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Hi. I hope I'm submitting this correctly; please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm
trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I can
write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK window, add buttons and
menubars and toolbars, etc. I've tried the various online  sites, but none
of them have succeeded for me even with "use-modules", so I'm thinking
they've not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that's fine; I understand
the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of the
projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I don't
care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.

For my environment, I'm running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and I've
done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop
Ubuntu 22.04, if that's relevant.

I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing the
various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.

Finally, if there's no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I
can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I've done the linking
successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really nice
to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a
simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app's code is in Guile
Scheme.

Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi. I hope I&#39;m submitting this correctly; please tell =
me if I&#39;m wrong. I&#39;m trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same=
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 a GTK window, add buttons and menubars and toolbars, etc. I&#39;ve tried t=
he various online=C2=A0 sites, but none of them have succeeded for me even =
with &quot;use-modules&quot;, so I&#39;m thinking they&#39;ve not been upda=
ted for Guile 3.0 yet. And that&#39;s fine; I understand the massive effort=
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o move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I don&#39;t care if that to=
olkit is for GTK or some other platform.<div><br></div><div>For my environm=
ent, I&#39;m running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and I&#39;ve done u=
pgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop Ubuntu =
22.04, if that&#39;s relevant.</div><div><br></div><div>I will assume that =
I should report my problems with guix installing the various toolkit packag=
es not here, but to a guix mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, =
if there&#39;s no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I can wri=
te my app in C and link Guile into it. I&#39;ve done the linking successful=
ly several times for other=C2=A0projects. But it would be really nice to ha=
ve a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a simple P=
ython script do the same. The rest of my app&#39;s code is in Guile Scheme.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.</div>=
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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi. I hope I'm submitting this correctly; please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm
> trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I can
> write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK window, add buttons and
> menubars and toolbars, etc. I've tried the various online  sites, but none
> of them have succeeded for me even with "use-modules", so I'm thinking
> they've not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that's fine; I understand
> the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of the
> projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I don't
> care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.
>
> For my environment, I'm running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and I've
> done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop
> Ubuntu 22.04, if that's relevant.
>
> I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing the
> various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.
>
> Finally, if there's no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I
> can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I've done the linking
> successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really nice
> to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a
> simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app's code is in Guile
> Scheme.
>
> Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.

Hello,

I've tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It
might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on
Github[1], it's also packaged for Gnu Guix.

Hope that helps.

Thanks,
Jessica.

[1] - https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi

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Jessica.

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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi. I hope I'm submitting this correctly; please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm
> trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I can
> write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK window, add buttons and
> menubars and toolbars, etc. I've tried the various online  sites, but none
> of them have succeeded for me even with "use-modules", so I'm thinking
> they've not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that's fine; I understand
> the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of the
> projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I don't
> care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.
>
> For my environment, I'm running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and I've
> done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop
> Ubuntu 22.04, if that's relevant.
>
> I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing the
> various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.
>
> Finally, if there's no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I
> can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I've done the linking
> successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really nice
> to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a
> simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app's code is in Guile
> Scheme.
>
> Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.

Hello,

I've tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It
might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on
Github[1], it's also packaged for Gnu Guix.

Hope that helps.

Thanks,
Jessica.

[1] - https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi

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Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed, but FYI: When I
type "(use-modules (gi))" into an interactive guile, trying to follow
https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm , guile
responds with:
While compiling expression:
no code for module (gi)

If you happen to know how to fix that, it'd be fantastic for me. But it
appears to me to be an issue with guix, so I'm happy to ask over there.

Or did you build the gi package from source? I can do that too, but I
prefer to just install a binary package when I can.

