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Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun Aug 25 21:47:10 1991 +0000 > > Initial revision > > Which says: > > (define-key global-map "\C-h" 'help-command) > (fset 'help-command help-map) > (define-key help-map "\C-h" 'help-for-help) > > > and thus used the default behavior of printing help for all keys > > bound to the prefix map. As an example see the behavior for C-x C-h. > > If the user bound a key with C-h prefix, that binding previously would > > show up in C-h C-h help. > > That's not what I see in Emacs 27.1. Have you tried it in "emacs -Q"? > Seems like I misremembered, sorry about that. Then this is a feature request not regression. --0000000000008a5fb405ea2faf7d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 2:20 AM Stefan Kan= gas <<a href=3D"mailto:stefankangas@HIDDEN">stefankangas@HIDDEN</a= >> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">severity 58216 wishlist<br> thanks<br> <br> Allen Li <darkfeline@HIDDEN> writes:<br> <br> > Before the recent binding of C-h C-h to help-for-help, C-h C-h was<br> > unbound<br> <br> AFAICT, that key binding has been the same since at least:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 commit 433ae6f6e191af1d1bc67025200ea54a08761e68<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author: Richard M. Stallman <<a href=3D"mailto:rms@HIDDEN= " target=3D"_blank">rms@HIDDEN</a>><br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sun Aug 25 21:47:10 1991 +0000<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Initial revision<br> <br> Which says:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (define-key global-map "\C-h" 'help-command)<br= > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (fset 'help-command help-map)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (define-key help-map "\C-h" 'help-for-help)<br> <br> > and thus used the default behavior of printing help for all keys<br> > bound to the prefix map.=C2=A0 As an example see the behavior for C-x = C-h.<br> > If the user bound a key with C-h prefix, that binding previously would= <br> > show up in C-h C-h help.<br> <br> That's not what I see in Emacs 27.1.=C2=A0 Have you tried it in "e= macs -Q"?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Seems like I misremember= ed, sorry about that.=C2=A0 Then this is a feature request not regression.= =C2=A0</div></div></div> --0000000000008a5fb405ea2faf7d--
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Allen Li <darkfeline@HIDDEN> writes:
> Before the recent binding of C-h C-h to help-for-help, C-h C-h was
> unbound
AFAICT, that key binding has been the same since at least:
commit 433ae6f6e191af1d1bc67025200ea54a08761e68
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Which says:
(define-key global-map "\C-h" 'help-command)
(fset 'help-command help-map)
(define-key help-map "\C-h" 'help-for-help)
> and thus used the default behavior of printing help for all keys
> bound to the prefix map. As an example see the behavior for C-x C-h.
> If the user bound a key with C-h prefix, that binding previously would
> show up in C-h C-h help.
That's not what I see in Emacs 27.1. Have you tried it in "emacs -Q"?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Allen Li <darkfeline@HIDDEN> writes: > Before the recent binding of C-h C-h to help-for-help, C-h C-h was > unbound and thus used the default behavior of printing help for all keys > bound to the prefix map. 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I checked Emacs 26.1 -- C-h C-h runs the command help-for-help (found in global-map), which is an alias for =E2=80=98help-for-help-internal=E2=80=99 in =E2=80=98help.el= =E2=80=99. Which Emacs version do you see `C-h C-h' not bound to `help-for-help'?
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To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#58216: 28.2; New help-for-help hides user key bindings
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> It's a regression that `C-h M' isn't shown any more,
>>
>> Was `C-h M' displayed before though?
>
> Ah, no, I guess it wasn't.
Before the recent binding of C-h C-h to help-for-help, C-h C-h was
unbound and thus used the default behavior of printing help for all keys
bound to the prefix map. As an example see the behavior for C-x C-h.
If the user bound a key with C-h prefix, that binding previously would
show up in C-h C-h help.
Example:
User binds C-h M
Before help-for-help was introduced:
C-h C-h would display the user-bound C-h M mapping
After help-for-help was introduced:
C-h C-h does not display any user mappings with C-h prefix
See https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Keys.html
Typing the help character (C-h or F1) after a prefix key displays a list
of the commands starting with that prefix. The sole exception to this
rule is ESC: ESC C-h is equivalent to C-M-h, which does something else
entirely. You can, however, use F1 to display a list of commands
starting with ESC.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: >> That's what he wants to have fixed -- he wants to see `C-h M' in that >> buffer. > > So this is a feature request? I interpreted it as a regression, based > on this in the original bug report: > > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58216 Cc: 58216 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Allen Li <darkfeline@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: >> That's what he wants to have fixed -- he wants to see `C-h M' in that >> buffer. > > So this is a feature request? I interpreted it as a regression, based > on this in the original bug report: > > The new `help-for-help' bound to C-h C-h hides the user's key bindings. > > I have bound a couple of commands to the C-h prefix to provide some > personalized help and occasionally I would type C-h C-h to double check > which commands I have bound, for some of the less frequently used ones. > > Previously, this would show the normal prefix help which describes all > keys in the prefix map. However, the new `help-for-help' does not do > so. It's a regression that `C-h M' isn't shown any more, and he requests a new feature that would show it in a way that fits the new `C-h C-h' display.
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> I also tried replacing step 2 with this instead
>>
>> (define-key help-map [?M] #'man)
>>
>> but I still couldn't see `C-h M' in there.
>
> That's what he wants to have fixed -- he wants to see `C-h M' in that
> buffer.
So this is a feature request? I interpreted it as a regression, based
on this in the original bug report:
The new `help-for-help' bound to C-h C-h hides the user's key bindings.
I have bound a couple of commands to the C-h prefix to provide some
personalized help and occasionally I would type C-h C-h to double check
which commands I have bound, for some of the less frequently used ones.
Previously, this would show the normal prefix help which describes all
keys in the prefix map. However, the new `help-for-help' does not do
so.
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Allen Li <darkfeline@HIDDEN> writes:
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. (define-key [?\C-h ?M] #'man)
That doesn't work, so I interpreted this as:
(global-set-key [?\C-h ?M] #'man)
> 3. C-h C-h
With the above (adjusted) recipe on Emacs 27.1, my " *Metahelp*" buffer
contains the below text. I don't see the `C-h M' binding in there.
I also tried replacing step 2 with this instead
(define-key help-map [?M] #'man)
but I still couldn't see `C-h M' in there.
What am I missing? Could you provide the full text of your
" *Metahelp*" buffer (or a screenshot) with the above recipe?
You have typed C-h, the help character. Type a Help option:
(Use SPC or DEL to scroll through this text. Type q to exit the
Help command.)
a PATTERN Show commands whose name matches the PATTERN (a list of wor=
ds
or a regexp). See also the =E2=80=98apropos=E2=80=99 com=
mand.
b Display all key bindings.
c KEYS Display the command name run by the given key sequence.
C CODING Describe the given coding system, or RET for current ones.
d PATTERN Show a list of functions, variables, and other items whose
documentation matches the PATTERN (a list of words
or a regexp).
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F COMMAND Show the Emacs manual=E2=80=99s section that describes the =
command.
g Display information about the GNU project.
h Display the HELLO file which illustrates various scripts.
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I have bound a couple of commands to the C-h prefix to provide some personalized help and occasionally I would type C-h C-h to double check which commands I have bound, for some of the less frequently used ones. Previously, this would show the normal prefix help which describes all keys in the prefix map. However, the new `help-for-help' does not do so. I suggest that the `help-for-help' command include any custom bindings in the prefix map as a separate "Custom" section at the end so they can still be found. In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2022-09-12 built on frederik Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Arch Linux
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