Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 11:31:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 26 07:31:51 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52474 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRXZ0-0003r1-Sa for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:31:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oRXYz-0003qp-Us for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41060) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oRXYu-0000Vf-Hv; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:31:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=TD7rnJXT8LQgqOlKMQGahVizsMcBihHWLbl9WvKi2f4=; b=ZTBkyKqlXQAv 9tHndAv2maoWTnka9skBXalD2N9NG8QkNtbWfTwcNDJaeBanO8aalCqaH1hopKi6ww2+T6rFR53g2 bziLmL/au30kIppnDKXfgmGdE3XovQeDThx5vSO8pr39QnkSqEGUNPDPr6TYbKFT3/Gh8Q/Ki1oG9 JsZAt/yCqlVy5r6ZePVeb+7uHEyG9Z51C+RXhiVsRi897Z76wshn+oCBAYjat66kIpv7i+vo/o3BR aV/bojCI1A+9HWj8umXRxyChmQOdQeYDmrqxyXhGebJcebdjN6q4hRI7iUzUurFU1TtzcJ57dSJDk 3f9LxabUUMoVy9UakXKHRg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4805 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oRXYs-0005tW-Io; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:31:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:31:54 +0300 Message-Id: <83pmgn1brp.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87czcns16b.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:18:36 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h720b0r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edx42kyj.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jxzbhf7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnav1edw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h71zs2a1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1131d89.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcns16b.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:18:36 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > That depends on the implementation: if the no-toolkit menu > > implementation intercepts the clicks before they get to Emacs, "C-h c" > > will not work for the individual clicks, only for a complete selection > > from the menu. > > Clicks on the menu bar aren't intercepted at all. Instead, some code in > keyboard.c (not exactly sure where) will call menu_show_hook (through > read_char_x_menu_prompt) with the contents of the submenu that was > clicked if nothing was bound, AFAIR. That's what I call "intercepted".
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 515a2975fa20c7c64a29c0a3db2968a0; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:18:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h720b0r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edx42kyj.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jxzbhf7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnav1edw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h71zs2a1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1131d89.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:18:36 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83r1131d89.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:00:22 +0300") Message-ID: <87czcns16b.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 510 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > That depends on the implementation: if the no-toolkit menu > implementation intercepts the clicks before they get to Emacs, "C-h c" > will not work for the individual clicks, only for a complete selection > from the menu. Clicks on the menu bar aren't intercepted at all. Instead, some code in keyboard.c (not exactly sure where) will call menu_show_hook (through read_char_x_menu_prompt) with the contents of the submenu that was clicked if nothing was bound, AFAIR.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a068469e9a114c2bcfff5f45a2e76452; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:54:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h720b0r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edx42kyj.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jxzbhf7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnav1edw.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:54:46 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83wnav1edw.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:35:23 +0300") Message-ID: <87h71zs2a1.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 178 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > If the clicks are intercepted before they get to Emacs, you cannot use > describe-key with them. It should work on the no toolkit build.
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Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font
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Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes:
> no-toolkit Emacs is not supposed to use a widget toolkit as far as I
> understand it. I was hoping that there would not be an alien library
> with all the negatives of alien widget toolkit, or in this case even
> worse (XMenu does not respect my desktop font settings, font
> configuration is inconvenient, it looks bad and is unreadable by
> default).
"No toolkit" simply means Emacs doesn't use the X toolkit or GTK.
("X toolkit" has a very strict definition: any toolkit based upon the X
toolkit intrinsics.)
Since the oldXMenu library is not based on the toolkit intrinsics, it's
not an X toolkit.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 07:19:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 26 03:19:45 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51904 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRTd2-00056T-TX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 03:19:45 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:40076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRTd1-00056L-Da for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 03:19:43 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7C3C11A1851; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:19:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83edx42kyj.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h720b0r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edx42kyj.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:19:40 +0200 Message-ID: <874jxzbhf7.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu 25 Aug 2022 at 22:15, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > It's [f10], lower-case. That works, thank you! Is there a way to show tmm-menubar also after clicking on the menubar? I still get the alien XMenu. Is there a way to discover what function handles a click in a similar way there is describe-key? (describe-key seems to work with clicks except on the menubar.) Is it an intention or a bug that tmm-menubar does not show checkboxes, unlike other menu implementations?
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 07:14:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 26 03:14:02 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRTXV-0004wo-L7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 03:14:01 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:39804) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRTXT-0004wQ-Kt for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 03:14:00 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 73BBA1A1851; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:13:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83ilmg2llb.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d2w4yfb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06wb2vc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilmg2llb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:13:55 +0200 Message-ID: <877d2vbhos.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu 25 Aug 2022 at 22:02, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> Frequency is not that relevant. Convenience is relevant. It should >> happen after key press. > > This is an exaggeration, and as such, not useful. It is unreasonable > to expect everything be done at a keypress. Infrequent operations can > be less convenient than frequent ones, because that inconvenience > basically happens once in a blue moon. It happens as frequently or as rarely as the user chooses to press the relevant key. In other words, it is under control of the user, not somebody else. >> It is not something I invented, it is important use-case and pretty >> much essential part of GUI programs these days. Try for example C-+ >> and C-- in firefox or xfce4-terminal. > > When I do that in Firefox, the displayed text is resized, but not the > menus or the tool bar. True. I gave the example because it seed to me you did not understand why would somebody want to press C-+ or C-- to resize font instead of changing a configuration and restarting. Now I see that you mean specifically the Firefox menu. Well, the Firefox menu uses a widget toolkit. no-toolkit Emacs is not supposed to use a widget toolkit as far as I understand it. I was hoping that there would not be an alien library with all the negatives of alien widget toolkit, or in this case even worse (XMenu does not respect my desktop font settings, font configuration is inconvenient, it looks bad and is unreadable by default). >> > I guess I don't understand why one would need to change the size >> > frequently, especially the size of the menu items, which basically >> > stay unchanged. >> >> We already discussed several issues with the X resources based text: >> >> - The font configuration is alien to emacs with many issues and downsides. >> - It is not possible to change it dynamically. > > That's nowhere near a catastrophe for such an infrequent setting. Dismissing the use-case is one way to solve this. What I would like to have is kind of similar behaviour as tty emacs on xfce4-terminal except with additional benefits of graphics capabilities built into the GUI Emacs. I like the way Emacs buffers work and that they have dynamically customizable faces. I do not like alien widget toolkits getting in the way.