Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2022 12:50:54 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 08:50:54 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56041 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oibCI-0005gO-11 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:50:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oibCG-0005gB-6K for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:50:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oibCA-0004KS-OS; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:50:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=unceYX0qxyW0n51aVoRrVXXEcu/MbyG3wrv2W1ZF3kE=; b=JeIS8PmsoudQ tdHCrJj3YduBj/3dbfNDKXVjLVqMSnFtcXg7sbBpXmPTtsaU9o+yf0QYJO0dGOfjko7LHxMhILJMH dPcKkGe29qoHhV5fxk0O4hEHT41cI9mTYdk3HGbXlCadjFaNYU1f3x3mmi230FlDolyViX8b/X39F 9Oe6YvxScFm4qMwrd3ZF1fJ2VOpD4aRt6HFjVjd4SY26ihaDR0KbvzVpBfxG7uU8QoAWmHIDB2FOp 5qO134mYG1rg+wvb7O/4HaLETve1deMIOGQnJXHIyTHdhp+JhSAEJSFRHz0jCAEoqnmx2i1zDiWTJ Udkxt7awF+SQqCyGYlbS1Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2288 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oibCA-0003Dn-7T; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:50:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:50:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilkpcij2.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfr0zdzcek.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:14:43 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfzge2ytr4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn95d3bi.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfr0zdzcek.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:14:43 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> make bootstrap on my dev machine (-j16) is ~ 3min 10 secs. > > > > I meant the time to build a release tarball, which should be much > > shorter. Sorry for being unclear. > > Apologies on my side, I'm not very much into release tarball generation. > If you specify what's the command you are referring to I can time it and > report. It isn't too important, so feel free to disregard. But if you have a few minutes, then unpack the Emacs 28.2 release tarball and build it with -j16. Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2022 08:14:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 04:14:49 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oiWt7-0007kO-8N for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 04:14:49 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1oiWt3-0007kE-BY for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 04:14:48 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29C8EhXU027349 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:14:43 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83wn95d3bi.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:21:53 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfzge2ytr4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn95d3bi.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:14:43 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfr0zdzcek.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, >> bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 20:45:19 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, >> >> bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN >> >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000 >> >> >> >> Okay 3744720904 adds 'trampolines' as target. The trampolines are >> >> deposed in the 'native-lisp' directory so it will do the job for >> >> packaging the release. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> >> Build time for this target is on my machine ~ 1min 30sec. >> > >> > How does this compare to the rest of the build? >> >> make bootstrap on my dev machine (-j16) is ~ 3min 10 secs. > > I meant the time to build a release tarball, which should be much > shorter. Sorry for being unclear. Apologies on my side, I'm not very much into release tarball generation. If you specify what's the command you are referring to I can time it and report. BR Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2022 05:21:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 01:21:51 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55333 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oiUBj-0003Cj-Go for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:21:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiUBg-0003CV-KQ for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:21:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiUBa-0001Ic-Sx; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:21:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=xKCFJtquMoG+rGtdp5nsztuU7cXR36XDqhjWK9T7OEU=; b=C+F93xv/ks9m 9NKphggcKN5cFeZhHFrgbyLOOG+lcXY0REWbVcpmsk8M6Qc2AeReKliIIiTUDbVC4UXv8ZFUcyvtk d/2BnsGPdLwHzWfA8GsYULMxRQ5L09PgXKiFvTgU8xbRqzYd9tkaRxY8EfqY9rDn3lThSURM5TDQt T/7xmjFRKySWhtzFBq9tGDmhXCp1RbyzB8xctXziPVKRUvkmVXgMsZmhNE+Ns2kJh2Fclq822q4Tj N1Hu3UAh0GvkF9e1qKPg8HxzqWf4f+A0ue50cdyf2gu9L2+Sh8poIXltV09+HOyaA0v//l7A+hbAa WrkBw7fNbpYtwsXxrDXnlQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2110 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiUBa-0007ko-1l; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:21:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:21:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83wn95d3bi.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfzge2ytr4.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 20:45:19 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfzge2ytr4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 20:45:19 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > >> bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN > >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000 > >> > >> Okay 3744720904 adds 'trampolines' as target. The trampolines are > >> deposed in the 'native-lisp' directory so it will do the job for > >> packaging the release. > > > > Thanks. > > > >> Build time for this target is on my machine ~ 1min 30sec. > > > > How does this compare to the rest of the build? > > make bootstrap on my dev machine (-j16) is ~ 3min 10 secs. I meant the time to build a release tarball, which should be much shorter. Sorry for being unclear.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2022 20:45:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 11 16:45:31 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oiM82-0002JP-Ue for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:45:31 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:52181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1oiM7y-0002JD-HV for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:45:30 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29BKjJLg017292 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2022 20:45:20 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2022 22:29:04 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 20:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfzge2ytr4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, >> bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000 >> >> Okay 3744720904 adds 'trampolines' as target. The trampolines are >> deposed in the 'native-lisp' directory so it will do the job for >> packaging the release. > > Thanks. > >> Build time for this target is on my machine ~ 1min 30sec. > > How does this compare to the rest of the build? make bootstrap on my dev machine (-j16) is ~ 3min 10 secs. Andrea
