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Subject: bug#56013: 28.1; "gio open" and "xdg-open" fail silently under eshell
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Setup:
$ echo "Hello, world!" > /tmp/hello.txt

Normal behavior:
$ gnome-terminal
;; now within terminal
$ gio open /tmp/hello.txt
;; GOOD RESULT - file is opened in app, as described by mime type. On my
system, app is 'Xed'

Emacs behavior:
$ emacs -Q
;; now in emacs
M-x eshell
;; now in eshell buffer
$ gio open /tmp/hello.txt
;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app not opened, silent failure, nothing
in message buffer
$ xdg-open /tmp/hello.txt
;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app not opened, silent failure, nothing
in message buffer

I've tried making my $ENV identical between normal terminal and eshell,
but I get the same results.

Thanks for your help,
Jeff Kowalski
---------

In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Setup:<br>$ echo &quot;Hello, world!&quot; &gt; /tmp/hello=
.txt<br><br>Normal behavior:<br>$ gnome-terminal<br>;; now within terminal<=
br>$ gio open /tmp/hello.txt<br>;; GOOD RESULT - file is opened in app, as =
described by mime type. On my system, app is &#39;Xed&#39;<br><br>Emacs beh=
avior:<br>$ emacs -Q<br>;; now in emacs<br>M-x eshell<br>;; now in eshell b=
uffer<br>$ gio open /tmp/hello.txt<br>;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app =
not opened, silent failure, nothing<br>in message buffer<br>$ xdg-open /tmp=
/hello.txt<br>;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app not opened, silent failu=
re, nothing<br>in message buffer<div><br>I&#39;ve tried making my $ENV iden=
tical between normal terminal and eshell,<br>but I get the same results.<br=
><br>Thanks for your help,<div>Jeff Kowalski<br>---------<div><br>In GNU Em=
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Jeff Kowalski <jeff.kowalski@HIDDEN> writes:

> Emacs behavior:
> $ emacs -Q
> ;; now in emacs
> M-x eshell
> ;; now in eshell buffer
> $ gio open /tmp/hello.txt
> ;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app not opened, silent failure, nothing
> in message buffer
> $ xdg-open /tmp/hello.txt
> ;; BAD RESULT - nothing happens, app not opened, silent failure, nothing
> in message buffer

[...]

> In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, cairo
> version 1.16.0)
>  of 2022-05-30 built on lcy02-amd64-022
> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12013000
> System Description: Linux Mint 20.3

I'm unable to reproduce this problem (Debian/bookworm, Gnome Shell), but
I vaguely remember other reports about xdg-open not working in some
circumstances -- I don't remember the details.  Anybody else remember?

Hm...  was it something to do with timing and the weird way that
xdg-open works?  Hm, no, don't remember.

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On Jun 16 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Hm...  was it something to do with timing and the weird way that
> xdg-open works?

It's how it backgrounds itself, and how eshell spawns a new session for
each command.

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See bug#44824.

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Ah, right.  The fix proposed there was:

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    'pty to prevent killing of background process on handler exit.

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On 6/17/2022 4:59 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
>> See bug#44824.
> 
> Ah, right.  The fix proposed there was:
> 
>      org.el: Avoid xdg-open silent failure
>      
>      * lisp/org.el (org-open-file): Use 'pipe :connection-type instead of
>      'pty to prevent killing of background process on handler exit.
> 
> Perhaps Jim has some comments here; added to the CCs.

Yeah, this is an issue with how `start-file-process' is being called in 
Eshell (see `eshell-gather-process-output'). If I call `(setq 
process-connection-type nil)' before running gio in Eshell, it works fine.

There's *almost* an existing Eshell function that would solve this: 
`eshell-needs-pipe-p'. Currently, it only returns t if certain programs 
are being piped *to*, but we could enhance that to allow specifying that 
some programs need a "pipe" (i.e. for `process-connection-type' to be 
nil) all the time. Then we'd just need to add gio and xdg-open to 
`eshell-needs-pipe' (which should probably be a defcustom while we're 
there).

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On 6/17/2022 10:17 AM, Jim Porter wrote:
> On 6/17/2022 4:59 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> See bug#44824.
>>
>> Ah, right.  The fix proposed there was:
>>
>>      org.el: Avoid xdg-open silent failure
>>      * lisp/org.el (org-open-file): Use 'pipe :connection-type instead of
>>      'pty to prevent killing of background process on handler exit.
>>
>> Perhaps Jim has some comments here; added to the CCs.
> 
> Yeah, this is an issue with how `start-file-process' is being called in 
> Eshell (see `eshell-gather-process-output'). If I call `(setq 
> process-connection-type nil)' before running gio in Eshell, it works fine.