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 06:54:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 26 02:54:19 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRTEQ-0004Rk-Qp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 02:54:19 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:38924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRTEO-0004RV-Ll for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 02:54:17 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3884C1A184F; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 08:54:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <87lerbu7up.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmgpipxu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r115w2ll.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcob08y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lerbu7up.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 08:54:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87a67rbilm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri 26 Aug 2022 at 09:11, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> wrote: > Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I am looking for something which: >> - is customizable the Emacs way > > I guess a good recommendation would be to lower your expectations, since > no toolkit provides face customization in as detailed a fashion as > Emacs. Yes, I am doing exactly that: lowering my expectations. The first word of this bug report is no-toolkit after all. >> It looks like tmm-menubar is the only existing menu implementation which >> satisfies my requirements and is probably the only reasonable way >> forward. > > tmm-menubar doesn't even pop up menus. How can it be the only > reasonable way forward? It does not pop up menus in the alien widget toolkit sense. It does pop up menus in the emacs sense, i.e. the *Completions* buffer pops up. (After lowering my expectations, this is good enough.) Maybe there is a more precise terminology to distinguish the two cases? >> I think I need to first find a way to configure my emacs so that all >> those X resource based menus are replaced with tmm-menubar. > > X resource based menus? I think you called it XMenu.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3ca01ca415c2063a9f6ff8d01eaca214; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 01:13:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d2w4yfb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06wb2vc.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:13:22 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87k06wb2vc.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:21:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87h71zu7rh.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 794 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > Frequency is not that relevant. Convenience is relevant. It should > happen after key press. Not after changing configuration and restarting > Emacs. I thought I explained that well enough already. It is not > something I invented, it is important use-case and pretty much essential > part of GUI programs these days. Try for example C-+ and C-- in firefox > or xfce4-terminal. Neither of which result in the menu font being resided, not in xfce4-terminal or in Firefox. > - The font configuration is alien to emacs with many issues and downsides. There is no toolkit that uses the same font configuration we do, since we wrote our own font display code. > - It is not possible to change it dynamically. It is on the Lucid and Motif builds.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2d1daa1c009d40f4875114f3652183e8; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 01:11:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmgpipxu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r115w2ll.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcob08y.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:11:26 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87czcob08y.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:18:21 +0200") Message-ID: <87lerbu7up.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 660 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > I am looking for something which: > - is customizable the Emacs way I guess a good recommendation would be to lower your expectations, since no toolkit provides face customization in as detailed a fashion as Emacs. > It looks like tmm-menubar is the only existing menu implementation which > satisfies my requirements and is probably the only reasonable way > forward. tmm-menubar doesn't even pop up menus. How can it be the only reasonable way forward? > I think I need to first find a way to configure my emacs so that all > those X resource based menus are replaced with tmm-menubar. X resource based menus?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2022 19:18:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 25 15:18:28 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRIN1-0001GO-Mj for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:18:27 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:42508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRIN0-0001GF-0w for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:18:26 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 66F3F1A1825; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:18:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <87r115w2ll.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmgpipxu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r115w2ll.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87czcob08y.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu 25 Aug 2022 at 09:09, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> wrote: > Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Maybe this could be a good opportunity to get rid of that library? > > What would the replacement be? I am looking for something which: - is customizable the Emacs way - is possible to change dynamically It looks like tmm-menubar is the only existing menu implementation which satisfies my requirements and is probably the only reasonable way forward. I think I need to first find a way to configure my emacs so that all those X resource based menus are replaced with tmm-menubar. After that, that library will not affect me anymore and can stay there in case somebody happens to like it.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2022 19:07:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 25 15:07:30 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51310 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRICP-0000z5-NU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:07:30 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:42168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRICN-0000yv-Vg for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:07:28 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 253801A1823; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:07:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87h720b0r6.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu 25 Aug 2022 at 09:51, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > If you need to use the File menu, you shouldn't be bothered about the > Edit menu. If I want to use the Edit menu, it disappears half way through getting to it. > If you have a mouse that works on the TTY frames (either GPM or > xterm-mouse mode), you can click directly at Edit and open the Edit > menu instead of (the default) File menu. Otherwise, use the arrow > keys or C-f/C-b to move between the top-level menus. The problem is not with mouse or keyboard. The problem is with how the selected menu-bar item is presented. Anyway, it seems to me that all the existing menu implementations are dead end for what I want to achieve, except tmm-menubar. >> Is there a reason, why is tmm-menubar restricted to tty? > > It isn't. It's only the F10 binding that works differently on TTY > frames, for reasons of backward compatibility (before TTY menus were > available). On GUI frames, you need to invoke tmm-menubar by name > instead. (You can, of course, bind F10 to tmm-menubar globally, if > that's what you want.) I tried binding tmm-menubar to F10 but that does not work: $ emacs -q \ --eval "(global-set-key [F10] 'tmm-menubar)" \ --eval '(describe-key [F10])' This shows that tmm-menubar is bound to <F10> and M-`. Pressing M-` opens tmm-menubar which is correct. But pressing F10 pops up the X resources based menu which is wrong. It seems that something in Emacs does not respect my F10 key binding. >> It would be nicer, if the cond in menu-bar-open was replaced >> with run-hook-with-args-until-success and a customizable >> open-menu-bar-functions variable. > > That's a lot of complexity for very little gain. Binding F10 globally > is much easier. Agree that it would be much easier, if it worked. > And, given the fact that almost no one uses tmm-menubar on GUI frames, > I don't see the justification for the added complexity. It seems to me that tmm-menubar is the only menu implementation which respects faces and does not depend on anything alien which means I can customize it the usual Emacs way and change it dynamically. That is a huge plus and looks like the way to go for what I want to achieve. Thanks again for the pointer. It looks quite nice with this customisation: (setq tmm-mid-prompt " ") (setq tmm-completion-prompt nil) However, if I click on the menu-bar I still get the X resource based menu instead of tmm-menubar. What do I need to do to get tmm-menubar after clicking on the menubar (not only after pressing F10 or M-`)? I tried to discover, what gets called in such case. Unfortunatelly, C-h k (describe-key) does not work in that case. How can one discover, what code handles particular click? Unlike other implementations, it seems that tmm-menubar does not show checkboxes.