Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 57424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 11:30:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 26 07:30:00 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oRXXE-0001cG-FL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:30:00 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:36083) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <dimech@HIDDEN>) id 1oRXXB-0001c3-Iy for 57424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:29:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1661513391; bh=sbnar1M3FWBtHZhK72fYKZrrVuNJVDVKT3qfAou7low=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=h7n8Wnr3OZwK++ev1N7ms0kYJPZJuKSymS6u8E8vaccMxzs5VcJNOyD1py7EQrby5 muTkyKKFw4nQ/zKzV9MdgL/dA0qBU0WtLiBM9ZWO4Pu7eUyShVLnf0ws4l1x48hyic LMafBTro2/2xyHE2fP1KTYeVJuOLtANMyfFPzeUw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [92.251.127.164] ([92.251.127.164]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:29:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <trinity-c74bb440-e884-41f1-899a-f307dde911b7-1661513391414@3c-app-mailcom-bs03> From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#57424: Perceptibility of display-fill-column-indicator-mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:29:51 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87r113e0kz.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <trinity-52bcee74-c263-46f0-bd3e-1cb7b5cf3fc4-1661492663115@3c-app-mailcom-bs07> <87wnave0tb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r113e0kz.fsf@HIDDEN> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5h6jbCwz+Az5rEY/b6e19iuvofZcuDdZ6EGNBbqeBQsaBbAN2xVhwXoD2y0YBs6m8/j9B E9x9/avoFCLnDi7ParMk9SmHkYWRhHPJWry9jkJ+b+PrXpOQO1TrOfNvBHN1q2PQJqzjYX0kbKhu z1SM8XnwduTTgU7JCP65OLmpoWJd/T9hVkb2094sdmblh8C+rBJR4O2Lj9r1KGQAeCGz7kQZXu7X uJYWr6bA3Pi9CNw9gtw0psPSAruSJnL+EHUKJVE37zgK9VRmTG1qUdyTW5hPThvHRncfLbVBmWzk /I= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:xFR39bvdJRs=:Q7O3/bm0zl2RsO7rtX1k/+ kUA4kpRrNvtVFPmdqCdOarSceQOhT3I5OyeV4/+xFbjphT6ZeXtLmD1LSEMkw1XTtRezdQRXH gwbyhD9MqdCXYAOtVXI9w4Rwr/V0rjXkMIL2J+ToFNc8enGr3gyC4hN0NHxHy86jLLrMYSXhw 2r0rbporCs5Bu8PPQfksOawt3bbFZrHEqi7LYU7FwGNCCRsPC0+aj4SA9AiXmBFa3jo8MbCLY iWV4NoMGB4TF9Oe70PtENTrCzYI+u8hbJTHCCneWXUo7RCzDChAI5pR/azsQOR82TT7WUZZhF dcq+NAuk8pu9jyh4LN/YgVnwQk0rnU/VI/gb2e3LlMPeXbY2ZrFQoWoGMUtY/7+52VNhZpkkA Z3v1T+f0J5J+n7tcNmtACphA6MQDMkQ625juPCvJKrbU598rbUqO1tAhDnVshPKnC6YAFBrpp bBia7RiIKjXpBvFUJlFExa2m7FS480othfqH6QZ7LgOVM0rPccsYkh4R1LgPNG4/uqV1VTwMG u+cNBtgz8rg4FrSQVrfEucYavw0tXMuGn/jC8hPzorQF96wdAm0CrXIPFT4+0QyEZFvgEbI+T V5mi15Nr/g4jYV5HtB8KShnsBU8NktkKi4m8ItX/Ka8voiUZdxrAzJkEgEpZzxOGj6NSHJrvw kJj8/TD9141lQU9PvLZ7tNf7lKeNmGSGDDMQBT/+128uaBw62trfQZXSt1uBJYMwVN8+jfMsW DV4nxjg3uW2+Ry5ls6Mvx6ijXDGv+mcK0urUr4YcYmJDPYkKWX/fjGvQhj8CsU3CjFLy3GC6q BxeJcoG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57424 Cc: 57424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 at 10:55 PM > From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" <larsi@HIDDEN> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@HIDDEN> > Cc: 57424 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#57424: Perceptibility of display-fill-column-indicator-= mode > > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > > With "emacs -Q" on the current Ubuntu, the line isn't dashed. > > Oh, never mind -- I see the dashes now. (On this HiDPI screen, the gaps > weren't visible to me before enlargening.) Hard to see with Trisquel 9.0 when one uses Emacs with modus-vivendi (a dark theme provided by modus-themes, specially designed for accessibili= ty). Could users have an accessibility flag they can turn on and off, where the= line is thick and solid (rather than dashed and thin). And be able to change co= lour of background. Can one change the foreground colour of the line? Not too= sure if foreground line colouring is possible.