Oh right... I remember looking at a related issue before. Note: I don't 
think this will directly fix the issue in this bug, but it might affect 
how we do fix this, so I'm mentioning it here.

`eshell-needs-pipe-p' has a link to bug#1388, which discusses why that 
function exists in the first place. Basically, if `eshell-needs-pipe-p' 
didn't exist, then the following Eshell command wouldn't work right[1]:

   ~ $ *echo "1+1" | bc

However, the solution isn't quite right if you think about it: while 
it's true that bc's stdin should be a pipe, couldn't its stdout still be 
a pty? The all-or-nothing nature of "pipe vs pty" seems a bit 
over-restrictive. For example, this is (part of) why piping to `less' is 
so broken in Eshell. If you remove "less" from `eshell-visual-commands', 
you can see some of the issues. The following works ok, though you get 
the "dumb terminal" interface for less:

   ~ $ less file.txt

But this fails:

   ~ $ cat file.txt | less
   Missing filename ("less --help" for help)

I believe that's because `less' sees that stdin is a pty in that case 
and so it expects a filename. However, adding `less' to 
`eshell-needs-pipe' fails though because then `less' thinks stdout is a 
pipe too, so you don't even get the dumb terminal UI; it just forwards 
stdin to stdout unchanged.

Fixing this would get rid of the current uses for `eshell-needs-pipe-p', 
but then we'd probably want to keep it around in a slightly different 
form in order to handle gio/xdg-open properly. What we do about the 
issue described above would probably determine how the contents of 
`eshell-needs-pipe' should be specified.

[1] The "*" in that command is to use the real /bin/echo, since bc 
expects a trailing newline and Eshell's built-in echo doesn't do that.

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While I cannot help to craft the solution (I'm limited by my knowledge of
internals here), I'm very happy to help test proposals.  It seemed there
was a hint of a solution developed in this thread.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 11:25 AM Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> wrote:

> On 6/17/2022 10:17 AM, Jim Porter wrote:
> > On 6/17/2022 4:59 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> >> Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> writes:
> >>
> >>> See bug#44824.
> >>
> >> Ah, right.  The fix proposed there was:
> >>
> >>      org.el: Avoid xdg-open silent failure
> >>      * lisp/org.el (org-open-file): Use 'pipe :connection-type instead
> of
> >>      'pty to prevent killing of background process on handler exit.
> >>
> >> Perhaps Jim has some comments here; added to the CCs.
> >
> > Yeah, this is an issue with how `start-file-process' is being called in
> > Eshell (see `eshell-gather-process-output'). If I call `(setq
> > process-connection-type nil)' before running gio in Eshell, it works
> fine.
>
> Oh right... I remember looking at a related issue before. Note: I don't
> think this will directly fix the issue in this bug, but it might affect
> how we do fix this, so I'm mentioning it here.
>
> `eshell-needs-pipe-p' has a link to bug#1388, which discusses why that
> function exists in the first place. Basically, if `eshell-needs-pipe-p'
> didn't exist, then the following Eshell command wouldn't work right[1]:
>
>    ~ $ *echo "1+1" | bc
>
> However, the solution isn't quite right if you think about it: while
> it's true that bc's stdin should be a pipe, couldn't its stdout still be
> a pty? The all-or-nothing nature of "pipe vs pty" seems a bit
> over-restrictive. For example, this is (part of) why piping to `less' is
> so broken in Eshell. If you remove "less" from `eshell-visual-commands',
> you can see some of the issues. The following works ok, though you get
> the "dumb terminal" interface for less:
>
>    ~ $ less file.txt
>
> But this fails:
>
>    ~ $ cat file.txt | less
>    Missing filename ("less --help" for help)
>
> I believe that's because `less' sees that stdin is a pty in that case
> and so it expects a filename. However, adding `less' to
> `eshell-needs-pipe' fails though because then `less' thinks stdout is a
> pipe too, so you don't even get the dumb terminal UI; it just forwards
> stdin to stdout unchanged.
>
> Fixing this would get rid of the current uses for `eshell-needs-pipe-p',
> but then we'd probably want to keep it around in a slightly different
> form in order to handle gio/xdg-open properly. What we do about the
> issue described above would probably determine how the contents of
> `eshell-needs-pipe' should be specified.
>
> [1] The "*" in that command is to use the real /bin/echo, since bc
> expects a trailing newline and Eshell's built-in echo doesn't do that.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">While I cannot help to craft the solution (I&#39;m limited=
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">On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 11:25 AM Jim Porter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jporter=
bugs@HIDDEN">jporterbugs@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
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d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 6/17/2022 10:17 AM, Jim Porter wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; On 6/17/2022 4:59 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Andreas Schwab &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schwab@HIDDEN" target=
=3D"_blank">schwab@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; See bug#44824.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Ah, right.=C2=A0 The fix proposed there was:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 org.el: Avoid xdg-open silent failure<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * lisp/org.el (org-open-file): Use &#39;p=
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&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &#39;pty to prevent killing of background=
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&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Perhaps Jim has some comments here; added to the CCs.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Yeah, this is an issue with how `start-file-process&#39; is being call=
ed in <br>
&gt; Eshell (see `eshell-gather-process-output&#39;). If I call `(setq <br>
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ks fine.<br>
<br>
Oh right... I remember looking at a related issue before. Note: I don&#39;t=
 <br>
think this will directly fix the issue in this bug, but it might affect <br=
>
how we do fix this, so I&#39;m mentioning it here.<br>
<br>
`eshell-needs-pipe-p&#39; has a link to bug#1388, which discusses why that =
<br>
function exists in the first place. Basically, if `eshell-needs-pipe-p&#39;=
 <br>
didn&#39;t exist, then the following Eshell command wouldn&#39;t work right=
[1]:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0~ $ *echo &quot;1+1&quot; | bc<br>
<br>
However, the solution isn&#39;t quite right if you think about it: while <b=
r>
it&#39;s true that bc&#39;s stdin should be a pipe, couldn&#39;t its stdout=
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a pty? The all-or-nothing nature of &quot;pipe vs pty&quot; seems a bit <br=
>
over-restrictive. For example, this is (part of) why piping to `less&#39; i=
s <br>
so broken in Eshell. If you remove &quot;less&quot; from `eshell-visual-com=
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the &quot;dumb terminal&quot; interface for less:<br>
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<br>
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<br>
I believe that&#39;s because `less&#39; sees that stdin is a pty in that ca=
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and so it expects a filename. However, adding `less&#39; to <br>
`eshell-needs-pipe&#39; fails though because then `less&#39; thinks stdout =
is a <br>
pipe too, so you don&#39;t even get the dumb terminal UI; it just forwards =
<br>
stdin to stdout unchanged.<br>
<br>
Fixing this would get rid of the current uses for `eshell-needs-pipe-p&#39;=
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br>
form in order to handle gio/xdg-open properly. What we do about the <br>
issue described above would probably determine how the contents of <br>
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<br>
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On 11/20/2022 9:14 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> While I cannot help to craft the solution (I'm limited by my knowledge 
> of internals here), I'm very happy to help test proposals.  It seemed 
> there was a hint of a solution developed in this thread.

This is a hacky workaround, but if it works for you, it would help prove 
a strategy to fix this:

   ~ $ cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat

The above forces 'xdg-open' to be run with pipes for its stdin and 
stdout. I believe the issue is that when 'xdg-open' sees a PTY for 
stdin/stdout, it seems to assume that the PTY will live for a long time; 
however, in Eshell, it will close the PTY as soon as 'xdg-open' returns, 
which breaks things.

A real fix would be to tell Eshell that certain programs, like xdg-open, 
should never use PTYs. (There used to be a variable called 
'eshell-needs-pipe' that did something similar to this, but after 
changing how Eshell connects processes, it was no longer needed.)

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Thanks for the response and suggestion.
From eshell,
     =CE=BB xdg-open file.txt
exits immediately, without opening file.txt, and
     =CE=BB cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat
shows the same behavior, but
     =CE=BB setsid -w xdg-open file.txt
opens the file as expected.
Hope this helps,
Jeff



On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:20 PM Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> wrote:

> On 11/20/2022 9:14 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> > While I cannot help to craft the solution (I'm limited by my knowledge
> > of internals here), I'm very happy to help test proposals.  It seemed
> > there was a hint of a solution developed in this thread.
>
> This is a hacky workaround, but if it works for you, it would help prove
> a strategy to fix this:
>
>    ~ $ cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat
>
> The above forces 'xdg-open' to be run with pipes for its stdin and
> stdout. I believe the issue is that when 'xdg-open' sees a PTY for
> stdin/stdout, it seems to assume that the PTY will live for a long time;
> however, in Eshell, it will close the PTY as soon as 'xdg-open' returns,
> which breaks things.
>
> A real fix would be to tell Eshell that certain programs, like xdg-open,
> should never use PTYs. (There used to be a variable called
> 'eshell-needs-pipe' that did something similar to this, but after
> changing how Eshell connects processes, it was no longer needed.)
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the response and suggestion.<div>From eshell,=
=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB xdg-open file.txt=C2=A0=C2=A0<b=
r></div><div>exits immediately, without opening file.txt, and</div><div>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat<br></div><div>shows t=
he same behavior, but</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB setsid -w xdg-op=
en file.txt<br></div><div>opens the file as expected.</div><div>Hope this=
=C2=A0helps,</div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov =
22, 2022 at 12:20 PM Jim Porter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jporterbugs@HIDDEN=
">jporterbugs@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/20/2022 9:14 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:<br>
&gt; While I cannot help to craft the solution (I&#39;m limited by my knowl=
edge <br>
&gt; of internals here), I&#39;m very happy to help test proposals.=C2=A0 I=
t seemed <br>
&gt; there was a hint of a solution developed in this thread.<br>
<br>
This is a hacky workaround, but if it works for you, it would help prove <b=
r>
a strategy to fix this:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0~ $ cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat<br>
<br>
The above forces &#39;xdg-open&#39; to be run with pipes for its stdin and =
<br>
stdout. I believe the issue is that when &#39;xdg-open&#39; sees a PTY for =
<br>
stdin/stdout, it seems to assume that the PTY will live for a long time; <b=
r>
however, in Eshell, it will close the PTY as soon as &#39;xdg-open&#39; ret=
urns, <br>
which breaks things.<br>
<br>
A real fix would be to tell Eshell that certain programs, like xdg-open, <b=
r>
should never use PTYs. (There used to be a variable called <br>
&#39;eshell-needs-pipe&#39; that did something similar to this, but after <=
br>
changing how Eshell connects processes, it was no longer needed.)<br>
</blockquote></div>

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On 11/22/2022 1:00 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> Thanks for the response and suggestion.
>  From eshell,
>       λ xdg-open file.txt
> exits immediately, without opening file.txt, and
>       λ cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat
> shows the same behavior, but
>       λ setsid -w xdg-open file.txt
> opens the file as expected.

Is this with Emacs 28 or 29? In 29, `cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat` 
should work as expected (I hope).

If it doesn't, then the solution I had in mind (make `xdg-open` use a 
pipe for its IO) probably wouldn't work, leaving us back at square one 
for this bug...

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I'm sorry, thanks for checking.  I didn't realize you meant v29.
I'm using GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-05-30
Is there something more I can help you with?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 2:59 PM Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> wrote:

> On 11/22/2022 1:00 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> > Thanks for the response and suggestion.
> >  From eshell,
> >       =CE=BB xdg-open file.txt
> > exits immediately, without opening file.txt, and
> >       =CE=BB cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat
> > shows the same behavior, but
> >       =CE=BB setsid -w xdg-open file.txt
> > opens the file as expected.
>
> Is this with Emacs 28 or 29? In 29, `cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat`
> should work as expected (I hope).
>
> If it doesn't, then the solution I had in mind (make `xdg-open` use a
> pipe for its IO) probably wouldn't work, leaving us back at square one
> for this bug...
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m=
 sorry, thanks for checking.=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t realize you meant v29.<div>=
I&#39;m using GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.=
24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-05-30</div><div>Is there something mor=
e I can help=C2=A0you with?</div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at =
2:59 PM Jim Porter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jporterbugs@HIDDEN" target=3D"_=
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,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/22/2022 1:00 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:<br>
&gt; Thanks for the response and suggestion.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 From eshell,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB xdg-open file.txt<br>
&gt; exits immediately, without opening file.txt, and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat<br>
&gt; shows the same behavior, but<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=CE=BB setsid -w xdg-open file.txt<br>
&gt; opens the file as expected.<br>
<br>
Is this with Emacs 28 or 29? In 29, `cat | xdg-open file.txt | cat` <br>
should work as expected (I hope).<br>
<br>
If it doesn&#39;t, then the solution I had in mind (make `xdg-open` use a <=
br>
pipe for its IO) probably wouldn&#39;t work, leaving us back at square one =
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for this bug...<br>
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On Okt 02 2024, Jeff Kowalski wrote:

> Recall we're still trying to get the "xdg-open file.txt" case to work
> correctly.

This is not possible as long as eshell creates a new session for each
command and closes it immediately after the command exits.  You can
observe the same effect if you run "xterm -e 'xdg-open file.txt'".