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2022 18:21:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 25 14:21:51 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51245 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRHUF-00084o-9Y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:21:51 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:39952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oRHUA-00084c-3C for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:21:50 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D96871A1821; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:21:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <837d2w4yfb.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d2w4yfb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:21:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87k06wb2vc.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu 25 Aug 2022 at 09:42, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> This font size change happens on demand, when a key is pressed. > > Do you really need to do this frequently? If so, why is that? why not > set the size that is convenient for you, and more or less forget about > it? Frequency is not that relevant. Convenience is relevant. It should happen after key press. Not after changing configuration and restarting Emacs. I thought I explained that well enough already. It is not something I invented, it is important use-case and pretty much essential part of GUI programs these days. Try for example C-+ and C-- in firefox or xfce4-terminal. > I guess I don't understand why one would need to change the size > frequently, especially the size of the menu items, which basically > stay unchanged. We already discussed several issues with the X resources based text: - The font configuration is alien to emacs with many issues and downsides. - It is not possible to change it dynamically.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2022 06:51:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 25 02:51:07 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oR6hn-0007hJ-4H for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:51:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6hk-0007gq-TE for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:51:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6hf-0001SL-Gc; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:50:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9Qw5Lw556gHE7RVKPrNbKTrdV8qtIzaYO0iuH0Afmd0=; b=kQSCq+tv+MUV WtHtdwH6TdhQ1c7JLBygzVY8s5YhEdJ5dbJaRJeyXFxUajw+Q4XpA1+5yvT7fl7QSpDJzkJHo1Cul 3sXUZDqwHbNtyHab4U/IBl1rYKVnJT8urzkaRddm8kAicIdXXDG8GHVepNdsNgmaiYatFKDT1jLU5 Lk4luxywXTGqNWl7Rv5HSUR02wmmsX/r2yTBZRY9cX+tl8jTmZZOXZSaRUt9CDT0tFgsSn3R8G4qh 7WiFdAWpjZKkoaX1+22e2MKxXr4iGRjb6uXmhdrWcmUkjkwPVig/UaqUsX+F+tNipL/JJ79IIYnqM Q/tvWclhBWZ67v8l3+m7rA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4984 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6he-0005YB-MS; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:50:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:51:08 +0300 Message-Id: <835yig4y03.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Thu, 25 Aug 2022 00:59:22 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftgsdx.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 00:59:22 +0200 > > >> Strange design. Say I want to open the Edit menu. I press F10 and > >> suddenly I cannot see the Edit menu anymore. > > > > ??? The drop-down menu also hides part of the window's text, doesn't > > it? More generally, _something_ has to be hidden, because this is a > > text-mode terminal: the menu cannot move outside of the frame, where > > it wouldn't overlap any of the windows. > > That is not the issue. > Why does the Edit menu dissappear? Because the File menu has certain width requirements, and because the screen estate is at premium. > Say the menu-bar looks like this: > File Edit Options > Press F10 and it looks like this: > File > t Options > Where is my Edit menu? > What should I do now? If you need to use the File menu, you shouldn't be bothered about the Edit menu. If you want to use the Edit menu, press C-f or the <RIGHT> arrow key, and Emacs will close the File menu and open the Edit menu instead. > > So why is it important that the Edit menu is hidden, but not that the > > whole text below the File menu is suddenly unreadable. > > Because when I want to open the Edit menu, my attention is on the Edit > menu and not on some other stuff somewhere else. After pressing F10, > the Edit menu I saw earlier disappears. I expect to see the Edit menu > the whole time I am trying to navigate to it. If you have a mouse that works on the TTY frames (either GPM or xterm-mouse mode), you can click directly at Edit and open the Edit menu instead of (the default) File menu. Otherwise, use the arrow keys or C-f/C-b to move between the top-level menus. > Is there a reason, why is tmm-menubar restricted to tty? It isn't. It's only the F10 binding that works differently on TTY frames, for reasons of backward compatibility (before TTY menus were available). On GUI frames, you need to invoke tmm-menubar by name instead. (You can, of course, bind F10 to tmm-menubar globally, if that's what you want.) > It would be nicer, if the cond in menu-bar-open was replaced > with run-hook-with-args-until-success and a customizable > open-menu-bar-functions variable. That's a lot of complexity for very little gain. Binding F10 globally is much easier. And, given the fact that almost no one uses tmm-menubar on GUI frames, I don't see the justification for the added complexity.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2022 06:42:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 25 02:42:03 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48681 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oR6Z1-0007Qr-0x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:42:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39216) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6Yv-0007QK-VD for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:42:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6Yq-0008R4-45; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:41:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jLuVIw522ahpmsuyk0y4E7lwKE5lCkD5EVwYKFlAvmU=; b=c6Zl+BPWi5MQ QgMgb+2sPNy9zIITWIHjUUHQ6oxoqoQDHa2X+F8190a7H5Xd0q8E2UkETUPvvk0TVZ7yTaEES5rMp xLiYpM9z+s+COC+IVoB3OXNhTk4h9GJkOUPhqBDCc/O67dcXMmqofH+Zj8GlfYbU6dsi71ljUTuQj 2dvaqiBXfeZ00kg/j1UpqAsmbc84g21IFD1LEu/ApMACBz2O+vfiG3r1pa19H+mDkYDLyxFZsdu4I sQxFUV8qM+NWp6IHgBHUU17QOXZMkSZWqavyzXt/wXgd7pFsfQnlItxVIIRfzsvhEZKFvyFqjvtjU 9BlFFl42Pi9YzFvE52irZA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4427 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oR6Yo-0004mx-4H; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 02:41:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:42:00 +0300 Message-Id: <837d2w4yfb.