loaded apart from what is preloaded or explicitly loaded by the file at compile-time (via require or eval-when/and-compile stuff). A related issue is that when there _is_ an explicit require, then the load-path support is pretty poor: only the current directory is added to it. If the `require`'d file lives somewhere else, there's no way to hint that to the byte-comp backend, with a particular load-path. Anyway, maybe you could give small example of such a file containing such a cookie where you think Flymake's "I refuse to lint this" behavior could be improved. Jo=C3=A3o
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> I stumbled onto a related thing earlier tonight -- I said `M-x
> byte-compile-file RET RET' and then it did nothing -- because of the
> no-byte-compile.
>
> I'm not sure whether I agree with that -- if I've explicitly asked Emacs
> to do it, I think that should override the cookie. Or at least issue a
> message of some sort.
That's a slightly different case from mine: the `no-byte-compile` is
often used either because the user really only ever wants to load the
`.el` or because the compilation is known to fail (e.g. because it
requires macros defined in a package that's not marked as a strict
dependency, very common in tests).
Generating a `.elc` file explicitly with `M-x byte-compile-file` could
be a problem if subsequent "normal" use will fail to update that `.elc`
because of the `no-byte-compile`.
So, I think `byte-compile-file` should not silently override the
`no-byte-compile`. It could prompt to choose between "really compile"
and "compile but don't generate the .elc file".
Stefan
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Content preview: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > I think `no-byte-compile` only means that we should load the `.el` file > and not generate a `.elc` file and it shouldn't mean that we should > refrain from asking the byte-compiler what is its opin [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55811 Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9y?= =?utf-8?B?YQ==?= <joaotavora@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > I think `no-byte-compile` only means that we should load the `.el` file > and not generate a `.elc` file and it shouldn't mean that we should > refrain from asking the byte-compiler what is its opinion about the > quality of this code. I stumbled onto a related thing earlier tonight -- I said `M-x byte-compile-file RET RET' and then it did nothing -- because of the no-byte-compile. I'm not sure whether I agree with that -- if I've explicitly asked Emacs to do it, I think that should override the cookie. Or at least issue a message of some sort. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Subject: 29.0.50; No flymake diagnostics for no-byte-compile files
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Package: Emacs
Version: 29.0.50
As the title says, if you enable `flymake-mode` in an ELisp file with
a `no-byte-compile: t` in its file-local variables you don't get any
diagnostics from the compiler (you do still get diagnostics from
checkdoc, admittedly).
I think `no-byte-compile` only means that we should load the `.el` file
and not generate a `.elc` file and it shouldn't mean that we should
refrain from asking the byte-compiler what is its opinion about the
quality of this code.
Stefan
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nnheader range wid-edit ol-docview doc-view jka-compr image-mode exif
ol-bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi org ob ob-tangle ob-ref
ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint
org-pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities org-version ob-emacs-lisp
ob-core ob-eval org-table oc-basic bibtex iso8601 ol org-keys oc
org-compat advice org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec cal-menu calendar
cal-loaddefs gitignore-mode conf-mode ffap cl-print debug backtrace
find-func vc-mtn vc-hg vc-bzr vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs vc-got
vc-annotate vc-dir ewoc shortdoc gnutls mule-util magit-utils crm dash
log-edit message sendmail yank-media rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs
rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util
mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util
ietf-drums mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader add-log
whitespace pulse color display-line-numbers bug-reference edmacro kmacro
smerge-mode cl-extra wgrep executable copyright shell drupal/pcomplete
pcomplete files-x grep autoload misearch multi-isearch vc-fossil
vc-backup log-view pcvs-util vc diff vc-git diff-mode vc-dispatcher
filecache autorevert filenotify raku-detect server time-date
flymake-proc flymake project compile text-property-search comint
ansi-color warnings noutline outline easy-mmode flyspell ispell checkdoc
lisp-mnt thingatpt load-dir elec-pair reveal autoinsert savehist
minibuf-eldef disp-table compact-docstrings ede/auto eieio-base
geiser-impl help-fns radix-tree help-mode geiser-custom geiser-base ring
proof-site proof-autoloads slime-autoloads sly-autoloads rx cl-seq
engrave-faces gnu-elpa-features realgud-recursive-autoloads finder-inf
compat url-auth info package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util
mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source eieio eieio-core cl-macs gv
pcase eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq
byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip
cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd
fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment
text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow
isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice simple cl-generic
indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray button loaddefs oclosure cl-preloaded
faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5
base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit
xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 1240648 196783) (symbols 48 46340 117) (strings 32 226460 23555)
(string-bytes 1 8179239) (vectors 16 202898)
(vector-slots 8 4464083 548777) (floats 8 1703 1486)
(intervals 56 128360 2956) (buffers 992 267))
Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>:joaotavora@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.joaotavora@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#55811; Package emacs.
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