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2022 19:29:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 11 15:29:04 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54896 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oiKw4-0006VN-J6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:29:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiKw0-0006Us-Lc for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiKvv-0005sc-Dy; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:28:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=p7xlx2c0yUXZN7HIP3DcCc+UmzXEAyV6YbBrvPKaGKU=; b=iGPgeYmabbyg Wg/7Vt9QwiQ5h4S8u4PROdQf21R8zNz2Fxmr1juxyKmKqXXmFKT0muN+P7bx4Rz0Qnp3ltAuH6OnQ sp/TjAcCtV4aO6nU4C371Z9R+etE2ZWG80LW7KZ/9h5FnB/Mhh7HF2O2SztVL5C4mYdZbwxaq77DJ 5R9ehtTTqF4PibobNbbNg9SvOvRG2XOKFnvWTmDEBLLRIv5Xe/CWh1N86ijGLfkhxiuNkU2YfeuQi sP2jAfUqDEboC6Qr9ak1+9XW1cLRxYBPjhlzftsTOPFGhEF8Fxdx8Te6IhBdUupSXEYmqS0IcCCLB +rNalmDUcxzQ/nK4eKDcbw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1591 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1oiKvt-00054x-Sg; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:28:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 22:29:04 +0300 Message-Id: <834jwadurj.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000 > > Okay 3744720904 adds 'trampolines' as target. The trampolines are > deposed in the 'native-lisp' directory so it will do the job for > packaging the release. Thanks. > Build time for this target is on my machine ~ 1min 30sec. How does this compare to the rest of the build?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2022 19:23:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 11 15:23:57 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oiKr7-0006Nd-Gp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:23:57 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1oiKr6-0006NV-33 for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:23:56 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29BJNsTU007468 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> (Andrea Corallo's message of "Sat, 08 Oct 2022 13:28:00 +0000") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:23:54 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfh70a17w5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> >>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:52:04 -0500 >>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >>> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 9:35 AM Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> wrote: >>> > >>> > > >>> > > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. >>> > >>> > The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, >>> > 1000+ maybe not so much. >>> > >>> >>> If this will mostly affect those building Windows binaries *for >>> redistribution*, perhaps it's not a big problem? Based on my own very >>> limited testing, it's fine for me. >> >> Right, so I think we need a special Makefile target to produce those >> compiled trampolines (something like "make trampolines"), and that >> target should be only used manually when building a binary >> distribution, not when building the release tarball for use on the >> same machine where it is built. >> >> Andrea, could you please come up with a patch for that? Thanks. > > Right, will do. > > Andrea Okay 3744720904 adds 'trampolines' as target. The trampolines are deposed in the 'native-lisp' directory so it will do the job for packaging the release. Build time for this target is on my machine ~ 1min 30sec. Andrea
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2022 14:29:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 08 10:29:01 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41133 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ohAop-0000Xx-OI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 10:29:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45490) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ohAoi-0000Xc-Q4 for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 10:28:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ohAob-0003m8-If; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 10:28:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hzXidJNVAQu255cI3oYZF2CgQNWSPdAHfRvTETfokrA=; b=j78edW4hFXFn ZMZda5APnTfYokpKW9cM8BzXg/pFBYW4fFTc0tWZjn5Yl7F2WW6UG+YgUnNnX4o2cUxiqP8GV1Tdz VE0CPeZr7mdxxZBUoZenBc4KsdwVvNO4lQ5fLyi+4c+TTBd12lSQqVInu99IEqHW0SBm854z6PiSH SRmsF2uFjnwuaU2j2ockGWr/XmfhrCAtOmnxuoOKUN7VtJTmClym8DOcdoJnLHvHMsegWmf/DDIgq HKmZ3Cboe+8s7ChBuK5hrN/x6b39qZ5mEfQjdv8dJeSth34Xx+n7Dt4Aau7pe26fmmznHIAmQ0JFp Y54fQVG84HIWHA39gOgEuA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2001 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ohAoZ-0008SQ-Ka; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 10:28:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 17:28:25 +0300 Message-Id: <83zge6jsom.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87fsfytqaa.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 08 Oct 2022 15:10:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7umtqwh.fsf@HIDDEN> <831qrilb5v.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsfytqaa.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, akrl@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, > 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 15:10:05 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> That leaves the question of what we should do with the Windows zip file > >> we (that is, Corwin) distributes, and I think we should avoid enabling > >> nativecomp in that build, so that it works on the widest range of > >> Windows machines. > > > > The Windows build with nativecomp is supposed to be fully workable on > > systems that don't have libgccjit, even if the libgccjit bundled with > > the zip file is not installed or deleted. If there are issues with > > that, they should be fixed, because we want to allow users to move > > Emacs from system top system without the optional libraries, and have > > a functional Emacs, like is already the case with image libraries. > > And my suggestion for achieving that is to not enable nativecomp in > this build. I don't agree. > Adding extra these extra mechanisms for Windows builds only seems to be > against the general GNU guidelines for non-free systems (as well as > adding an extra maintenance burden to an already complicated area, > because the code that finds and uses the extra pre-built trampolines > will have to be in the general comp.el code). The general mechanism already exists, and for a long time. We are just using it. Adding an optional library is boilerplate and quite easy. It's basically a non-issue. As for the specific issue of trampolines, I understand that compiling them is a simple command, and so also a non-issue.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2022 13:28:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 08 09:28:12 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38637 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oh9sC-0002So-A4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 09:28:12 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:55529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1oh9s8-0002Se-23 for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 09:28:11 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 298DS0TU017890 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:28:01 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2022 22:14:19 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> <83a667mook.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 13:28:00 +0000 Message-ID: <xjflepq1m3j.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:52:04 -0500 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 9:35 AM Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. >> > >> > The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, >> > 1000+ maybe not so much. >> > >> >> If this will mostly affect those building Windows binaries *for >> redistribution*, perhaps it's not a big problem? Based on my own very >> limited testing, it's fine for me. > > Right, so I think we need a special Makefile target to produce those > compiled trampolines (something like "make trampolines"), and that > target should be only used manually when building a binary > distribution, not when building the release tarball for use on the > same machine where it is built. > > Andrea, could you please come up with a patch for that? Thanks. Right, will do. Andrea
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That leaves the question of what we should do with the Windows zip file >> we (that is, Corwin) distributes, and I think we should avoid enabling >> nativecomp in that build, so that it works on th [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That leaves the question of what we should do with the Windows zip file >> we (that is, Corwin) distributes, and I think we should avoid enabling >> nativecomp in that build, so that it works on the widest range of >> Windows machines. > > The Windows build with nativecomp is supposed to be fully workable on > systems that don't have libgccjit, even if the libgccjit bundled with > the zip file is not installed or deleted. If there are issues with > that, they should be fixed, because we want to allow users to move > Emacs from system top system without the optional libraries, and have > a functional Emacs, like is already the case with image libraries. And my suggestion for achieving that is to not enable nativecomp in this build. Adding extra these extra mechanisms for Windows builds only seems to be against the general GNU guidelines for non-free systems (as well as adding an extra maintenance burden to an already complicated area, because the code that finds and uses the extra pre-built trampolines will have to be in the general comp.el code).