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:57:44 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:57:44 +0200 > > > Of course, X doesn't necessarily understand the Emacs units of > > measuring fonts, for example the relative units. So eventually you'll > > need separate customizations. However, I don't expect you to have to > > change these customizations too frequently. > > The point of C-+ and C-- bindings is that I can just press a key and > grow or shrink the font. That is essential for me. My gui terminal can > do that out of the box, my console can do that with a bit of elisp > calling setfont, firefox can do that out of the box, and gui Emacs can > do that using the code I showed earlier; except the menu text we are > discussing. > > This font size change happens on demand, when a key is pressed. Do you really need to do this frequently? If so, why is that? why not set the size that is convenient for you, and more or less forget about it? I guess I don't understand why one would need to change the size frequently, especially the size of the menu items, which basically stay unchanged. > Then there seems to be the issue you said that Emacs and X has different > idea of describing fonts/units. > > It is just complex and inconvenient. But you should only need to do this once, or very infrequently. So how is this such a grave problem? > > More generally, I don't see a way around the fact that different parts > > of the system need to be customized differently. > > Why? Because they are different subsystems developed by different agencies with different goals in mind. > > Many programs have > > their own init files, and some even have more than one: for example, > > Bash, GDB, and any other program that uses Readline will typically > > have customizations in ~/.inputrc, in addition to the program-specific > > init file, such as ~/.gdbinit for GDB. > > This is not only about init files. > > This is about making it not to have more init files, because unlike > customizing and changing faces, customizing a different system out of > Emacs is complex, fragile, inconvenient and might be impossible (is it > possible to change the menu text X resource on key press?). I find it neither complex nor fragile: just edit a file, and that's it. If it's something you don't need to do frequently (as I think what should happen with font sizes), it's a fire-and-forget thing.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 80d3811494de94cca6632d40fd6e0b1a; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:40:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:57:44 +0200") References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:40:08 +0800 Message-ID: <87sfllummf.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1665 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > The point of C-+ and C-- bindings is that I can just press a key and > grow or shrink the font. That is essential for me. My gui terminal can > do that out of the box, my console can do that with a bit of elisp > calling setfont, firefox can do that out of the box, and gui Emacs can > do that using the code I showed earlier; except the menu text we are > discussing. > > This font size change happens on demand, when a key is pressed. > > I guess writing to the ~/.Xresources file would work only on startup. > > Then there seems to be the issue you said that Emacs and X has different > idea of describing fonts/units. > > It is just complex and inconvenient. That's what happens if you use libraries for menus, since they obviously know nothing about what faces are. >> More generally, I don't see a way around the fact that different parts >> of the system need to be customized differently. > > Why? > > At the moment, it is the consequence of the way the no-toolkit menu is > implemented. > > But surely it could be possible to change it to customize no-toolkit > menu text the same way as any other face. Possible, but very difficult. It's easier to do that on Motif and Lucid, but that is still not reliable, since different font subsystems are being used. > This is about making it not to have more init files, because unlike > customizing and changing faces, customizing a different system out of > Emacs is complex, fragile, inconvenient and might be impossible (is it > possible to change the menu text X resource on key press?). No, Emacs only loads the X resource database on display initialization.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b553c5e12d9dc778ec5aef77207271a0; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:29:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:28:58 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:33:37 +0300") Message-ID: <87y1vdun51.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 763 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Make the function write to the ~/.Xresources file? FTR, you have to install the resources onto the root window as well: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources > Of course, X doesn't necessarily understand the Emacs units of > measuring fonts, for example the relative units. So eventually you'll > need separate customizations. However, I don't expect you to have to > change these customizations too frequently. Yes. The X core fonts used by the XMenu library aren't scalable, so there is no way to tell it a desired height. You should probably pick from the fonts in x-fixed-font-alist (6x10 is a fixed font where glyphs are 6 pixels wide and 10 pixels tall, 8x13 has glyphs that are 8 pixels wide and 13 pixels tall, etc.)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 63983cf9f5656dd36cd2812ddb37f5c1; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:26:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:26:42 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:20 +0200") Message-ID: <8735dlw1t9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 568 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > I suppose it is possible, but complex and inconvenient. > Why do I need to do that in the first place? Because that is how the old XMenu library, and most other X programs, work. > In my example, I had a function like this: > > (defun set-text-height (new-height) > (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height new-height)) > > How could I achieve what you suggest so that setting the font height > would also apply to menu item X resource font? X core fonts are not scalable, so they do not support having their height set.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6e0de1fe9266780d492010f826944b8b; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:25:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:25:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:49:23 +0200") Message-ID: <877d2xw1vb.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 740 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > I find the alien X resource fonts the ugliest, unreadable and very > inconvenient because the font size is completely wrong and inconvenient > to control. Isn't that a misnomer? Those are not "X resource fonts", those are core X fonts, the legacy X font subsystem. > I do not care much for whatever ugly look the popped up menus have as > long as they respect faces. It is just a few lines of text so surely > that cannot be that ugly if the font fits with the chosen emacs face and > not some alien X resource or toolkit/desktop font specific configuration > which is completely out of sync from my emacs face configuration. Well, that will be very difficult to do ith most toolkits as well.
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What would the replacement be?
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fcab93d88497eaf0d4f6cf0610655b24; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:09:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7w9ydvj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h7216aeh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndyd4a.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bks967pt.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:08:58 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83bks967pt.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:23:42 +0300") Message-ID: <87v8qhw2mt.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 186 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > How many tooltips do you see in a production session of Emacs? Not many, but still nobody has complained about the special-ness of their frames.
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On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 22:28, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> >> TTY menus seem fine except the extra > in menu-bar overlaps the next
>> >> menu-bar item text.
>> >
>> > That's by design, btw.
>>
>> Strange design. Say I want to open the Edit menu. I press F10 and
>> suddenly I cannot see the Edit menu anymore.
>
> ??? The drop-down menu also hides part of the window's text, doesn't
> it? More generally, _something_ has to be hidden, because this is a
> text-mode terminal: the menu cannot move outside of the frame, where
> it wouldn't overlap any of the windows.
That is not the issue.
Why does the Edit menu dissappear?
Because there are three extra charactes drawn over it.
Say the menu-bar looks like this:
File Edit Options
Press F10 and it looks like this:
File > t Options
Where is my Edit menu?
What should I do now?
> So why is it important that the Edit menu is hidden, but not that the
> whole text below the File menu is suddenly unreadable.
Because when I want to open the Edit menu, my attention is on the Edit
menu and not on some other stuff somewhere else. After pressing F10,
the Edit menu I saw earlier disappears. I expect to see the Edit menu
the whole time I am trying to navigate to it.
>> What about doing it differently? For no-toolkit Emacs, it would be
>> enough for me if the menu simply opened a *Menu* buffer with the
>> relevant menu items. All those issues would suddenly disappear.
>
> That already exists: use tmm-menubar.
Thank you for the pointer.
It looks like the thing that pops up on F10 when menu-bar-mode is nil.
iirc I haven't used it because I found it unuseable
but a solution like that could probably work for me.
I'll have to try it a bit more.
Is there a reason, why is tmm-menubar restricted to tty?
The choice seems hardcoded in menu-bar-open.
I had to do this:
(defun x-menu-bar-open (frame)
(with-selected-frame (or frame (selected-frame))
(tmm-menubar)))
in order to use tmm-menubar on no-toolkit Emacs.
