Received: (at 56974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2022 12:51:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 07 08:51:38 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oKfkn-0004ur-Pk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:51:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1oKfkm-0004ud-1h for 56974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:51:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bhYsRCdWpA8Mrab9enbvLOYmDJgAgymaof8MRm4c7/8=; b=ebyIjJTxqmzxqSxpeykSogkhaq YQ8wWis22Sc/5RqBhnMld8p0hJESfI033XOA9SPi3v8DgHdwcPdQY9PjFvU6hgqDHU0xgNm8SNDvR nDm9LWxtiYsykR7jhqRCWI/WlOqVm0l9lb2GdLEB8uMi0czJvlaW9PFxYpaYBfnnitgE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1oKfkd-0006Zg-33; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:51:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56974: 29.0.50; Missing documentation for former subr-x macros In-Reply-To: <87fsi8re7l.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sun, 07 Aug 2022 04:15:42 +0200") References: <87o7x0jgz7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83les42lfd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a68jjbdn.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qtuc30u.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qtuno0u.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu6p5zts.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsi8re7l.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:51:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtcg2p4h.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Personally I don't care that much, both names are equally good (or bad). > I would make them synonymous. Although when-let and and-let are already > synonymous names... Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56974 Cc: 56974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Personally I don't care that much, both names are equally good (or bad). > I would make them synonymous. Although when-let and and-let are already > synonymous names... There may be code problems in making when-let* and when-let synonymous (for those that are using the outdated forms), so that's not easy to do. But since we shouldn't document the differences, they're identical in that way.
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> > +For the sake of backwards compatibility, it is possible to write a
> > +single binding without a binding list:
>
> I'm not sure we need to document this bit.
I don't think we should.
> > +@defmac if-let* (bindings@dots) then &rest else
> > +@code{if-let*} is mostly equivalent to @code{if-let}, with the
> > +exception that the legacy @code{(if (@var{var} (test)) foo bar)}
> > +syntax is not permitted.
> > +@end defmac
>
> So I think it's sufficient to document only the *-less variant.
Ehm - isn't the *-less form the old one we intended to obsolete (because
of it's backwards-compatibility hack), and the *-variant the one we
actually want to advertise?
Michael.
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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
> +During complex computations that might at any step, one can combine a
Missing a word or two here?
> +For the sake of backwards compatibility, it is possible to write a
> +single binding without a binding list:
I'm not sure we need to document this bit.
> +@defmac if-let* (bindings@dots) then &rest else
> +@code{if-let*} is mostly equivalent to @code{if-let}, with the
> +exception that the legacy @code{(if (@var{var} (test)) foo bar)}
> +syntax is not permitted.
> +@end defmac
So I think it's sufficient to document only the *-less variant.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 13:06:20 +0000
>>
>>
>> As far as I see, if-let, when-let, thread-first, ... were moved from
>> subr-x.el to subr.el last April (b05a103e). But there appears to be no
>> documentation in (I'd assume) lispref/controls.texi. My understanding
>> was that these macros were not documented in the Elisp manual as they
>> were just part of subr-x, as the comment in the subr-x header indicates
>>
>> ;; Do not document these functions in the lispref.
>> ;; https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg01006.html
>>
>> So should they be documented now?
>
> Yes, they should be.
How is this for a start:
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From 0d4c3f418d5dcdaa2f2f9c93b7e1fd103a310c62 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 11:18:29 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Document if-let*, if-let, when-let* and and-let*
* control.texi (Conditionals): Add if-let*, if-let, when-let*
(Combining Conditions): Add and-let*
---
doc/lispref/control.texi | 47 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 47 insertions(+)
diff --git a/doc/lispref/control.texi b/doc/lispref/control.texi
index d4520ebdee..e7fd1bb41a 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/control.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/control.texi
@@ -294,6 +294,46 @@ Conditionals
@end group
@end example
+During complex computations that might at any step, one can combine a
+@code{let}-block and some of the previous conditional control
+structures:
+
+@defmac if-let (bindings@dots) then &rest else@dots
+As with @code{let*}, @var{bindings} will consist of
+@code{(@var{symbol} @var{value-form})} entries that are evaluated and
+bound sequentially. If all @var{value-form} evaluate to
+non-@code{nil} values, then @var{then} is evaluated as were the case
+with a regular @code{let*} expression, with all the variables bound.
+If any @var{value-form} evaluates to @code{nil}, @var{else} is
+evaluated, without any bound variables.
+
+A binding may also optionally drop the @var{symbol}, and simplify to
+@code{(@var{value-form})} if only the test is of interest.
+
+For the sake of backwards compatibility, it is possible to write a
+single binding without a binding list:
+
+@example
+@group
+(if-let* (@var{symbol} (test)) foo bar)
+@equiv{}
+(if-let* ((@var{symbol} (test))) foo bar)
+@end group
+@end example
+@end defmac
+
+@defmac if-let* (bindings@dots) then &rest else
+@code{if-let*} is mostly equivalent to @code{if-let}, with the
+exception that the legacy @code{(if (@var{var} (test)) foo bar)}
+syntax is not permitted.
+@end defmac
+
+@defmac when-let (bindings@dots) &rest body
+As with @code{when}, if one is only interested in the case where all
+@var{bindings} are non-nil. Otherwise @var{bindings} are interpreted
+just as they are by @code{if-let*}.
+@end defmac
+
@node Combining Conditions
@section Constructs for Combining Conditions
@cindex combining conditions
@@ -428,6 +468,13 @@ Combining Conditions
Note that in contrast to @code{or}, both arguments are always evaluated.
@end defun
+@defmac and-let* (bindings@dots) &rest body
+A combination of @var{let*} and @var{and}, analogous to
+@code{when-let*}. If all @var{bindings} are non-@code{nil} and
+@var{body} is @code{nil}, then the result of the @code{and-let*} form
+will be the last value bound in @var{bindings}.
+@end defmac
+
@node Pattern-Matching Conditional
@section Pattern-Matching Conditional
@cindex pcase
--
2.37.1
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As far as I see, if-let, when-let, thread-first, ... were moved from
subr-x.el to subr.el last April (b05a103e). But there appears to be no
documentation in (I'd assume) lispref/controls.texi. My understanding
was that these macros were not documented in the Elisp manual as they
were just part of subr-x, as the comment in the subr-x header indicates
;; Do not document these functions in the lispref.
;; https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg01006.html
So should they be documented now?
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compile text-property-search comint ansi-color autoload loaddefs-gen
lisp-mnt magit-autoloads vertico-autoloads buffer-env-autoloads
geiser-chibi-autoloads consult-autoloads compat-autoloads crdt-autoloads
corfu-autoloads slime-autoloads geiser-impl help-fns radix-tree
help-mode geiser-custom geiser-base ring transient-autoloads info
tex-site package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand
url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file url-domsuf
url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio
eieio-core cl-macs password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp
byte-compile cconv url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip
eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
elisp-mode mwheel term/pgtk-win pgtk-win term/common-win pgtk-dnd
tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace
newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq
simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang
misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms
cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table
epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button
loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay
sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 1282480 178918)
(symbols 48 56238 14)
(strings 32 254489 16947)
(string-bytes 1 7300121)
(vectors 16 122508)
(vector-slots 8 3196813 139019)
(floats 8 871 930)
(intervals 56 72624 5479)
(buffers 992 150))
Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#56974; Package emacs.
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