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That is, if > Cygwin (etc) distributes an Emacs with nativecomp, they will also > distribute libgccjit etc (i.e., all the prerequisites). It could be part of the scripts in admin/nt/dist-build instead, yes. > That leaves the question of what we should do with the Windows zip file > we (that is, Corwin) distributes, and I think we should avoid enabling > nativecomp in that build, so that it works on the widest range of > Windows machines. The Windows build with nativecomp is supposed to be fully workable on systems that don't have libgccjit, even if the libgccjit bundled with the zip file is not installed or deleted. If there are issues with that, they should be fixed, because we want to allow users to move Emacs from system top system without the optional libraries, and have a functional Emacs, like is already the case with image libraries.
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Right, so I think we need a special Makefile target to produce those > compiled trampolines (something like "make trampolines"), and that > target should be only used manually when building a binary [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Right, so I think we need a special Makefile target to produce those > compiled trampolines (something like "make trampolines"), and that > target should be only used manually when building a binary > distribution, not when building the release tarball for use on the > same machine where it is built. Yup. But I'm not sure this is something we should do, really -- it's extra work for something that is only important on non-free systems, and it will complicate the logic in general (since we'd probably need to add another directory for pre-built trampolines and manage those, etc). I think we should leave this up to people who do packaging. That is, if Cygwin (etc) distributes an Emacs with nativecomp, they will also distribute libgccjit etc (i.e., all the prerequisites). That leaves the question of what we should do with the Windows zip file we (that is, Corwin) distributes, and I think we should avoid enabling nativecomp in that build, so that it works on the widest range of Windows machines.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 17:15:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 13:15:47 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogqws-0000GT-Va for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:15:47 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:52294) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1ogqwn-0000GG-2d for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:15:45 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 297HFaOA000821 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:15:36 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83h70fmyg7.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2022 18:43:20 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSvrY2Jxbca2GPzTtF_+_NrT8bo+ob8BzsFKbnixyyMOQ@HIDDEN> <83h70fmyg7.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 17:15:36 +0000 Message-ID: <xjftu4f1rnr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:34:38 -0500 >> Cc: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> FWIW, It appeared to take around 12 minutes to build all trampolines >> starting from the "installed" Emacs that was the source for the 28.2 >> binary zips. > > Is that serially, i.e. using a single Emacs process at a time? The other (last?) option is to have one single .eln containing all trampolines. It should be very quick to compile, the downside is some more memory usage (we'd have to load and map this .eln when the first trampoline is requested). Andrea
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 15:52:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 11:52:22 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogpeA-0006e6-FL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from mail-oo1-f43.google.com ([209.85.161.43]:42562) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpe8-0006du-DR for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:52:20 -0400 Received: by mail-oo1-f43.google.com with SMTP id r15-20020a4abf0f000000b004761c7e6be1so3756238oop.9 for <58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=t9EuxI7KVBG/B2C1TmMwWLTMeOvXjXtySYEgX4OXNUw=; b=TptLhdIrPrpjYhD0wFEb4tdatTTkBHfbNCyJwdTwUPG09FSfyasNb2bgB5eqFI1KWs FqGPB4/7vH2UQ1EpY3kg6z0jX4u6BbqrN2Yn1Zl4yjyuEyTpMAkQ2d5xALVZZeD+YIdK MxR8uD8+cf0rTj6tzQ6phfSLJ6gmZo0tb6PDCHGEcycYNUy83RLmhU7SMjhcbehHscej 86Jz47uGF++f8ofDu02wf3p5Frc/mQuMj5qL2+Dg6lmRTosp+f3b8zZMhTYaOHIby4I0 7zbUxYrmeycaTxsJA6+XDickxvWgY2fGiuTnN0N6Pry72CFSIqMvTRiXSCo3bfaVXeCH jaxA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0Zw4AaJKxiBQvuh1cGj9ra6wNhXLIR+RPPMaBO6ktK/xpPPdny TmVCzbZ2dcSgSyMlcvKVX9DQzpxGW/JwBjwU3Ns= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6GVpMRLlYCYGyVU8o36ZFAQX1wbK7xvHiwaVMQAW3rwwtINRuZDMtBc3qSQbfSa6a0b8dXjEN0KdjuKDUbfNo= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6c47:0:b0:655:fd4d:5c38 with SMTP id g7-20020a9d6c47000000b00655fd4d5c38mr2332559otq.108.1665157934819; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:52:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <CAJf-WoSPkTpWV1==M8DFyroAjdZEyp3P7qcjoVumGPiZEhSqtw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 9:35 AM Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > > > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. > > The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, > 1000+ maybe not so much. > If this will mostly affect those building Windows binaries *for redistribution*, perhaps it's not a big problem? Based on my own very limited testing, it's fine for me.