Thanks greatly again.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:31 AM Jessica Tallon <tsyesika@HIDDEN> wrote:

>
> Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Hi. I hope I'm submitting this correctly; please tell me if I'm wrong.
> I'm
> > trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I can
> > write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK window, add buttons and
> > menubars and toolbars, etc. I've tried the various online  sites, but
> none
> > of them have succeeded for me even with "use-modules", so I'm thinking
> > they've not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that's fine; I understand
> > the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of the
> > projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I
> don't
> > care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.
> >
> > For my environment, I'm running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and
> I've
> > done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop
> > Ubuntu 22.04, if that's relevant.
> >
> > I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing the
> > various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.
> >
> > Finally, if there's no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I
> > can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I've done the linking
> > successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really
> nice
> > to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a
> > simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app's code is in Guile
> > Scheme.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.
>
> Hello,
>
> I've tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It
> might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on
> Github[1], it's also packaged for Gnu Guix.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica.
>
> [1] - https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Jessica.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed,=
 but FYI: When I type &quot;<font face=3D"monospace">(use-modules (gi))</fo=
nt>&quot; into an interactive guile, trying to follow=C2=A0<a href=3D"https=
://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm">https://githu=
b.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm</a> , guile responds w=
ith:<div><font face=3D"monospace">While compiling expression:<br>no code fo=
r module (gi)</font><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></di=
v><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">If you happen to know how to fix th=
at, it&#39;d be fantastic for me. But it appears to me to be an issue with =
guix, so I&#39;m happy to ask over there.</font></div><div><font face=3D"ar=
ial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Or =
did you build the=C2=A0gi package from source? I can do that too, but I pre=
fer to just install a binary package when I can.</font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-ser=
if">Thanks greatly again.</font></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:31 AM Jessi=
ca Tallon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsyesika@HIDDEN">tsyesika@HIDDEN<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
br>
Lee Thomas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leet22303be@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">l=
eet22303be@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi. I hope I&#39;m submitting this correctly; please tell me if I&#39;=
m wrong. I&#39;m<br>
&gt; trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I ca=
n<br>
&gt; write &quot;import gi&quot; and proceed to create a GTK window, add bu=
ttons and<br>
&gt; menubars and toolbars, etc. I&#39;ve tried the various online=C2=A0 si=
tes, but none<br>
&gt; of them have succeeded for me even with &quot;use-modules&quot;, so I&=
#39;m thinking<br>
&gt; they&#39;ve not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that&#39;s fine; I=
 understand<br>
&gt; the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of t=
he<br>
&gt; projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I =
don&#39;t<br>
&gt; care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For my environment, I&#39;m running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix,=
 and I&#39;ve<br>
&gt; done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running a=
top<br>
&gt; Ubuntu 22.04, if that&#39;s relevant.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing th=
e<br>
&gt; various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally, if there&#39;s no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, =
then I<br>
&gt; can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I&#39;ve done the linkin=
g<br>
&gt; successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really =
nice<br>
&gt; to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have =
a<br>
&gt; simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app&#39;s code is in =
Guile<br>
&gt; Scheme.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It<=
br>
might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on<br>
Github[1], it&#39;s also packaged for Gnu Guix.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jessica.<br>
<br>
[1] - <a href=3D"https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi</a><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Thanks,<br>
Jessica.<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed, but FYI: When I
type "(use-modules (gi))" into an interactive guile, trying to follow
https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm , guile
responds with:
While compiling expression:
no code for module (gi)

If you happen to know how to fix that, it'd be fantastic for me. But it
appears to me to be an issue with guix, so I'm happy to ask over there.

Or did you build the gi package from source? I can do that too, but I
prefer to just install a binary package when I can.

Thanks greatly again.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:31 AM Jessica Tallon <tsyesika@HIDDEN> wrote:

>
> Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Hi. I hope I'm submitting this correctly; please tell me if I'm wrong.
> I'm
> > trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I can
> > write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK window, add buttons and
> > menubars and toolbars, etc. I've tried the various online  sites, but
> none
> > of them have succeeded for me even with "use-modules", so I'm thinking
> > they've not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that's fine; I understand
> > the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of the
> > projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I
> don't
> > care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.
> >
> > For my environment, I'm running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix, and
> I've
> > done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running atop
> > Ubuntu 22.04, if that's relevant.
> >
> > I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing the
> > various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.
> >
> > Finally, if there's no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, then I
> > can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I've done the linking
> > successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really
> nice
> > to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have a
> > simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app's code is in Guile
> > Scheme.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.
>
> Hello,
>
> I've tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It
> might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on
> Github[1], it's also packaged for Gnu Guix.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica.
>
> [1] - https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Jessica.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed,=
 but FYI: When I type &quot;<font face=3D"monospace">(use-modules (gi))</fo=
nt>&quot; into an interactive guile, trying to follow=C2=A0<a href=3D"https=
://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm">https://githu=
b.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm</a> , guile responds w=
ith:<div><font face=3D"monospace">While compiling expression:<br>no code fo=
r module (gi)</font><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></di=
v><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">If you happen to know how to fix th=
at, it&#39;d be fantastic for me. But it appears to me to be an issue with =
guix, so I&#39;m happy to ask over there.</font></div><div><font face=3D"ar=
ial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Or =
did you build the=C2=A0gi package from source? I can do that too, but I pre=
fer to just install a binary package when I can.</font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-ser=
if">Thanks greatly again.</font></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:31 AM Jessi=
ca Tallon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsyesika@HIDDEN">tsyesika@HIDDEN<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
br>
Lee Thomas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leet22303be@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">l=
eet22303be@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi. I hope I&#39;m submitting this correctly; please tell me if I&#39;=
m wrong. I&#39;m<br>
&gt; trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that in Python I ca=
n<br>
&gt; write &quot;import gi&quot; and proceed to create a GTK window, add bu=
ttons and<br>
&gt; menubars and toolbars, etc. I&#39;ve tried the various online=C2=A0 si=
tes, but none<br>
&gt; of them have succeeded for me even with &quot;use-modules&quot;, so I&=
#39;m thinking<br>
&gt; they&#39;ve not been updated for Guile 3.0 yet. And that&#39;s fine; I=
 understand<br>
&gt; the massive effort involved. I would actually like to know if one of t=
he<br>
&gt; projects is slated to move forward, so I can volunteer to help. And I =
don&#39;t<br>
&gt; care if that toolkit is for GTK or some other platform.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For my environment, I&#39;m running guile 3.0.8 under the latest guix,=
 and I&#39;ve<br>
&gt; done upgrades, but I admit to being a guix n00b. I have guix running a=
top<br>
&gt; Ubuntu 22.04, if that&#39;s relevant.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I will assume that I should report my problems with guix installing th=
e<br>
&gt; various toolkit packages not here, but to a guix mailing list.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally, if there&#39;s no GUI toolkit for Guile coming anytime soon, =
then I<br>
&gt; can write my app in C and link Guile into it. I&#39;ve done the linkin=
g<br>
&gt; successfully several times for other projects. But it would be really =
nice<br>
&gt; to have a simple Guile script that launches a GUI, just as I can have =
a<br>
&gt; simple Python script do the same. The rest of my app&#39;s code is in =
Guile<br>
&gt; Scheme.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks in advance, but I hope to follow up.<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve tested making some basic GTK guis with the `guile-gi` package. It<=
br>
might be worth taking a look at that. The project is located on<br>
Github[1], it&#39;s also packaged for Gnu Guix.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jessica.<br>
<br>
[1] - <a href=3D"https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi</a><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Thanks,<br>
Jessica.<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed, but FYI: When I
> type "(use-modules (gi))" into an interactive guile, trying to follow
> https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm , guile
> responds with:
> While compiling expression:
> no code for module (gi)
>
> If you happen to know how to fix that, it'd be fantastic for me. But it
> appears to me to be an issue with guix, so I'm happy to ask over there.

No problem.

I'm using it with guix, for example I can do:

$ guix shell guile guile-gi
$ guile
scheme@(guile-user)> (use-modules (gi))

Could it be that you've installed the guile-gi package with guix, but
it's using a system guile version which isn't set up to look for modules
in the path that guix is putting them in? I'm relatively new to guix so
if the above doesn't work, it's prehaps best asking over with the guix
folks since I'm relatively new to guix too.

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Jessica.

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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> Thank you, Jessica! That assurance is all I really needed, but FYI: When I
> type "(use-modules (gi))" into an interactive guile, trying to follow
> https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/blob/master/examples/cairo.scm , guile
> responds with:
> While compiling expression:
> no code for module (gi)
>
> If you happen to know how to fix that, it'd be fantastic for me. But it
> appears to me to be an issue with guix, so I'm happy to ask over there.

No problem.