It would be nicer, if the cond in menu-bar-open was replaced
with run-hook-with-args-until-success and a customizable
open-menu-bar-functions variable.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 21:57:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 17:57:51 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48362 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQyNi-00024W-O2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:57:51 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:51296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQyNg-00024O-S6 for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:57:49 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 35C741A17CB; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:57:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:57:44 +0200 Message-ID: <8735dli9t3.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 22:33, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> (defun set-text-height (new-height) >> (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height new-height)) >> >> How could I achieve what you suggest so that setting the font height >> would also apply to menu item X resource font? > > Make the function write to the ~/.Xresources file? > > Of course, X doesn't necessarily understand the Emacs units of > measuring fonts, for example the relative units. So eventually you'll > need separate customizations. However, I don't expect you to have to > change these customizations too frequently. The point of C-+ and C-- bindings is that I can just press a key and grow or shrink the font. That is essential for me. My gui terminal can do that out of the box, my console can do that with a bit of elisp calling setfont, firefox can do that out of the box, and gui Emacs can do that using the code I showed earlier; except the menu text we are discussing. This font size change happens on demand, when a key is pressed. I guess writing to the ~/.Xresources file would work only on startup. Then there seems to be the issue you said that Emacs and X has different idea of describing fonts/units. It is just complex and inconvenient. > More generally, I don't see a way around the fact that different parts > of the system need to be customized differently. Why? At the moment, it is the consequence of the way the no-toolkit menu is implemented. But surely it could be possible to change it to customize no-toolkit menu text the same way as any other face. > Many programs have > their own init files, and some even have more than one: for example, > Bash, GDB, and any other program that uses Readline will typically > have customizations in ~/.inputrc, in addition to the program-specific > init file, such as ~/.gdbinit for GDB. This is not only about init files. This is about making it not to have more init files, because unlike customizing and changing faces, customizing a different system out of Emacs is complex, fragile, inconvenient and might be impossible (is it possible to change the menu text X resource on key press?).
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 19:36:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 15:36:06 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48282 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQwAY-00070Y-Dv for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:36:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQwAW-0006zx-Cx for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:36:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQwAR-0006jh-3n; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:35:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8YK37zDOTRyfRNXKoWxsDd2cZupGu5bTazOPLl/n1vs=; b=Mf5pvlYQfC9L /sDFLZDaCjq8Y+DvKlB4vKtKBUotnnChoxw0y6N3BwJeEPM0KyTQ3FF23pwXLVASdqAHb9p1Ft5y3 oeFFajHuYRqp/9CPf2aJXlorgwjrgkZv4FquXsXLL0b9FdYjspnz8zrlc4Ff3rl+jqJ/3XrCHXl9p vG62IaLNMMsk06CU/msvNE6IVTvBFumVHd0Fau0BDOJzjMZ9oBD4zrv6W8GT9OKChMalp4prjPYXw 1rJt+TXzsASXM/154BtVaGsOEEK2Km/crz2wJz0UXTNXPNO1k2GKbwEtD+fxnhEbFLSUSTZcPfDAp mRvM0R00K+BwTjDDGykulg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3450 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQwAQ-00085M-Ie; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:35:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:36:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1154eon.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87bks9ihpm.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:07:01 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7w9ydvj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h7216aeh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndyd4a.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bks967pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bks9ihpm.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:07:01 +0200 > > On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 17:23, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> They are also implemented as a special kind of override-redirect frame, > >> and I don't see people complaining. > > > > How many tooltips do you see in a production session of Emacs? > > For example tool-bar has fancy icons but no text. I have no idea what > those icons mean so I have to wait for the tooltips to show up. That is very strange for me to hear. Most GUI programs I deal with every day don't have any text to go with their tool bars. > They are essential for tool-bar because somehow including text in > tool-bar stopped being a thing a few years ago? Or is it possible? I believe the GTK tool bar shows text near the icons. To my opinion, that is a waste of space, but I guess to everyone their own.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 19:33:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 15:33:35 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQw87-0006wJ-EF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:33:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw85-0006w6-Jg for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:33:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw80-0006FY-4O; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:33:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4YQLJUOeprl1sR1c/EutgfvwcujakeVMY33EFGDuvkw=; b=k+3ml1CpBYCJ JbbnBFH1vWQB4nK2oBjfHaX1VJkMwZxGfUG0yUWKOS6Vui51hO7wF88Mumj0U4UgAzLFVuDjViyAv 3zUPzZY2O8786/m40aZWvv7WnfrMW83c8E8Dy3LPFIYzonTPoeIMKqgRN1mEUvDNxLBvrrmxei4E+ Zu3gZyBnTGifqeAzle2XoywPvMS4ce70MceUIsq5+A0WDc7rIbmr5gHn/U03XCklIbjoCYC8KYR++ 4eRZbnYSBi1ERW4cATUbHSdR+KB1/2hl8KVph22PvqeaFq19wBPQkij4moEECBrHR6CtoSiMRNPYh vFmZnjIw7DrpiP0GXAiX+Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3298 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw7z-0007sL-E6; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:33:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:33:37 +0300 Message-Id: <83sfll4esu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:20 +0200 > > On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 20:59, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> I find the alien X resource fonts the ugliest, unreadable and very > >> inconvenient because the font size is completely wrong and inconvenient > >> to control. > > > > But you can customize that via the X resources, can't you? Just tell > > the menus to use the same font Emacs uses for its default face. > > I suppose it is possible, but complex and inconvenient. > Why do I need to do that in the first place? > > In my example, I had a function like this: > > (defun set-text-height (new-height) > (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height new-height)) > > How could I achieve what you suggest so that setting the font height > would also apply to menu item X resource font? Make the function write to the ~/.Xresources file? Of course, X doesn't necessarily understand the Emacs units of measuring fonts, for example the relative units. So eventually you'll need separate customizations. However, I don't expect you to have to change these customizations too frequently. More generally, I don't see a way around the fact that different parts of the system need to be customized differently. Many programs have their own init files, and some even have more than one: for example, Bash, GDB, and any other program that uses Readline will typically have customizations in ~/.inputrc, in addition to the program-specific init file, such as ~/.gdbinit for GDB.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 19:28:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 15:28:37 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQw3H-0006n9-GJ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:28:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw33-0006mj-55 for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:28:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw2x-0005B5-T6; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:28:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=sLHhVTtnmJH5w0z/B2+DMi7HNT0T+L0YQwTchZIB1Z4=; b=VCVglHdb+NbY deYHZnr2hdVsz7m29ZCviMJjEcW2uQdO8veKStD9uq3wGp4AD+J9kCda2xPr597gOZbNzUWFvhQ98 B2OSVoHNLZ8gCJdTi2Bur6W+M44bN6K0ncYvyQui7a9gKnOrR5ftzCyuJiTTEcoacF+mWbeGknazv QE0HqX/EvM4BIFcZ8fQ10cD+09CRxM4hU8+uXGl1I6A0aeEtI7EC99XF/TRBh0Oen5vGLZUmU+XmO hIVFxtIR30oFGbADmPgTn5Szi/5vAAtKuq7FOcmKmqgENK9wuzmf78w2NhtBntC0sBgI5dm90v/a0 HTnTVi22+sjW4cVc5lC10g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2978 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQw2x-00058f-5h; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:28:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:28:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83tu614f1k.