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28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for recurring events, when importing ical to diary

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From: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for recurring events,
 when importing ical to diary
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 16:21:56 +0200

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When importing the attached minimal ical file using icalendar-import-file, the resulting time is off by one hour. The problem probably lies somewhere in icalendar--convert-recurring-to-diary, but I couldn't pinpoint the exact location.
The only meeting in the attached icalendar file is defined in timezone 'America/New_York' at 10 am. It shows up in my diary (which is timezone 'Europe/Berlin') at 3pm, even though the time difference between the two timezones is 6 hours.

To reproduce, save the attached file somewhere and execute the following command:

(icalendar-import-file "~/calendar_issue.ical" "~/test.diary")

after adjusting the paths as necessary.


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Message #8 received at 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:57:13 +0200

Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com> writes:

> When importing the attached minimal ical file using
> icalendar-import-file, the resulting time is off by one hour. The
> problem probably lies somewhere in
> icalendar--convert-recurring-to-diary, but I couldn't pinpoint the
> exact location.  The only meeting in the attached icalendar file is
> defined in timezone 'America/New_York' at 10 am. It shows up in my
> diary (which is timezone 'Europe/Berlin') at 3pm, even though the time
> difference between the two timezones is 6 hours.

No, the difference varies -- Daylight Savings started on March 13 in the
US but on March 27 in the EU, and in that period there was a five hour
difference.

And:

DTSTART;TZID="America/New_York":20220317T100000
DTEND;TZID="America/New_York":20220317T103000

This was in the middle of that period.  So this seems like it's working
as it should?

But if I'm reading the ical file right, this is a recurring (weekly?)
event, so it should be at 4pm after March 27...

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Message #11 received at 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Sainty <psainty <at> orcon.net.nz>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:10:08 +1200

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I've also had some issues with ical->diary times, but it's
a feature I've barely started using, so I don't have much
input and I'd not tried to debug it.

I'm using the mu4e email client as the UI for importing these
from email attachments, but AFAICS that's using icalendar.el
via: (icalendar-import-file path diary-file)

In my case the issue isn't restricted to recurring events,
and in general the times imported into the diary seem to be
0.5 hours later than they ought to be.  The example below
(full file attached) is for a meeting from 15:30 to 16:00
on the 20th, and it showed up in my diary as 16:00 to 16:30.

DTSTART;TZID=/freeassociation.sourceforge.net/Pacific/Auckland:
 20220620T153000
DTEND;TZID=/freeassociation.sourceforge.net/Pacific/Auckland:
 20220620T160000

Something noteworthy about the full attached file is just how
many entries there are for daylight savings vs standard time
within the VTIMEZONE block.  This seems to be a history of
daylight savings variations for the timezone, so I did wonder
whether that could be causing any confusion.


-Phil

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Message #14 received at 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:10:34 +0200

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Hi Lars,


Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

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> Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com> writes:
>
>> When importing the attached minimal ical file using
>> icalendar-import-file, the resulting time is off by one hour. The
>> problem probably lies somewhere in
>> icalendar--convert-recurring-to-diary, but I couldn't pinpoint the
>> exact location.  The only meeting in the attached icalendar file is
>> defined in timezone 'America/New_York' at 10 am. It shows up in my
>> diary (which is timezone 'Europe/Berlin') at 3pm, even though the time
>> difference between the two timezones is 6 hours.
>
> No, the difference varies -- Daylight Savings started on March 13 in the
> US but on March 27 in the EU, and in that period there was a five hour
> difference.
>
> And:
>
> DTSTART;TZID="America/New_York":20220317T100000
> DTEND;TZID="America/New_York":20220317T103000
>
> This was in the middle of that period.  So this seems like it's working
> as it should?
>
> But if I'm reading the ical file right, this is a recurring (weekly?)
> event, so it should be at 4pm after March 27...

I thought that it might have something to do with the different start dates for daylight savings time. However it should
show up at 4pm, but it shows up at 3pm after March 27.

Maybe this is a more general problem, that the diary does not consider timezones at all. I think, that the conversion
functionality would need to convert each date of a recurring event separately, as the daylight savings time might have
changed between consecutive repetitions.  However the diary syntax does not allow to specify this, as far as I
understand. So maybe this is more of a shortcoming in the diary syntax than a conversion problem.  Probably instead of
diary-cyclic another sexp would be needed, which also takes the time of day into account, which diary-cyclic does not
do.

Thanks,

Martin
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:48:12 +0200

Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com> writes:

> Maybe this is a more general problem, that the diary does not consider
> timezones at all. I think, that the conversion functionality would
> need to convert each date of a recurring event separately, as the
> daylight savings time might have changed between consecutive
> repetitions.

Yes, for repeating events, diary has to keep track of what the original
time zone (and time) is, and convert from that time each day.  I've
skimmed the diary functions, and it doesn't seem like that's something
the diary functions have taken into accound, so patches welcome.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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From: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:06:59 +0200

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Hallo Lars,


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>
> Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com> writes:
>
>> Maybe this is a more general problem, that the diary does not consider
>> timezones at all. I think, that the conversion functionality would
>> need to convert each date of a recurring event separately, as the
>> daylight savings time might have changed between consecutive
>> repetitions.
>
> Yes, for repeating events, diary has to keep track of what the original
> time zone (and time) is, and convert from that time each day.  I've
> skimmed the diary functions, and it doesn't seem like that's something
> the diary functions have taken into accound, so patches welcome.

I suppose, that it would be a major undertaking to teach the diary about timezones. As this is a personal diary it
probably also doesn't make too much sense. Therefore I wonder, if it wouldn't be the better approach, to split a
recurring event from ical into separate events in the diary. This way the conversion functionality could convert each
event separately. When I find the time, I can try to improve this, but for now I don't fully understand the details of
the code.
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:39:12 +0200

Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com> writes:

> I suppose, that it would be a major undertaking to teach the diary
> about timezones. As this is a personal diary it probably also doesn't
> make too much sense. Therefore I wonder, if it wouldn't be the better
> approach, to split a recurring event from ical into separate events in
> the diary.

If you have an event that repeats yearly, that's a lot of entries.  But
more importantly, you don't know a year in advance what the actual time
is going to be until much later -- gummints change time zone rules on a
whim, and a 4:00 PM event in New York time may or may not be 22:00
German time in five months time -- you can't tell in advance.

The only way to make this work reliably is to store the actual time zone
of the event.

-- 
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Message #26 received at 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Martin Apel <martin.apel <at> 3ds.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56125 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56125: 28.1; Timezone conversion sometimes wrong for
 recurring events, when importing ical to diary
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:55:10 +0200

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Hi Lars,


Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

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>> I suppose, that it would be a major undertaking to teach the diary
>> about timezones. As this is a personal diary it probably also doesn't
>> make too much sense. Therefore I wonder, if it wouldn't be the better
>> approach, to split a recurring event from ical into separate events in
>> the diary.
>
> If you have an event that repeats yearly, that's a lot of entries.  But
> more importantly, you don't know a year in advance what the actual time
> is going to be until much later -- gummints change time zone rules on a
> whim, and a 4:00 PM event in New York time may or may not be 22:00
> German time in five months time -- you can't tell in advance.
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> The only way to make this work reliably is to store the actual time zone
> of the event.

You are right, I thought that these times are fairly fixed. I think for the time being I have to be careful with
appointments created in different timezones, because extending the diary package is beyond my ELisp skills and also
beyond my free time.
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