I'm using it with guix, for example I can do:

$ guix shell guile guile-gi
$ guile
scheme@(guile-user)> (use-modules (gi))

Could it be that you've installed the guile-gi package with guix, but
it's using a system guile version which isn't set up to look for modules
in the path that guix is putting them in? I'm relatively new to guix so
if the above doesn't work, it's prehaps best asking over with the guix
folks since I'm relatively new to guix too.

-- 
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Jessica.

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Hello,

> > ... I'm trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that
> > in Python I can write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK
> > window, add buttons and menubars and toolbars, etc.

You might also try G-Golf - disclaimer, I am the G-Golf maintainer, I
was hoping/waiting that some answer(s) would point to both solutions,
but as it didn't happen, here is the link [1].

David

[1]	https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html

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Thank you both!!

Jessica, when I invoked the guix shell as you showed, it worked in that
"(use-modules (gi))" succeeded. I need to learn more about including
packages with the guix shell command. It's odd that I can get the latest
guile to run without specifying it for guix, but I must have the other
packages for gi to work .. . .

David, I was able to install G-Golf via guix, and that also worked with the
"use-modules" portion of your "Hello, World!" example.

HOWEVER (alas), both examples fail on the "use-typelibs" line, with:
Typelib file for namespace 'Gtk', version '4.0' not found

In trying to resolve that error myself, I found that the guile manual has
no entry for "use-typelib" in the Procedures Index. :-/  I'll submit that
bug in a new email, after confirming there's not already a thread.

Oh, and David, https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html has a link
for Typelib that 404s. I would suggest a fix, but I couldn't easily find
one, sorry.

But both of you have shown me that what I originally wanted to do is, in
fact, doable. Thanks again!

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 1:03 PM David Pirotte <david@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> > > ... I'm trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way that
> > > in Python I can write "import gi" and proceed to create a GTK
> > > window, add buttons and menubars and toolbars, etc.
>
> You might also try G-Golf - disclaimer, I am the G-Golf maintainer, I
> was hoping/waiting that some answer(s) would point to both solutions,
> but as it didn't happen, here is the link [1].
>
> David
>
> [1]     https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you both!!<div><br></div><div>Jessica, when I invoke=
d the guix shell as you showed, it worked in that &quot;(use-modules (gi))&=
quot; succeeded. I need to learn more about including packages with the gui=
x shell command. It&#39;s odd that I can get the latest guile to run withou=
t specifying it for guix, but I must have the other packages for gi to work=
 .. . .</div><div><br></div><div>David, I was able to install G-Golf via gu=
ix, and that also worked with the &quot;use-modules&quot; portion of your &=
quot;Hello, World!&quot; example.</div><div><br></div><div>HOWEVER (alas), =
both examples fail on the &quot;use-typelibs&quot; line, with:</div><div><f=
ont face=3D"monospace">Typelib file for namespace &#39;Gtk&#39;, version &#=
39;4.0&#39; not found</font><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></f=
ont></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">In trying to resolve that e=
rror myself, I found that the guile manual has no entry for &quot;use-typel=
ib&quot; in the Procedures Index. :-/=C2=A0 I&#39;ll submit that bug in a n=
ew email, after confirming there&#39;s not already a thread.</font></div><d=
iv><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"ari=
al, sans-serif">Oh, and David,=C2=A0</font><a href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/s=
oftware/g-golf/index.html">https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html</=
a> has a link for Typelib that 404s. I would suggest a fix, but I couldn&#3=
9;t easily find one, sorry.</div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>=
</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">But both of you have sho=
wn me that what I originally wanted to do is, in fact, doable. Thanks again=
!</font></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 1:03 PM David Pirotte=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david@HIDDEN">david@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
&gt; &gt; ... I&#39;m trying to at least prototype a GUI in the same way th=
at<br>
&gt; &gt; in Python I can write &quot;import gi&quot; and proceed to create=
 a GTK<br>
&gt; &gt; window, add buttons and menubars and toolbars, etc.<br>
<br>
You might also try G-Golf - disclaimer, I am the G-Golf maintainer, I<br>
was hoping/waiting that some answer(s) would point to both solutions,<br>
but as it didn&#39;t happen, here is the link [1].<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
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Hello Lee,

> David, I was able to install G-Golf via guix, and that also worked
> with the "use-modules" portion of your "Hello, World!" example.