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:54:24 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:54:24 +0200 > > On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 19:32, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> TTY menus seem fine except the extra > in menu-bar overlaps the next > >> menu-bar item text. > > > > That's by design, btw. > > Strange design. Say I want to open the Edit menu. I press F10 and > suddenly I cannot see the Edit menu anymore. ??? The drop-down menu also hides part of the window's text, doesn't it? More generally, _something_ has to be hidden, because this is a text-mode terminal: the menu cannot move outside of the frame, where it wouldn't overlap any of the windows. So why is it important that the Edit menu is hidden, but not that the whole text below the File menu is suddenly unreadable. > What about doing it differently? For no-toolkit Emacs, it would be > enough for me if the menu simply opened a *Menu* buffer with the > relevant menu items. All those issues would suddenly disappear. That already exists: use tmm-menubar.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 19:07:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 15:07:06 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQviT-0006Ga-Pr for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:07:05 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:45610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQviS-0006GS-C3 for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:07:04 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A6E471A17C2; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:07:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83bks967pt.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7w9ydvj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h7216aeh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndyd4a.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bks967pt.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:07:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87bks9ihpm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 17:23, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> They are also implemented as a special kind of override-redirect frame, >> and I don't see people complaining. > > How many tooltips do you see in a production session of Emacs? For example tool-bar has fancy icons but no text. I have no idea what those icons mean so I have to wait for the tooltips to show up. They are essential for tool-bar because somehow including text in tool-bar stopped being a thing a few years ago? Or is it possible?
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 19:01:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 15:01:26 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48231 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQvd0-00067t-Bx for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:01:26 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:45486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQvcy-00067l-6a for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:01:24 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E8BF21A17C2; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87edx5ihz3.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 20:59, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> I find the alien X resource fonts the ugliest, unreadable and very >> inconvenient because the font size is completely wrong and inconvenient >> to control. > > But you can customize that via the X resources, can't you? Just tell > the menus to use the same font Emacs uses for its default face. I suppose it is possible, but complex and inconvenient. Why do I need to do that in the first place? In my example, I had a function like this: (defun set-text-height (new-height) (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height new-height)) How could I achieve what you suggest so that setting the font height would also apply to menu item X resource font?
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 18:54:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 14:54:29 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48227 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQvWH-0005wE-Ga for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:54:29 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:45320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQvWF-0005w6-ET for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:54:27 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6846C1A17C2; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:54:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:54:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87h721iian.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 19:32, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> TTY menus seem fine except the extra > in menu-bar overlaps the next >> menu-bar item text. > > That's by design, btw. Strange design. Say I want to open the Edit menu. I press F10 and suddenly I cannot see the Edit menu anymore. > The implementation is extremely tricky, and basically blocks any input > as long as the menu is dropped down. It works by overwriting portions > of the frame display's glyph matrices. There are also complications > with binding keys to menu commands and with calculating the > coordinates where we need to drop down the menu. [...] >> In principle, it would be enough for me if the no-toolkit menus >> worked similar to TTY menus but respected faces instead of alien X >> resources. > > TTY menus work, the tricky issues notwithstanding, because there's > only one font on TTY frames, and thus each line of the menu text > overwrites some part of exactly one line of the frame display. That > is not possible to achieve on GUI frames, because faces and fonts > differ. So the same technique as we use for TTY menus will not work > for GUI frame,s unfortunately, and if we try going that way in the X > no-toolkit build, the code will have to be much more complicated (if > it's at all feasible), and I think the result will be uglier. I see that there are a lot of complications. What about doing it differently? For no-toolkit Emacs, it would be enough for me if the menu simply opened a *Menu* buffer with the relevant menu items. All those issues would suddenly disappear.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 17:59:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 13:59:50 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48151 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQufO-0004Vh-0m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:59:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQufN-0004VS-3P for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:59:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47986) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQufH-0007qs-RH; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:59:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rJI2SFk2GNaaNKOrq+8uEtlyfzekBEwnAPjb1Ysuvwk=; b=V6VxcMTXsIg9 WZ45zOChwSlPwYpDCJ4PUbb1o5KLwmARzaZGL6OZjrh4WSp+uQYq7aegbKYLZ+SGWIH/rlqB9Hp3q TFtFWj2m4aB6nvbmROvOvunvEU3ZFFuSaD2oV84hZDKENk2X5oUFU5X+bzm/8fTK0r1f6Fk3vJylj t+LwGl9wOagVzq+jzvEqRJVwNixImiiTzz++uOxmCfqBsCCXFu8Q3To/4exkjXJTlTtKsQb+8QwMu Ee4crYGWQVg3lkcFQQlKqy9nc5kdCXM17ClGvGWB2iwIL8AB8vcFiz56caWwoUDOTQHm1niAOQ/lp 6DZO4yHksbv16DXhinUW1Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1281 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQufH-00088R-A4; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:59:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:59:50 +0300 Message-Id: <83y1vd4j55.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:49:23 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:49:23 +0200 > > On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 15:27, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Frames are a bad basis for menus: they (the frames) are too > > heavyweight for a menu, so the resulting menus will look ugly. > > I find the alien X resource fonts the ugliest, unreadable and very > inconvenient because the font size is completely wrong and inconvenient > to control. But you can customize that via the X resources, can't you? Just tell the menus to use the same font Emacs uses for its default face.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 17:49:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 13:49:29 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48143 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQuVN-0004Gt-6w for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:49:29 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:43058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQuVK-0004Gk-Pi for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:49:27 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 688B31A17BF; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:49:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87k06xilb0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 15:27, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > Frames are a bad basis for menus: they (the frames) are too > heavyweight for a menu, so the resulting menus will look ugly. I find the alien X resource fonts the ugliest, unreadable and very inconvenient because the font size is completely wrong and inconvenient to control. > If we want good-looking menus independent of any toolkit, we should > try to find a small library capable of producing them on popular GUI > platforms. I do not care much for whatever ugly look the popped up menus have as long as they respect faces. It is just a few lines of text so surely that cannot be that ugly if the font fits with the chosen emacs face and not some alien X resource or toolkit/desktop font specific configuration which is completely out of sync from my emacs face configuration.