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 15:49:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 11:49:17 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogpbA-0006ZP-UQ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:49:17 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpb8-0006ZD-0z for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:49:15 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 297Fn9Gg013157 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 7 Oct 2022 15:49:09 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2022 18:27:47 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 15:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfy1tr1vnu.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:35:15 +0000 >> >> > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. >> >> The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, >> 1000+ maybe not so much. > > Can you time this and see how long it takes for, say, 50 trampolines? Yeah, unfortunately is not so fast. On my machine is about 0.2 seconds each trampoline. This would translate in about 5min to compile sequentially all trampolines AOT if I'm not mistaken. If someone else can repeat a similar measure that would be interesting. Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 15:34:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 11:34:57 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogpNI-00069F-Oi for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:34:57 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52]:35491) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpNG-000691-Ai for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:34:56 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-134072c15c1so2733655fac.2 for <58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=SL6S8RrRsT6bu0hJmDeC23TmbIR8MggKFqegNSVoz9s=; b=C69EunLivWMdnE/7bCrqmghbkV0vI4qSVmDfHB/WjaPmGO+ekEL0LHQO4rARg6Oilv Ew+bPedryh/oMdmI2c6CBTYR+Sk+eCFy710WJMUpR5/0nWddQGuKdMfrzPtVzVJlwtsh 15CmIh9z300hHMsnEbDD+fCWooHbmK22yQFWeJk8KGquLoTYa+fKBNKXiW9Che2tGWG+ WP7a72dXdwZ77slasde0Mvd23bAmgWWl3CUawOl8+5r+5B4hS2i13A/cy0cDL4LJAsxl NkIDYop4UbzqLWECkjfm//GgcY0WuZhER+abqVTX5nMNC+hOOCiRRLKj7cc1DQ1sJ2X3 2u0w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3wusU4K5EubD8JYM4ZbbZuWjHwXcjKt3O6gxJHMrRboEFpDtbp mhOAxnOmQWg2Lu1o5LUvRzQjH3w2pULYDSttGUE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7zvbr3BnrHOLtl/3ZE35fIMv306osKt97gMmSm7i1dBDIm1+6RkqVnG1o3ToP8IW4uhlOanu82XMZLf9A5OCM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:d785:b0:132:c513:bcb9 with SMTP id bd5-20020a056870d78500b00132c513bcb9mr8591668oab.271.1665156888748; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 08:34:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: <CAJf-WoSvrY2Jxbca2GPzTtF_+_NrT8bo+ob8BzsFKbnixyyMOQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 10:27 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, > > 1000+ maybe not so much. > > Can you time this and see how long it takes for, say, 50 trampolines? FWIW, It appeared to take around 12 minutes to build all trampolines starting from the "installed" Emacs that was the source for the 28.2 binary zips. I can't confirm if this resolves the problem; I haven't yet reproduced it.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 15:27:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 11:27:55 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37213 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogpGV-0005wy-4d for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:27:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpGT-0005wk-Hc for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:27:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpGO-0007DW-0P; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:27:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hngIgRF5DrcDjzGEkgyTE368fyW9lrhSMTv0XJb3tH8=; b=Uzmq2SvrUgPU OedT9AQmskpqCxd6WdrYcUsWCUMItPftfxlDv87RNo8ipfJRsXgzY3fv6MeYbDdyLP3n+bEdGzOa0 mF0GGzxr6vn+63b/zyJYcM7CI+pGUmh0+ZTa/mTjHxJ22CITEYaYEB3OHm5GIf5iKjKBFwSyPTKvE odaDKytgDBalb0UtKeo3Y7sdeZGaKzxzQkRt/FMNe1DkT3VE8CzurvK9sNlmyDkbQgX2WtntVwTUc 3h/h1TH7e+Mt7sSq7RiqsOileiDDKMfJY9hTYuldLTh/wDZ9THDG4rOuG/iFGMWhzSjQR+ucxxtVv pM42WFEURtdH/s7q3Z4A7g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4494 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogpGN-0003dO-G5; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:27:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 18:27:47 +0300 Message-Id: <83mta7mz64.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:35:15 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, > 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:35:15 +0000 > > > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. > > The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, > 1000+ maybe not so much. Can you time this and see how long it takes for, say, 50 trampolines?