> HOWEVER (alas), both examples fail on the "use-typelibs" line, with:
> Typelib file for namespace 'Gtk', version '4.0' not found

This is a guix 'problem' [1], please try to get some help on guix-user
ML, or if you have on irc:	irc.libera.chat	(channel) #guix

> In trying to resolve that error myself, I found that the guile manual
> has no entry for "use-typelib" in the Procedures Index. :-/  I'll
> submit that bug in a new email, after confirming there's not already
> a thread.

No, there is no 'use-typelib, as you can read in each example, the
procedure call is:

	(g-irepository-require "Gtk" #:version "4.0")
	[ the manual has an entry for g-irepository-require

So, with this in mind, the error message is 'correct'. Note that it
would also fail if there is a tipo in the namespace, or if you refer to
a version that does not exist ...

> Oh, and David, https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html has a
> link for Typelib that 404s. I would suggest a fix, but I couldn't
> easily find one, sorry.

Thanks, I'll look at this.

David

[1]	I mean you need to find the name of the package and install
it, this is not a G-Golf dependency, it is only needed if you wish t
run those examples, which are mini apps, not part of the G-Golf core
lib ... so to speak, it is 'user dependency' ... I think guix has Gtk-4+
packages, including the package that 'has' the typelib, but I don't use
guix, so i am unable to give you precise guidance ... the #guix channel
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Thank you greatly, David. I cleaned up my guix environment and reinstalled
G-Golf, and now the hello world script runs but hangs after these errors:

(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:37:46.818:
cannot register existing type 'GdkPixbuf'

(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 12:37:46.818:
g_type_add_interface_static: assertion 'G_TYPE_IS_INSTANTIATABLE
(instance_type)' failed

(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 12:37:46.818:
g_type_add_interface_static: assertion 'G_TYPE_IS_INSTANTIATABLE
(instance_type)' failed

(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-CRITICAL **: 12:37:46.818:
g_once_init_leave: assertion 'result != 0' failed

