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Subject: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM +
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On 2022-07-20 14:30, Maxime Devos wrote:
> On 20-07-2022 14:08, Andrew Tropin wrote:
>> Hi Maxime,
>>
>> According to the documentation to get all the environment variables set
>> correctly you either need to manage your login shell with Guix Home or
>> do additional configuration of your shell:
>> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Configuring-the-Shell.html
>
> I am not using a login shell, though I suppose there might be one under=20
> the hood somewhere (IIRC, and if it hasn't changed, some login managers=20
> are wrapped in Guix System to insert a bash --login in-between). Even if=
=20
> I am using a (non-login) shell, there's still an issue: if I start an=20
> application via the graphical things, they don't get all the environment=
=20
> variables (I tested this by opening a terminal that starts bash and=20
> doing "echo $EMACSLOADPATH", but that a shell is used for the test seems=
=20
> irrelevant here to me).
>
>> From what I see you manage bash with Guix Home,
> I am not. I just keep the default ~/.bash_profile etc that a fresh Guix=20
> System install gave me and the only reason bash_profile things appear in=
=20
> the home configuration is because "guix home import" generated that. I'm=
=20
> not managing anything, just keeping the defaults.
You are ;) Declaring home-bash-service-type in home environment means
that Guix Home will generate and install bash configurations, which
means you are managing bash configurations with Guix Home.
>> so according to the
>> source code your bash_profile should look differently from what you've
>> posted and must contain `source ~/.profile` in it:
>
> ~/.bash_profile does contain that line:
>
> # Set up the system, user profile, and related variables.
> # /etc/profile will be sourced by bash automatically
> # Set up the home environment profile.
> if [ -f ~/.profile ]; then source ~/.profile; fi
>
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc; fi
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi
You can remove your original bash_profile, because it's just duplicates
last two lines, Guix Home adds the same content as skeletons provided
during system installation and a little more.
>
> However, .bash_profile (the one from the local-file) does not:
>
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi
>
>
>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/home/services/shells=
.scm#n440
>>
>> This line makes your login shell
>
> I am not using a login shell but a graphical environment -- the only=20
> reason I actually use a shell at all is because I find it more=20
> convenient to open a terminal and type "emacs" than to look in the=20
> graphical desktop thingy for the Emacs icon. Also, I'm not finding Emacs=
=20
> here even though in the previous installation of Guix System (GDM + Mate=
=20
> IIRC, without Guix Home but with "guix install ...".=C2=A0 Icedove isn't=
=20
> appearing there either, though the browser is.
>
> I recall that it login shells were not necessary on Guix System +=20
> ~/.guix-profile (without Guix Home), at least for the desktop=20
> environment combination I used back then, though it was required on my=20
> Debian system to do "bash --login".=C2=A0 I can do "bash --login" on my G=
uix=20
> System + Guix Home setup to start a login shell, but that would be a=20
> regression.
>
I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.
Put the following content to your ~/.xsession:
=2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
. ~/.profile
=2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Or add the following service to your home environment:
=2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(simple-service
'xsession-init-file
home-files-service-type
`((".xsession" ,(plain-file "xsession" ". ~/.profile"))))
=2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> source .profile, which sources
>> setup-environment, which sources ~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile, which
>> sets EMACSLOADPATH.
>>
>> Additionally, I've built the home environment you provided and it
>> contains the code I mentioned above.
>>
>> Make sure that ~/.bash_profile and ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
>> point to the same file in the store.
>
> antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l .bash_profile
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 antipode users 56 19 jul 22:14 .bash_profile ->=20
> /gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile
>
> antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56=C2=A0 1 jan=C2=A0 1970=20
> /home/antipode/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile ->=20
> /gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile
>
> They do.=C2=A0 Also, shouldn't ~/.bash_profile point to=20
> ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile instead of directly to the store, to be=
=20
> more atomic (unrelated to #56661 though), like done for symlinks in /etc=
=20
> in Guix System?
No.
Activation is not atomic process anyway.
=2D-=20
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Andrew Tropin
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On 2022-07-22 11:32, Maxime Devos wrote:
> On 20-07-2022 19:47, Andrew Tropin wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
>> sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.
