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But we're Emacs; it will take some further decades befo= re we > Michael> obsolete the whole ange-ftp.el package. Not before major Lin= ux distros > Michael> ban the ftp packages from their repos. > > Telnet is already hard to obtain in many distributions, ftp can=CA=BCt be > far behind (although there=CA=BCs always curl =F0=9F=99=82) --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Fedora 36: # dnf list telnet Last metadata expiration check: 0:03:43 ago on Wed 13 Jul 2022 12:31:15 PM = CEST. Installed Packages telnet.x86_64 1:0.17-86.fc36 @f= edora Ubuntu 22.04: # apt list telnet Listing... Done telnet/jammy,now 0.17-44build1 amd64 [installed] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- What counts for us are the (telnet, ftp) clients. The servers will still live on old routers, NAS boxes, you name it, and those machines won't run a modernish ssh server for access. > Robert Best regards, Michael.
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#56518: Drop rsh/rlogin/remsh from Ange FTP
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>>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:53:58 +0200, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@=
gmx.de> said:
Michael> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> (I note that Firefox and Chrome dropped FTP support in 2021.
>>> And the FSF has sunset their FTP servers.)
>>=20
>> Sic transit gloria mundi!
Michael> Yep. But we're Emacs; it will take some further decades before=
we
Michael> obsolete the whole ange-ftp.el package. Not before major Linux=
distros
Michael> ban the ftp packages from their repos.
Telnet is already hard to obtain in many distributions, ftp can=CA=BCt be
far behind (although there=CA=BCs always curl =F0=9F=99=82)
Robert
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Please rewrite its documentation to talk about SSH > instead. These programs are mentioned in relation to "gateways". That is, if you cannot access the FTP server from your local machine, you can connect to that gateway (via rsh or alike) and start the ftp client on that machine. I guess we shall remove gateways at all from ange-ftp.el, because I don't know whether they work with ssh or friends. At least, they shall be made obsolete. A proper replacement would be to improve Tramp's multi-hop, and support remote file names like "/ssh:gateway|ftp:server:/path/to/file". Anything goes, but is it really worth the trouble? It won't be trivial. OTOH, I have no idea whether there's still somebody using Ange FTP with gateways. > (I note that Firefox and Chrome dropped FTP support in 2021. > And the FSF has sunset their FTP servers.) Sigh. Best regards, Michael.
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