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On 10/3/2024 1:09 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> On Okt 02 2024, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> 
>> Recall we're still trying to get the "xdg-open file.txt" case to work
>> correctly.
> 
> This is not possible as long as eshell creates a new session for each
> command and closes it immediately after the command exits.  You can
> observe the same effect if you run "xterm -e 'xdg-open file.txt'".

I'm not sure there's a way to avoid creating a new session for each 
command, at least not without a bunch of changes to process.c (though if 
someone disagrees, I'd be happy for some pointers in the right 
direction). As a workaround, if you make sure that the I/O handles for 
"xdg-open" are all pipes, that should outsmart it, e.g.:

   echo | xdg-open <whatever> |& cat

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Thanks for the replies.  I had hoped that there was indeed that change in
process creation, but I can live with the current implementation.
I am currently using a shortcut "o", defined as:

~ =CE=BB which o
o is an alias, defined as "setsid -w gio open $*"

Best regards,
Jeff

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 4:46=E2=80=AFPM Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> w=
rote:

> On 10/3/2024 1:09 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> > On Okt 02 2024, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> >
> >> Recall we're still trying to get the "xdg-open file.txt" case to work
> >> correctly.
> >
> > This is not possible as long as eshell creates a new session for each
> > command and closes it immediately after the command exits.  You can
> > observe the same effect if you run "xterm -e 'xdg-open file.txt'".
>
> I'm not sure there's a way to avoid creating a new session for each
> command, at least not without a bunch of changes to process.c (though if
> someone disagrees, I'd be happy for some pointers in the right
> direction). As a workaround, if you make sure that the I/O handles for
> "xdg-open" are all pipes, that should outsmart it, e.g.:
>
>    echo | xdg-open <whatever> |& cat
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the replies.=C2=A0 I had hoped that there was i=
ndeed that change in process creation, but I can live with the current impl=
ementation.<div>I am currently using a shortcut &quot;o&quot;, defined as:<=
/div><div><br></div><div>~ =CE=BB which o<br>o is an alias, defined as &quo=
t;setsid -w gio open $*&quot;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</d=
iv><div>Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 4:46=E2=80=AFPM Jim Porter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jporterbugs@HIDDEN">jporterbugs@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 10/3/2024 1:0=
9 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote:<br>
&gt; On Okt 02 2024, Jeff Kowalski wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Recall we&#39;re still trying to get the &quot;xdg-open file.txt&q=
uot; case to work<br>
&gt;&gt; correctly.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is not possible as long as eshell creates a new session for each<=
br>
&gt; command and closes it immediately after the command exits.=C2=A0 You c=
an<br>
&gt; observe the same effect if you run &quot;xterm -e &#39;xdg-open file.t=
xt&#39;&quot;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s a way to avoid creating a new session for each=
 <br>
command, at least not without a bunch of changes to process.c (though if <b=
r>
someone disagrees, I&#39;d be happy for some pointers in the right <br>
direction). As a workaround, if you make sure that the I/O handles for <br>
&quot;xdg-open&quot; are all pipes, that should outsmart it, e.g.:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0echo | xdg-open &lt;whatever&gt; |&amp; cat<br>
</blockquote></div>

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On 10/3/2024 7:33 PM, Jeff Kowalski wrote:
> Thanks for the replies.  I had hoped that there was indeed that change 
> in process creation, but I can live with the current implementation.
> I am currently using a shortcut "o", defined as:
> 
> ~ λ which o
> o is an alias, defined as "setsid -w gio open $*"

I'd like to come up with a better solution for this eventually; the 
hacky way to do it would be to be able to identify when a command should 
just use pipes for the I/O handles instead of PTYs. I'd looked into that 
a while back but xdg-open specifically proved a bit tricky to get right 
thanks to some Eshell shebang handling mucking things up (as I recall). 
Probably fixable given enough work though...

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merge 56013 75304
thanks

On 1/2/2025 1:37 PM, Richard Sent wrote:
> If I set process-connection-type to nil, sshfs works as expected. This
> isn't ideal because it can cause breakage elsewhere (e.g. ripgrep).

If that's the case, then this is just bug#56013, which you linked to. 
That's not fixed yet, and there's not a great general solution for it 
(at least not one without extensive changes to process.c, which I'd 
rather avoid). A workaround in Eshell would be to change 
process-connection-type based on the program name, but in my tests that 
interacts badly with shell scripts, so would require a bit more work to 
support things like xdg-open.

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