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 14:35:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 10:35:23 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogoRe-0004UM-K2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 10:35:22 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:58073) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1ogoRd-0004UE-9b for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 10:35:21 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 297EZF1D021324 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 7 Oct 2022 14:35:15 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2022 17:03:53 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0zjn31y.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: <xjf35bz3dng.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:54:05 +0000 >> >> > How much will performance suffer if we use funcall? >> >> This is the usual 1 milion dollar question, we can run benchmarks but we >> are never sure of how much realistic they are. That said IME this is >> one of the most effective optimizations we have, funcall is a non >> trivial and relatively slow machine when executed at each function >> activation. > > OK, then let's go for precompiling all the trampolines AOT. The only downside might be build time, compiling a trampoline is quick, 1000+ maybe not so much. Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 13:54:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 09:54:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ognnm-0002rR-Q8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:54:11 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1ognnk-0002rI-Ps for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:54:09 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 297Ds5nu006444 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 7 Oct 2022 13:54:05 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW In-Reply-To: <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2022 16:48:16 +0300") References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfjzvnyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d1bomsv.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfilkv3j6f.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wn9bn69q.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfbkqn3hu0.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu4fn3rz.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:54:05 +0000 Message-ID: <xjf7d1b3fk2.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, >> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:04:55 +0000 >> >> > How is this relevant only to Windows? >> >> Windows is the only system where a native compiled Emacs can start even >> if libgccjit is not present. On GNU/Linux we get and error at load time >> from the dynamic linker in case. As a consequence on GNU/Linux Emacs is >> always capable of producing trampolines when needed. > > It could be that libgccjit is loaded but is incompatible or > something. So I'd prefer a general solution. > >> > And what do you mean by "disable direct calls from Lisp native code >> > into primitives"? I don't think I understand what this would do in >> > practice. >> >> Native compiled elisp calls directly into primitive functions not to go >> through funcall. For this reason when a primitive is redefined we need >> to produce a trampoline in order to forward these calls to the funcall >> machinery. If we disable all of this optimization the issue disappears >> but indeed that's not good from a performance point of view. > > How much will performance suffer if we use funcall? This is the usual 1 milion dollar question, we can run benchmarks but we are never sure of how much realistic they are. That said IME this is one of the most effective optimizations we have, funcall is a non trivial and relatively slow machine when executed at each function activation. Andrea
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On GNU/Linux we get and error at load time > from the dynamic linker in case. As a consequence on GNU/Linux Emacs is > always capable of producing trampolines when needed. It could be that libgccjit is loaded but is incompatible or something. So I'd prefer a general solution. > > And what do you mean by "disable direct calls from Lisp native code > > into primitives"? I don't think I understand what this would do in > > practice. > > Native compiled elisp calls directly into primitive functions not to go > through funcall. For this reason when a primitive is redefined we need > to produce a trampoline in order to forward these calls to the funcall > machinery. If we disable all of this optimization the issue disappears > but indeed that's not good from a performance point of view. How much will performance suffer if we use funcall? > Indeed the other option is to precompile all trampoline AOT when we know > libgccjit is available. It is actually very simple with something like: > > (mapatoms (λ (f) > (when (subr-primitive-p (symbol-function f)) > (or (comp-trampoline-search f) > (comp-trampoline-compile f))))) > > It was not consired worth as trampoline production is very quick, but > might be worth at least for Windows platforms for the discussed reason. If calling through funcall is too expensive, I think pre-compiling all the trampolines would indeed be the best solution, thanks.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@gma=
il.com,
>> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 12:35:52 +0000
>>
>> >> > Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what you meant by "if a compiler
>> >> > isn't present". By "the compiler" do you mean libgccjit, or is it =
GCC
>> >> > and Binutils (or maybe all 3 together)? IOW, are you talking about
>> >> > the ability to load existing *.eln files, or are you talking about =
the
>> >> > ability to both load existing *.eln files and produce new ones?
>> >>
>> >> I'm talking about trampolines, nothing else.
>> >
>> > Trampoline generation requires all the 3 components to be present,
>> > AFAIK. Andrea, am I right?
>>
>> AFAIU only libgccjit and Binutils are necessary, but libgccjit *is* GCC
>> (in the sense another frontend fo the GNU Compiler Collection). I
>> *think* gcc the binary (read the C frontend) should not be required.
>> But I don't know how distros package libgccjit and gcc, there might be
>> some dendency I'm not aware of.
>
> I didn't mean gcc, I meant cc1. But maybe libgccjit can play its
> role, I don't know.
>
>> > If it indeed doesn't work (and I wasn't aware it didn't work), we
>> > should try fixing it, if that is feasible.
>>
>> Yes because `yes-or-no-p' is a primitive, so with no trampolines its
>> redefinition is not functional.
>>
>> A quick ad-hoc fix for `yes-or-no-p' is attached. It does not have a
>> perf impact as `yes-or-no-p' will have to wait for the user input
>> anyway, if okay I can push it.
>
> What about other primitives? fset can be used for more than just this
> one.
>
>> Oherwise another strategy would be to disable direct calls from lisp
>> native code into primitives on Windows, this indeed has a performance
>> impact.
>
> How is this relevant only to Windows?
Windows is the only system where a native compiled Emacs can start even
if libgccjit is not present. On GNU/Linux we get and error at load time
from the dynamic linker in case. As a consequence on GNU/Linux Emacs is
always capable of producing trampolines when needed.
> And what do you mean by "disable direct calls from Lisp native code
> into primitives"? I don't think I understand what this would do in
> practice.
Native compiled elisp calls directly into primitive functions not to go
through funcall. For this reason when a primitive is redefined we need
to produce a trampoline in order to forward these calls to the funcall
machinery. If we disable all of this optimization the issue disappears
but indeed that's not good from a performance point of view.
Indeed the other option is to precompile all trampoline AOT when we know
libgccjit is available. It is actually very simple with something like:
(mapatoms (=CE=BB (f)
(when (subr-primitive-p (symbol-function f))
(or (comp-trampoline-search f)
(comp-trampoline-compile f)))))
It was not consired worth as trampoline production is very quick, but
might be worth at least for Windows platforms for the discussed reason.
Andrea
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > How is this relevant only to Windows? It's relevant to our binary Windows distribution. 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It's relevant to our binary Windows distribution. GNU/Linux distributions will make gcc (and the rest) a prerequisite to installing the emacs-nativecomp package (or whatever they'll be calling it), so it's not an issue there.