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 16:32:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 12:32:09 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQtIX-00029m-4c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:32:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41642) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQtIV-00029Y-6M for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:32:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQtIP-0001qZ-Gi; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:32:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PKWTjBCT0urBHE63ctQOasplo0eWabYVNvZTxA85laA=; b=E+x+1RTazdYj TFcuZX4giKj5L/pBgsXA0VROSSu1PP0u7JQTK3ZpZ9eBQCv0eR+1iK71JiOvPybPg1InxyCgXfJiC VrdrzkBT+FdxztB58TUexU+3oML4hoMeoEyPvZVK4iNFDCtap5nkHu2wzsWh85uWYaD5CGR0SeKLz EeHG4Y02mo/0EZR9Dqk/JQbzXli9yOwYu0Z2TR6pU1pF0KGxcJ5bhWqa+bOX5XHMMdifHJ7fV/WiE XPO5CItqg2A4cLxMLubVJVkYzRwZTOzKRCyoMqwReHGsJrL8beG0IuES4plYeFQLmWzLtbgbUVTS4 ux5vZ7xnSZg2l+0ud87haA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3860 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQtIM-00031B-I9; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:32:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:32:07 +0300 Message-Id: <834jy161rs.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:15:14 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> > Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:15:14 +0200 > > On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 14:23, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Displaying pop-down menus with our display engine is "tricky", as the > > TTY menus experience amply shows. > > What does the tty menus experience show? The implementation is extremely tricky, and basically blocks any input as long as the menu is dropped down. It works by overwriting portions of the frame display's glyph matrices. There are also complications with binding keys to menu commands and with calculating the coordinates where we need to drop down the menu. > TTY menus seem fine except the extra > in menu-bar overlaps the next > menu-bar item text. That's by design, btw. > In principle, it would be enough for me if the no-toolkit menus > worked similar to TTY menus but respected faces instead of alien X > resources. TTY menus work, the tricky issues notwithstanding, because there's only one font on TTY frames, and thus each line of the menu text overwrites some part of exactly one line of the frame display. That is not possible to achieve on GUI frames, because faces and fonts differ. So the same technique as we use for TTY menus will not work for GUI frame,s unfortunately, and if we try going that way in the X no-toolkit build, the code will have to be much more complicated (if it's at all feasible), and I think the result will be uglier.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 16:15:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 12:15:20 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47929 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQt2G-0001gP-Cg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:15:20 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:40264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQt2E-0001gG-Q4 for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:15:19 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7C4FD1A17B3; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:15:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:15:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtbtipnx.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 14:23, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > Displaying pop-down menus with our display engine is "tricky", as the > TTY menus experience amply shows. What does the tty menus experience show? TTY menus seem fine except the extra > in menu-bar overlaps the next menu-bar item text. In principle, it would be enough for me if the no-toolkit menus worked similar to TTY menus but respected faces instead of alien X resources.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#57372; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 16:09:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 12:09:23 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQswU-0001TE-Mj for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:09:22 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:38620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQswT-0001T4-0d for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:09:21 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 170E41A17B3; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:09:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:09:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmgpipxu.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 18:56, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> wrote: > The no toolkit menu is implemented with a copy of a library deleted from > the X11 distribution in X11R3, which was released during Oct 1988. The > library has not seen any updates since then. Maybe this could be a good opportunity to get rid of that library?
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c2ddec42836ebe543f7388e00cb47c22; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7w9ydvj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h7216aeh.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:39:33 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83h7216aeh.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:25:42 +0300") Message-ID: <878rndyd4a.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 166 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What about them? They are also implemented as a special kind of override-redirect frame, and I don't see people complaining.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0dc66b78841f5208f1bba9f322bab223; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:23:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:23:12 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:21:37 +0300") Message-ID: <87o7w9ydvj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 374 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > "Still better" and "good enough" aren't necessarily the same. At least, it will be enough to close this bug. > As soon as people understand these are frames, you're done: they will > want every frame-related feature to work there. What about tooltip frames? They are also override-redirect (and in a way that can't be turned off.)
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 13:21:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 09:21:37 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46012 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQqK9-00050p-1F for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:21:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQqK6-00050c-Sb for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:21:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQqK1-0000rx-Ke; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:21:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1F16Ev25adgTFgoWjg8i4ij5R73cwUOeIt32QErASZ4=; b=AyfZ/oNuWVX2 feByMzihaPVxIYpL37IsfRqYcZ/eMNsCpanCP7/IKt4woDUw+8SfFoKoGmjHENGrIIP0VMAN13ZW3 VOzkncjAJRSr0p06LIR2WUHae3KOMPXHRF5wnUaK9bYfiTpto15Hu20dAloNsIKKVtQbCcqnxEW7w gFE7EMk562kDn4LGXvT2khja8Xi61hMw4ZDMVNLUvoqnZg/E2yIMbnYl9/UlDWfIOuETcFtYC2Gud M5x0jzQM9WQhtW9P8snES7YdckNABYG6uJoKOVmbUMtVMkZmVJZJKMQvyy/8Z0fZsvf1+dwvK449C FttSybj4bhXXfJoRl5ulAQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3967 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oQqK0-00039l-QV; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:21:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 16:21:37 +0300 Message-Id: <83lerd6ala.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:42 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:42 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > They do, they do. The look nothing like menus. They look like text > > panes. > > Still better than what the current status quo for no toolkit builds is, > which is a giant text pane, but without anti-aliasing. "Still better" and "good enough" aren't necessarily the same. > > And then the user has some defaults for frame parameters that break > > this, yes? > > You can't break `override-redirect'; besides, we could simply ignore > those defaults on menu frames. As soon as people understand these are frames, you're done: they will want every frame-related feature to work there.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7dbccfc2ddc1b39f0e4682c47caf6719; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:01:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:01:42 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83mtbt6ccv.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:43:28 +0300") Message-ID: <87v8qhyevd.