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debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Christopher Dimech <dimech@HIDDEN> writes: > Protesilaos described how the default style of > display-fill-column-indicator-mode gets a dashed vertical line. --=-=-= Content-Type: image/png Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAATwAAAHJCAIAAACXOBL7AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBjSFJN AAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAA EGNhTnYAAA8AAAAJYAAADRIAAAEjuBauOwAAI59JREFUeNrt3XlgE2Xi//HnmZkkzdEkve+TttBy WCiHCqiI14ouCCou4B4qrucKgt+frnxd1xP5re6qK3xZXEDQZfW3eKDwRUXlErlKOVugF7T0Stu0 TdKcM/P8/khSW2hLC21p2s/rT8Qh88y8586EMsYIQOCRyr95b80es0wIEdJnLJqTraaDZM6FK/qv i+ZXpu5Zc679zYaQNezLz9MzeKyeAK1xGIL+TXbtX3VoxuStI7K/u++/y087MCKAaPs1Vr4hb/4b 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And it looks very perceptible to me. On which systems is it faint and dashed? --=-=-=--
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I agree that the default indicator character is > > too thin. Changing the character to something wider does not > > change things much. A solution that works is that of setting a > > background colour, rather than changing the foreground colour . > > Christopher, please don't take words out of context. State what you > think the bug is without involving me or other people. Was not meant to involve you. But mentioned changes you suggested as context of what one can try and see how things look like. > My involvement in this only concerns the modus-themes. I explained via > a private channel why the modus-themes style the fill-column-indicator > like this: > > ;; Not actual code, but true to form: > (set-face-attribute 'fill-column-indicator nil :height 1 :background= "gray50" :foreground "gray50") > > The default face of fill-column-indicator creates a dashed line when (i) > the user applies a default font with a tall line height, (ii) increases > the value of 'line-spacing', (iii) applies an increased height to > certain elements, such as scaling the faces of Org headings. > > Because of these common scenaria, users would tell me that the visuals > looked broken. Changing the face, as shown above, produces a contiguous > line. This is a compromise, so that I stop getting the same issue over > and over that the themes are broken. The report is not about modus-themes, so you can do the compromise for the themes, and I can change that should I want, following your comments. > > [... 15 lines elided] > > > The only way to ensure a contiguous vertical line is to > > explicitly set the :height of the face to a small value. This > > brings out the perceptibility problem. > > > > Studying carefully WCAG 2.1, Section 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum), > > the contrast ratio is also subject to change according to the > > thinness of the characters. For instance, With larger thicker > > text, the contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 can be modified to to > > at least 3:1. > > > > I see the requirement of a contiguous indicator line is mainly about > > aesthetics. But practical usability should be of higher concern. > > I shared code with you on how to change the face to the effect that it > widens the width of the line. Please use it. I also stated in clear > terms why this decision was made. You insist on dismissing it as > "aesthetics". There is nothing more I can do about it. > > -- > Protesilaos Stavrou > https://protesilaos.com >
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> From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:44:23 +0200
>
> Have followed the customisation discussion about
> display-fill-column-indicator-mode
>
> Have consulted with Protesilaos Stavrou, author of
> modus-themes. I agree that the default indicator character is
> too thin. Changing the character to something wider does not
> change things much. A solution that works is that of setting a
> background colour, rather than changing the foreground colour .
Christopher, please don't take words out of context. State what you
think the bug is without involving me or other people.
My involvement in this only concerns the modus-themes. I explained via
a private channel why the modus-themes style the fill-column-indicator
like this:
;; Not actual code, but true to form:
(set-face-attribute 'fill-column-indicator nil :height 1 :background "gray50" :foreground "gray50")
The default face of fill-column-indicator creates a dashed line when (i)
the user applies a default font with a tall line height, (ii) increases
the value of 'line-spacing', (iii) applies an increased height to
certain elements, such as scaling the faces of Org headings.
Because of these common scenaria, users would tell me that the visuals
looked broken. Changing the face, as shown above, produces a contiguous
line. This is a compromise, so that I stop getting the same issue over
and over that the themes are broken.
> [... 15 lines elided]
> The only way to ensure a contiguous vertical line is to
> explicitly set the :height of the face to a small value. This
> brings out the perceptibility problem.
>
> Studying carefully WCAG 2.1, Section 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum),
> the contrast ratio is also subject to change according to the
> thinness of the characters. For instance, With larger thicker
> text, the contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 can be modified to to
> at least 3:1.
>
> I see the requirement of a contiguous indicator line is mainly about
> aesthetics. But practical usability should be of higher concern.
I shared code with you on how to change the face to the effect that it
widens the width of the line. Please use it. I also stated in clear
terms why this decision was made. You insist on dismissing it as
"aesthetics". There is nothing more I can do about it.
--
Protesilaos Stavrou
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I agree that the default indicator character is too thin. Changing the character to something wider does not change things much. A solution that works is that of setting a background colour, rather than changing the foreground colour . Cannot see any consideration of accessibility in its design, as it looks that the plan had been to make the indicator faint and almost imperceptible. This strategy is the worst possible thing one can do for the cohort of visually challenged people (remember that perceptibility changes with age, meaning that developers could be too young and inexperienced to understand perceptibility considerations). Protesilaos described how the default style of display-fill-column-indicator-mode gets a dashed vertical line. These dashes appear further apart and feel broken if the user (i) has a font with a tall line height, (ii) increases the value of line-spacing, (iii) has an increased height for constructs like headings in Org. The only way to ensure a contiguous vertical line is to explicitly set the :height of the face to a small value. This brings out the perceptibility problem. Studying carefully WCAG 2.1, Section 1.4.3 Contrast (Minimum), the contrast ratio is also subject to change according to the thinness of the characters. For instance, With larger thicker text, the contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 can be modified to to at least 3:1. I see the requirement of a contiguous indicator line is mainly about aesthetics. But practical usability should be of higher concern.
Christopher Dimech <dimech@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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