So I assume I haven't fixed the guix environment completely yet, but I'm
still working on that. The guix toolset is advertised to manage all the
interdependencies, but I'm not certain that it works in every situation.
I'll keep trying, though. Thanks again.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:27 PM David Pirotte <david@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Hello Lee,
>
> > David, I was able to install G-Golf via guix, and that also worked
> > with the "use-modules" portion of your "Hello, World!" example.
>
> > HOWEVER (alas), both examples fail on the "use-typelibs" line, with:
> > Typelib file for namespace 'Gtk', version '4.0' not found
>
> This is a guix 'problem' [1], please try to get some help on guix-user
> ML, or if you have on irc:      irc.libera.chat (channel) #guix
>
> > In trying to resolve that error myself, I found that the guile manual
> > has no entry for "use-typelib" in the Procedures Index. :-/  I'll
> > submit that bug in a new email, after confirming there's not already
> > a thread.
>
> No, there is no 'use-typelib, as you can read in each example, the
> procedure call is:
>
>         (g-irepository-require "Gtk" #:version "4.0")
>         [ the manual has an entry for g-irepository-require
>
> So, with this in mind, the error message is 'correct'. Note that it
> would also fail if there is a tipo in the namespace, or if you refer to
> a version that does not exist ...
>
> > Oh, and David, https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.html has a
> > link for Typelib that 404s. I would suggest a fix, but I couldn't
> > easily find one, sorry.
>
> Thanks, I'll look at this.
>
> David
>
> [1]     I mean you need to find the name of the package and install
> it, this is not a G-Golf dependency, it is only needed if you wish t
> run those examples, which are mini apps, not part of the G-Golf core
> lib ... so to speak, it is 'user dependency' ... I think guix has Gtk-4+
> packages, including the package that 'has' the typelib, but I don't use
> guix, so i am unable to give you precise guidance ... the #guix channel
> is extremely responsive, helpful, and very friendly, so don't be
> scared to ask ...
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank=C2=A0you greatly, David. I cleaned up my guix enviro=
nment and reinstalled G-Golf, and now the hello world script runs but hangs=
 after these errors:<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace">(g-golf-he=
llo-world.scm:494347): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 12:37:46.818: cannot regist=
er existing type &#39;GdkPixbuf&#39;<br><br>(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347)=
: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 12:37:46.818: g_type_add_interface_static: asse=
rtion &#39;G_TYPE_IS_INSTANTIATABLE (instance_type)&#39; failed<br><br>(g-g=
olf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 12:37:46.818: g_type=
_add_interface_static: assertion &#39;G_TYPE_IS_INSTANTIATABLE (instance_ty=
pe)&#39; failed<br><br>(g-golf-hello-world.scm:494347): GLib-CRITICAL **: 1=
2:37:46.818: g_once_init_leave: assertion &#39;result !=3D 0&#39; failed</f=
ont><br></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"arial, sans-serif">So I assume I haven&#39;t fixed the guix environmen=
t completely yet, but I&#39;m still working on that. The guix toolset is ad=
vertised to manage all the interdependencies, but I&#39;m not certain that =
it works in every situation. I&#39;ll keep trying, though. Thanks again.</f=
ont></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:27 PM David Pirotte &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:david@HIDDEN">david@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Lee,<br>
<br>
&gt; David, I was able to install G-Golf via guix, and that also worked<br>
&gt; with the &quot;use-modules&quot; portion of your &quot;Hello, World!&q=
uot; example.<br>
<br>
&gt; HOWEVER (alas), both examples fail on the &quot;use-typelibs&quot; lin=
e, with:<br>
&gt; Typelib file for namespace &#39;Gtk&#39;, version &#39;4.0&#39; not fo=
und<br>
<br>
This is a guix &#39;problem&#39; [1], please try to get some help on guix-u=
ser<br>
ML, or if you have on irc:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 irc.libera.chat (channel) #g=
uix<br>
<br>
&gt; In trying to resolve that error myself, I found that the guile manual<=
br>
&gt; has no entry for &quot;use-typelib&quot; in the Procedures Index. :-/=
=C2=A0 I&#39;ll<br>
&gt; submit that bug in a new email, after confirming there&#39;s not alrea=
dy<br>
&gt; a thread.<br>
<br>
No, there is no &#39;use-typelib, as you can read in each example, the<br>
procedure call is:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (g-irepository-require &quot;Gtk&quot; #:versio=
n &quot;4.0&quot;)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [ the manual has an entry for g-irepository-req=
uire<br>
<br>
So, with this in mind, the error message is &#39;correct&#39;. Note that it=
<br>
would also fail if there is a tipo in the namespace, or if you refer to<br>
a version that does not exist ...<br>
<br>
&gt; Oh, and David, <a href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/software/g-golf/index.ht=
ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.gnu.org/software/g-gol=
f/index.html</a> has a<br>
&gt; link for Typelib that 404s. I would suggest a fix, but I couldn&#39;t<=
br>
&gt; easily find one, sorry.<br>
<br>
Thanks, I&#39;ll look at this.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
[1]=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I mean you need to find the name of the package and =
install<br>
it, this is not a G-Golf dependency, it is only needed if you wish t<br>
run those examples, which are mini apps, not part of the G-Golf core<br>
lib ... so to speak, it is &#39;user dependency&#39; ... I think guix has G=
tk-4+<br>
packages, including the package that &#39;has&#39; the typelib, but I don&#=
39;t use<br>
guix, so i am unable to give you precise guidance ... the #guix channel<br>
is extremely responsive, helpful, and very friendly, so don&#39;t be<br>
scared to ask ...<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> So I assume I haven't fixed the guix environment completely yet, but
> I'm still working on that. The guix toolset is advertised to manage
> all the interdependencies, but I'm not certain that it works in every
> situation. I'll keep trying, though. Thanks again.

Could you please show us how to reproduce this?  We would need to see
the Guix command, the code you run, and ideally the output of =E2=80=9Cguix
describe=E2=80=9D.

--=20
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Lee Thomas <leet22303be@HIDDEN> writes:

> So I assume I haven't fixed the guix environment completely yet, but
> I'm still working on that. The guix toolset is advertised to manage
> all the interdependencies, but I'm not certain that it works in every
> situation. I'll keep trying, though. Thanks again.

Could you please show us how to reproduce this?  We would need to see
the Guix command, the code you run, and ideally the output of =E2=80=9Cguix
describe=E2=80=9D.

--=20
Ricardo

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