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 431 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > They do, they do. The look nothing like menus. They look like text > panes. Still better than what the current status quo for no toolkit builds is, which is a giant text pane, but without anti-aliasing. > And then the user has some defaults for frame parameters that break > this, yes? You can't break `override-redirect'; besides, we could simply ignore those defaults on menu frames.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2a10b79c2a28a916709c608533d4c55b; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:35:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:27:39 +0300") References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfll6d38.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:34:33 +0800 Message-ID: <878rndzup2.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 701 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Frames are a bad basis for menus: they (the frames) are too > heavyweight for a menu, so the resulting menus will look ugly. Well, undecorated frames don't look bad, but creating them takes a long time. The next thing I'll try is to create menu frames with something similar to the tooltip frame code, but that will probably have other consequences too, and move more code into C. > And there are other issues that make this unattractive: e.g., how do > you make a frame unmovable (which is required for sub-menus)? By setting the `override-redirect' frame parameter (or `undecorated' on platforms where the former isn't supported), like any other program.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 986972d045b127fbc1fbe3fc6f36ac4c; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:12:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:11:54 +0800 In-Reply-To: <834jy17umv.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:23:20 +0300") Message-ID: <87zgftzvqt.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 967 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: tom@HIDDEN, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Well, "no" is never correct when we deal with software ;-) > > But yes, it should be quite a project. The basic problem here is that > menus are not displayed by the Emacs display engine, they are > displayed by a separate code (which we "stole" from X11). > > Displaying pop-down menus with our display engine is "tricky", as the > TTY menus experience amply shows. Indeed, though it should be easier if each pane is a separate frame. I've been trying to figure out if it is possible to implement menus as frames, mostly in Lisp. The problem is that creating frames is too slow for responsive menus, and from skimming various pieces of documentation, it seems that there is no portable way to transfer the grab from the first frame to other leaf frames as they are created. The main problems here are Wayland and macOS, where the APIs required to implement correct menu grabbing behavior are not exposed by GTK or Cocoa.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 11:47:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 07:47:59 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQorW-0004UJ-Vi for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:47:59 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1oQorV-0004U4-6C for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:47:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Q2McNrCbXrSlqGzBzi6DR6let48UYtd+Z/QBkWnkfSA=; b=LNMMNyUwjE/OwHmy3qfGjcyC1Y YmjA4dX68P0Xhz+bXw7gu7+gYgvi5QegVoGUDZdiroEPZNv5Re02WfJUV5wY4Goa6AxOFhTlWxHFV 4D9f2Q963NY80IX+kVMPZ8+5n1rY6ivyJu5Xp+tPHGThGaV1le2IWISkerZraSfD0pDs=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1oQorM-00051e-U8; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:47:50 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:56:17 +0800") References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Sevdaliza's _Shabrang_: "Joanna" Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:47:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8qhn9qz.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> Would it be possible to change it so that even this popped up menu text >> font is not determined by X resources but by the usual emacs face >> mechanism? > > No. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> Would it be possible to change it so that even this popped up menu text >> font is not determined by X resources but by the usual emacs face >> mechanism? > > No. Of course it's possible. We have the code, and we can change it to do whatever we want.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 27d2db69c5eced4bdb8a73e56a07982b; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:57:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:56:17 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:15:11 +0200") Message-ID: <87czcp29m6.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 391 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> writes: > Would it be possible to change it so that even this popped up menu text > font is not determined by X resources but by the usual emacs face > mechanism? No. The no toolkit menu is implemented with a copy of a library deleted from the X11 distribution in X11R3, which was released during Oct 1988. The library has not seen any updates since then.
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Full text available.Received: (at 57372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2022 08:15:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 04:15:16 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oQlXg-0002pI-GG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:15:16 -0400 Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:49378) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tom@HIDDEN>) id 1oQlXe-0002p7-7U for 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:15:15 -0400 Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2575A1A179E; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:15:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 28.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57372: no-toolkit menu popups do not respect emacs font configuration In-Reply-To: <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87lerek7pt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k06y74sy.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:15:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8qihxbk.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57372 Cc: 57372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Eli, On Wed 24 Aug 2022 at 05:29, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> I often use C-+ and C-- to resize the default font and this does not >> work in menus (except with the console emacs obviously, where there is >> one font only and is resized by the console and not emacs). > > The font used for menus in the no-toolkit build is not the default > face's font, so it doesn't resize. That font is determined by X > resources, see the relevant node in the Emacs manual. yes, and that is not good and would be nice if it was improved. For example, on my system, the default X resources font used in no-toolkit emacs is too small and changing it is rather inconvenient. So when I choose a default face in .emacs, most of the no-toolkit emacs does what I expect, except the popped up menu text, which is unreadable. Would it be possible to change it so that even this popped up menu text font is not determined by X resources but by the usual emacs face mechanism? Regards, Tomas
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Hi
I would like to switch to no-toolkit gui emacs 28 but popped up menus do
not respect emacs font configuration. This looks like the only thing
preventing me from switching. (Unlike any toolkit emacs, menu bar with
no-toolkit uses the right font.)
I have this in my gui .emacs:
(custom-set-faces
'(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "white" :foreground "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-through nil :overline nil :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :height 200 :width normal :foundry "PfEd" :family "DejaVu Sans Mono")))))
and it seems that the only thing which does not respect that
configuration is the popped up menu text.
I often use C-+ and C-- to resize the default font and this does not
work in menus (except with the console emacs obviously, where there is
one font only and is resized by the console and not emacs).
emacs font resizing I found in emacs works per buffer but I want
it to work globally so I use:
(defun text-height ()
(face-attribute 'default :height))
(defun set-text-height (new-height)
(set-face-attribute 'default nil :height new-height))
(defvar text-height-factor (sqrt (sqrt 2)))
(defvar text-height-min 50)
(defvar text-height-max 500)
(defvar text-height-default (text-height))
(defun increase-text-height ()
(interactive)
(set-text-height
(min text-height-max
(round (* (text-height) text-height-factor)))))
(defun decrease-text-height ()
(interactive)
(set-text-height
(max text-height-min
(round (/ (text-height) text-height-factor)))))
(defun reset-text-height ()
(interactive)
(set-text-height text-height-default))
(global-set-key (kbd "C-+") 'increase-text-height)
(global-set-key (kbd "C--") 'decrease-text-height)
(global-set-key (kbd "C-0") 'reset-text-height)
(global-set-key (kbd "C-<mouse-4>") 'increase-text-height)
(global-set-key (kbd "C-<mouse-5>") 'decrease-text-height)
Would it be possible for no-toolkit emacs also respect the default font
in popped up menus?
Regards
Tomas
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