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By "the compiler" do you mean libgccjit, or is it GCC > >> > and Binutils (or maybe all 3 together)? IOW, are you talking about > >> > the ability to load existing *.eln files, or are you talking about the > >> > ability to both load existing *.eln files and produce new ones? > >> > >> I'm talking about trampolines, nothing else. > > > > Trampoline generation requires all the 3 components to be present, > > AFAIK. Andrea, am I right? > > AFAIU only libgccjit and Binutils are necessary, but libgccjit *is* GCC > (in the sense another frontend fo the GNU Compiler Collection). I > *think* gcc the binary (read the C frontend) should not be required. > But I don't know how distros package libgccjit and gcc, there might be > some dendency I'm not aware of. I didn't mean gcc, I meant cc1. But maybe libgccjit can play its role, I don't know. > > If it indeed doesn't work (and I wasn't aware it didn't work), we > > should try fixing it, if that is feasible. > > Yes because `yes-or-no-p' is a primitive, so with no trampolines its > redefinition is not functional. > > A quick ad-hoc fix for `yes-or-no-p' is attached. It does not have a > perf impact as `yes-or-no-p' will have to wait for the user input > anyway, if okay I can push it. What about other primitives? fset can be used for more than just this one. > Oherwise another strategy would be to disable direct calls from lisp > native code into primitives on Windows, this indeed has a performance > impact. How is this relevant only to Windows? And what do you mean by "disable direct calls from Lisp native code into primitives"? I don't think I understand what this would do in practice.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > A quick ad-hoc fix for `yes-or-no-p' is attached. It does not have a > perf impact as `yes-or-no-p' will have to wait for the user input > anyway, if okay I can push it. 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It does not have a > perf impact as `yes-or-no-p' will have to wait for the user input > anyway, if okay I can push it. There's nothing special about yes-or-no-p -- I only used that as an example. The same problem exists for (almost) all built-in functions. > Oherwise another strategy would be to disable direct calls from lisp > native code into primitives on Windows, this indeed has a performance > impact. Yes, that would not be ideal.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN>, corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN,
>> 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:04:57 +0200
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> > Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what you meant by "if a compiler
>> > isn't present". By "the compiler" do you mean libgccjit, or is it GCC
>> > and Binutils (or maybe all 3 together)? IOW, are you talking about
>> > the ability to load existing *.eln files, or are you talking about the
>> > ability to both load existing *.eln files and produce new ones?
>>
>> I'm talking about trampolines, nothing else.
>
> Trampoline generation requires all the 3 components to be present,
> AFAIK. Andrea, am I right?
AFAIU only libgccjit and Binutils are necessary, but libgccjit *is* GCC
(in the sense another frontend fo the GNU Compiler Collection). I
*think* gcc the binary (read the C frontend) should not be required.
But I don't know how distros package libgccjit and gcc, there might be
some dendency I'm not aware of.
>> > The startup code currently detects that libgccjit is unavailable or
>> > cannot be loaded, and if so, disables all the aspects of
>> > native-compilation: both JIT compilation of *.el and production of the
>> > trampolines. I'm not aware that when we disable those two, we get
>> > Emacs that is not "fully functional".
>>
>> If native compilation is disabled in a native-compiled Emacs, then
>>
>> (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p)
>>
>> doesn't work (for calls to `yes-or-no-p' in native-compiled code).
>> That's what I meant by "not fully functional".
>
> If it indeed doesn't work (and I wasn't aware it didn't work), we
> should try fixing it, if that is feasible.
Yes because `yes-or-no-p' is a primitive, so with no trampolines its
redefinition is not functional.
A quick ad-hoc fix for `yes-or-no-p' is attached. It does not have a
perf impact as `yes-or-no-p' will have to wait for the user input
anyway, if okay I can push it.
Oherwise another strategy would be to disable direct calls from lisp
native code into primitives on Windows, this indeed has a performance
impact.
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filename=0001-Add-yes-or-no-p-to-native-comp-never-optimize-functi.patch
From a6d736d532e20b6763a7ff1995f952fc293886dd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 12:28:51 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] * Add `yes-or-no-p' to
`native-comp-never-optimize-functions'.
* lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el (native-comp-never-optimize-functions): Add
`yes-or-no-p'.
---
lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
index 5ee10fcbca2..2812e53bcc2 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
@@ -104,7 +104,7 @@ native-comp-never-optimize-functions
'(;; The following two are mandatory for Emacs to be working
;; correctly (see comment in `advice--add-function'). DO NOT
;; REMOVE.
- macroexpand rename-buffer)
+ macroexpand rename-buffer yes-or-no-p)
"Primitive functions to exclude from trampoline optimization."
:type '(repeat symbol)
:version "28.1")
--
2.35.1.577.g74cc1aa55f
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm sorry, I don't follow you. If trampolines can't be installed, then >> Emacs isn't fully functional, because you can't say >> >> (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) >> >> and have that be respected. I [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm sorry, I don't follow you. If trampolines can't be installed, then >> Emacs isn't fully functional, because you can't say >> >> (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) >> >> and have that be respected. I.e., the non-functional bit is about >> redefinitions of built-in functions, which is pretty basic functionality >> in Emacs. > > Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what you meant by "if a compiler > isn't present". By "the compiler" do you mean libgccjit, or is it GCC > and Binutils (or maybe all 3 together)? IOW, are you talking about > the ability to load existing *.eln files, or are you talking about the > ability to both load existing *.eln files and produce new ones? I'm talking about trampolines, nothing else. > The startup code currently detects that libgccjit is unavailable or > cannot be loaded, and if so, disables all the aspects of > native-compilation: both JIT compilation of *.el and production of the > trampolines. I'm not aware that when we disable those two, we get > Emacs that is not "fully functional". If native compilation is disabled in a native-compiled Emacs, then (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) doesn't work (for calls to `yes-or-no-p' in native-compiled code). That's what I meant by "not fully functional".