> Me neither, and I don't particularly care.
>
> If this is something that needs to be done, shouldn't _Guix System_=20
> create that file by default, for the same reason that Guix System=20
> creates a ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile by default?=C2=A0 I don't see wh=
y I=20
> would have to do that myself.
It's a tricky question, because it's a case on the edge of Home/System.
From=20one point of view it should be handled by some home service, which
will create a proper ~/.xsession or extend it and generic mechanism,
from some display managers will automatically source it, but on the
other hand maybe adjusting system services for other DMs, which doesn't
work "out of the box" yet is a way to go. I don't have much experience
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 22-07-2022 15:03, Andrew Tropin
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:87czdxl2o7.fsf@HIDDEN">
<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">It's a tricky question, beca=
use it's a case on the edge of Home/System.
=46rom one point of view it should be handled by some home service, which=
will create a proper ~/.xsession or extend it and generic mechanism,</pre=
>
</blockquote>
Such a mechanism already exists for GDM and SLiM, see later (though
it doesn't create ~/.xessionrc, it's more stateless, and it is
independent of Guix Home). I don't see why Guix Home should handle
things, it doesn't seem to have anything to handle (unless you go
for the alternative, more stateful, solution you are proposing?).<br>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:87czdxl2o7.fsf@HIDDEN">
<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">
from some display managers will automatically source it, but on the
other hand maybe adjusting system services for other DMs, which doesn't
work "out of the box" yet is a way to go. I don't have much experience
with X11, and don't see a whole picture, so it's hard to tell which
option is better.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>I think I've found a solution that works for Guix System,
independent of Guix Home (doesn't depend on Guix Home and doesn't
interfere with Guix Home and doesn't require Guix System and Guix
Home to interact), as written in another response (thread is
getting a bit long!):</p>
<p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color: #007cff;">retitle 56661=
SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login',
unlike other login managers
<br>
thanks
<br>
<br>
A digged a little, and found=C2=A0 that:
<br>
<br>
For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
<br>
<br>
There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that
generates a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession
that does a --login. This is used by
gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, <gdm-configuration> and
slim-shepherd-service.=C2=A0 However, nothing similar appears t=
o be
done for SDDM.=C2=A0 So it appears that the SDDM service needs =
to
be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for
them (see data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is
no option for overriding the xinitrc.=C2=A0 However, it is possib=
le
to override the Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a
modified Xsession script that uses Guix' xinitrc.
</blockquote>
</p>
<p>TBC: the 'xinitrc' that Guix generates does not override the
~/.xinitrc written by the user (if any) -- IIUC, the generated
wrapper looks for ~/.xinitrc and if it exists, it runs that, but
if it doesn't exist, it has a fallback. Also, TBC, it doesn't
create ~/.xsessionrc (unlike what you seem to be proposing), the
relevant code just tells the login manager to look at
/gnu/store/...-the-generated-xinitrc.</p>
<p>It seems to work for GDM and presumably also for SLiM, which has
similar code. As such, I would expect it to work without problems
for SDDM as well (please write SDDM in the subject line, the
original SLiM is incorrect, I actually used SDDM).<br>
</p>
<p>Greetings,<br>
Maxime</p>
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On 2022-07-22 12:44, Maxime Devos wrote:
> On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
>> retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell=20
>> --login', unlike other login managers
>> thanks
>>
>> A digged a little, and found=C2=A0 that:
>>
>> For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
>>
>> There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that generates=20
>> a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that does a=20
>> --login. This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper,=20
>> <gdm-configuration> and slim-shepherd-service.=C2=A0 However, nothing=20
>> similar appears to be done for SDDM.=C2=A0 So it appears that the SDDM=20
>> service needs to be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.
The idea looks good to me.
>
> It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for them
> (see data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is no
> option for overriding the xinitrc.=C2=A0 However, it is possible to
> override the Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a modified
> Xsession script that uses Guix' xinitrc. I'll give that a try.
Just a note: .xsessionrc is debian-specific IIRC
=2D-=20
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