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From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#55857: Odd Shepherd message on 'guix system reconfigure':
(map (# ?) ?)
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Hello,
Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>>> The message is produced by shepherd as a response to an expression that
>>> =E2=80=98guix system reconfigure=E2=80=99 tells it to evaluate, in (gnu=
services herd).
>>> And all this happens as part of the live service upgrade mechanism.
>>>
>>> Admittedly, this particular message is not something one cares about as
>>> a user, but it seemed safer to print messages shepherd might send during
>>> that operation.
>>
>> Perhaps what we need is a proper logging infrastructure?
>
> The difficulty here is that the message comes from shepherd without a
> priority/level flag. Usually those messages are well worth displaying
> because they show what services got restarted, what failed, etc. But
> this one message is the fly in the ointment=E2=80=A6
Yes, I wasn't clear but I meant *Shepherd* needs a proper logging
infrastructure (although it seems to me the logging library in Guile-Lib
could be used in any Guile project, Guix included -- the way the
'logging' module comes standard in Python and preferred to printing or
reinventing a logging system :-)).
Maxim
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#55857; Package guix.
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From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#55857: Odd Shepherd message on 'guix system reconfigure':
(map (# ?) ?)
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Hi Ludovic,
Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> The following message is shown when reconfiguring Guix System:
>>
>> shepherd: Evaluating user expression (and (defined? (quote transient?)) =
(map (# ?) ?)).
>>
>> It doesn't seem intended for end users to see; at least I have no clue
>> what it's supposed to tell me :-).
>
> The question marks are HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS not being displayed properly
> because =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99 is not running under a UTF-8 locale.
>
> The message is produced by shepherd as a response to an expression that
> =E2=80=98guix system reconfigure=E2=80=99 tells it to evaluate, in (gnu s=
ervices herd).
> And all this happens as part of the live service upgrade mechanism.
>
> Admittedly, this particular message is not something one cares about as
> a user, but it seemed safer to print messages shepherd might send during
> that operation.
Perhaps what we need is a proper logging infrastructure? The above
message could be flagged as a 'debug' level message. stdout/stderr
would only get to see the 'info' or higher level messages, the rest
would be logged only to syslog, keeping the user interface clean. I
know such a logging mechanism exists in Guile-Lib, as the (logging
logger) module [0].
What do you think?
Thanks,
Maxim
[0] https://www.nongnu.org/guile-lib/doc/ref/logging.logger/
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#55857; Package guix.
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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <87leu7j84f.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qk1-x72d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hello Guix, The following message is shown when reconfiguring Guix System: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- shepherd: Evaluating user expression (and (defined? 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