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 11:59:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 07:59:52 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34570 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogm19-0003pu-Sw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 07:59:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogm17-0003pg-Oy for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 07:59:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogm10-000680-Bv; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 07:59:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rw2YM7Wya3+dDNb7/X4aG8vfWCB6PHVZ4P+eW0OS3R8=; b=YqC1W//16KBE gFkqll77ShKaMCvtQfd/SuHTSYAsmWubh0jlnCG/I+XIunBtZUSg8mzS/bhMKCzT7gdshWQ43MNDN o9EQ2/GmtdlA7liq1Y5ROVv2xMLZZdjXfvrsNLw7KRlYR9bvvhsnbCcUYVh2rFxzJRbOBAY2GSdcl cZji+B69LjB8SLZrmVbEUOx658+UNfqjSTvhd+OZUei1cfjoWmXj9V2GUzodahFYakXVL4Qiz1Kaa pLO1UHVYfE9Uc4MGa4/CpQHUJROkYek+kPG7ZOwJ76Hcx2q+iBS9berdPrvqaZhSuSSNEdTtG/OVg HOOS2ORVAz7nBLLtAHhcCg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3444 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ogm0z-0002vl-Le; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 07:59:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:59:38 +0300 Message-Id: <83edvjondh.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:42:15 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> <87zge9w049.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k05dovwq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a667x3l4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:42:15 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> It shouldn't try to compile .el(c) files, but it needs the compiler to > >> make trampolines to redefine built-in functions. So a nativecomp Emacs > >> isn't fully functional if a compiler isn't present. > > > > No, the last conclusion incorrect. See my other mail in this thread. > > I'm sorry, I don't follow you. If trampolines can't be installed, then > Emacs isn't fully functional, because you can't say > > (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) > > and have that be respected. I.e., the non-functional bit is about > redefinitions of built-in functions, which is pretty basic functionality > in Emacs. Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what you meant by "if a compiler isn't present". By "the compiler" do you mean libgccjit, or is it GCC and Binutils (or maybe all 3 together)? IOW, are you talking about the ability to load existing *.eln files, or are you talking about the ability to both load existing *.eln files and produce new ones? The startup code currently detects that libgccjit is unavailable or cannot be loaded, and if so, disables all the aspects of native-compilation: both JIT compilation of *.el and production of the trampolines. I'm not aware that when we disable those two, we get Emacs that is not "fully functional". Andrea, am I missing something? The problem in this bug is that libgccjit _is_ available, but somehow is not functional when actually used. (The details are still sketchy and not understood well enough.) This situation might not be supported yet, but when we understand it well enough, we should make Emacs behave the same as when libgccjit is unavailable (perhaps with some more specific message in *Messages*), because nothing else makes sense.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
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Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2;
Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW
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> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 08:09:16 -0500
> Cc: Bartosz Bubak <bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>
> If, per the configuration reported when generating this bug report,
> Emacs can see libgccjit is not available, then should Emacs still be
> trying to native compile org-entitles in this case?
No, it should disable that in startup.el:
(when (featurep 'native-compile)
(unless (native-comp-available-p)
;; Disable deferred async compilation and trampoline synthesis
;; in this session. This is necessary if libgccjit is not
;; available on MS-Windows, but Emacs was built with
;; native-compilation support.
(setq native-comp-deferred-compilation nil
comp-enable-subr-trampolines nil))
But libgccjit DLL _is_ available in this case, so maybe the test
doesn't discover the problem.
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Content preview: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> writes: > It looks from this that Emacs doesn't find (a complete) GCC kit for > use with GCC, so your Emacs should be loading ELN files shipped with > the release but not trying to compile any new ones, I thi [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Bartosz Bubak <bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN>, 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> writes: > It looks from this that Emacs doesn't find (a complete) GCC kit for > use with GCC, so your Emacs should be loading ELN files shipped with > the release but not trying to compile any new ones, I think? > > Unfortunately, that just makes the "Error: Internal native compiler > error failed to compile" even more of a mystery: It shouldn't try to compile .el(c) files, but it needs the compiler to make trampolines to redefine built-in functions. So a nativecomp Emacs isn't fully functional if a compiler isn't present. To check whether this is what's happening in this case, try to say: (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) You should get a file called something like subr--trampoline-7965732d6f722d6e6f2d70_yes_or_no_p_0.eln in your eln-cache directory. If this leads to that mysterious error message, then that's probably what's happening here.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58318) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2022 13:09:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 06 09:09:38 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59375 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ogQd8-0006db-1t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 09:09:38 -0400 Received: from mail-oo1-f43.google.com ([209.85.161.43]:45963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1ogQd6-0006dL-1x for 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 09:09:36 -0400 Received: by mail-oo1-f43.google.com with SMTP id s1-20020a4a81c1000000b0047d5e28cdc0so1333815oog.12 for <58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 06:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Zn6BgP9u3NiZNln0tbqy7JIJHpaJzqY1cE4WAbs9mJ4=; b=Lli3xKJtuKM/SfHLBCZ8MUBk2cFJJQe7UJWXSlx04qDji6d+99NywOmdKJDwwl27jW mtpiJoj/YbpXZOZwBYYKSOZZDQ90We2RoaHOIBHBjlQdQlmU7L4LeU4WuSBk/N42tZ9S TTrRVjzZ/N3OtmsJnVh9neCJYbevGVqQSRQezAqEPORn7tsc+bUCYf1Fh8mBudOyGXfO gDomURS/RJG2AcqgKp+RViSACrX2HcvVqO5k+0MjnXYlhq1v3OF6WmBVtH6tSMsLG//q MBPnxQkwoXSUHrp+lle7DCNBPV6vWnM54W+3tZtgzFi4rRXhBUnL6f4aPt9Q/40UEf9p