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I've tested `texinfo-format-buffer' with several manuals from GNU/NonGNU
ELPA packages.
Only one file worked:
magit/docs/magit-section.texi
In all other cases I tried I got errors
bnf-mode/bnf-mode.texi
(error "@comma is not handled by texinfo")
magit/docs/magit.texi
(error "Unmatched @end example") ; false positive
org-roam/doc/org-roam.texi
(error "@LaTeX is not handled by texinfo")
slime/doc/slime.texi
(error "@codequoteundirected is not handled by texinfo")
swiper/doc/ivy.texi
(error "@indentedblock is not handled by texinfo")
use-package/use-package.texi
(error "Unmatched @end example") ; false positive
The fact that this command has been this broken for so long without
anyone complaining should give some indication of how much used it sees.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57108; Package emacs.
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Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes:
> It seems like it does nothing that makeinfo doesn't already do better,
> and maintaining it separately from the texinfo project seems like
> duplicate and wasted effort.
I found it instructive to run `M-x texinfo-format-buffer' in
"doc/misc/org.texi", then `C-x C-s' to save the file "org.info", and
then run the following command from the command line:
diff -u info/org.info doc/misc/org.info
This demonstrates that texinfmt.el would need *a lot* of work to produce
output that of the same high quality makeinfo. It leaves things out
from the output, can't handle some markup, mishandles quote characters,
etc., etc.
Just to give an idea:
diff -u info/org.info doc/misc/org.info | wc -l
=> 44325
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