z8xA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0yb9eoomaYVYIABqm++nX8LNC3yDt5bWfBZ58rXI8dKz+9e6aT wioC4fZ7as5FYHKk8vPaHt5Xi1o4XsmQJ0ceLom8J7fgX10= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6bowkLf1mOLHXGarwOFeKJCB3UOZBy5wl23w5FyydEgvdu7VI9WTH5LAtmJ4ZzVcDQKyIkUNMg8Fj/HGEINrs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:208e:b0:65a:c07:cca0 with SMTP id y14-20020a056830208e00b0065a0c07cca0mr1810361otq.65.1665061767927; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAFH7cOoWpRiPb3QWSpdvm3gTMWAVO=mN8DgrxVVjZJewrXqReg@HIDDEN> <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <835ygxsdyu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 08:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: <CAJf-WoRbE4BknoYRv-0fxmF8N7DQzZuEV869bXNRjc374anp3w@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58318: 28.2; Emacs installed from package won't work with MinGW To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58318 Cc: 58318 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Bartosz Bubak <bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 12:44 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > From: Bartosz Bubak <bartosz.bubak@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 18:01:00 +0200 > > > > When installing Emacs using the installer (emacs-28.2-installer.exe), > > by default it adds the compiler and libraries (gcc and libgccjit) > > to the ./bin directory without prompting the user for his opinion. I'm confused. With one exception, I do not think that we provide GCC with Emacs binaries for windows. We *do* provide libgcc_s_seh-1.dll but we do not provide, e.g. gcc.exe, as.exe, etc. > > > > The problem appears when another compiler is already installed in the > > system, eg. from MinGW. Emacs then tries to use the libraries from PATH > > instead of those installed in its subdirectories: > > > > Warning (comp): c: /tools/emacs/share/emacs/28.2/lisp/org/org-entities.el: > > Error: Internal native compiler error failed to compile > > Warning (comp): C: \\ ProgramData \\ chocolatey \\ lib \\ mingw \\ tools \\ > > install \\ mingw64 \\ bin \\ libgccjit-0.dll: error: error invoking gcc > > driver It does make sense to me that having two different versions of GCC both findable on the Windows path could be problematic (although I don't see how the Emacs installer could be responsible for installing any of them). > > > > When I tried to find a solution to the problem, I found something like > > this: > > > > M-: (executable-find "gcc") RET > > "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/gcc.exe > > M-: (executable-find "as") RET > > "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/as.exe" > > etc, etc > > > > But should be: > > C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\gcc.exe > > C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\as.exe That's very odd -- looking at the "install" folder created when I built and packaged the emacs-28 binaries I can't find either of those files: corwi@Avalon MINGW64 /d/emacs-build/install/emacs-28.2 $ (cd /d/emacs-build/install/emacs-28.2; ls -Rl | grep 'as.exe') corwi@Avalon MINGW64 /d/emacs-build/install/emacs-28.2 $ (cd /d/emacs-build/install/emacs-28.2; ls -Rl | grep 'gcc') -rwxr-xr-x 1 corwi corwi 84147 Feb 20 2022 libgcc_s_seh-1.dll -rw-r--r-- 1 corwi corwi 10282 Sep 6 16:31 gcc.el -rw-r--r-- 1 corwi corwi 4680 Sep 6 18:05 gcc.elc > > > > The only solution I have found so far is to uninstall the "global" > > MinGW, then emacs uses the embedded libraries and everything is fine. > > > > In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) > > of 2022-09-13 built on AVALON > > Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000 > > System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.22000.978) > > > > Configured using: > > 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation > > --without-compress-install CFLAGS=-O2' > > > > Configured features: > > ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP > > NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS > > XPM ZLIB > > > > (NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available) It looks from this that Emacs doesn't find (a complete) GCC kit for use with GCC, so your Emacs should be loading ELN files shipped with the release but not trying to compile any new ones, I think? Unfortunately, that just makes the "Error: Internal native compiler error failed to compile" even more of a mystery: Eli, If, per the configuration reported when generating this bug report, Emacs can see libgccjit is not available, then should Emacs still be trying to native compile org-entitles in this case? > > > > Important settings: > > value of $LANG: PLK > > locale-coding-system: cp1250 > > Corwin, are you reading this? Yes, I am now. Thank you. > > I admit I don't have a clear idea of why the problem happens. Is the > libgccjit and/or GCC and/or Binutils distributed by chocolatey somehow > incompatible with the ones you include in the installer? Because if > they are compatible, just removing the GCC/Binutils stuff bundled with > the Emacs installer should have solved the issue (and then providing > an option in the installer not to install the bundled GCC would be a > way towards solving this). And yet the OP seems to say (AFAIU) that > this didn't help, and only uninstalling the chocolatey GCC/Binutils > did. We cannot possibly ask users to uninstall their existing > development environment when installing Emacs. I'm not aware of any incompatibilities but I'm not a chocolatey user. I'll need to do some experimentation. I'd be happy to add/adjust installer options. Would we (probably most simply?) add an option where we can "uncheck" installing all of the deps? If not, what else would the new option suppress installing (beside libgcc_s_seh-1.dll)? > > I think someone should try installing the chocolatey distribution and > see whether the binaries from the GNU FTP site can work with its > libgccjit. Because I'm not sure I understand what happens in this > case, even though I asked several times. If indeed there's > incompatibility, I'd be interested to know why (I have no idea how > chocolatey builds its GCC). If that is not solvable, we should > probably say that people with chocolatey installation should not > install Emacs binaries with native-compilation enabled. I'll get the machine I'm using to test release binaries going on this today after work and report back with any success I have reproducing/researching. Others' findings would be most welcome if anyone else is experimenting with this too.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
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Emacs then tries to use the libraries from PATH > instead of those installed in its subdirectories: > > Warning (comp): c: /tools/emacs/share/emacs/28.2/lisp/org/org-entities.el: > Error: Internal native compiler error failed to compile > Warning (comp): C: \\ ProgramData \\ chocolatey \\ lib \\ mingw \\ tools \\ > install \\ mingw64 \\ bin \\ libgccjit-0.dll: error: error invoking gcc > driver > > When I tried to find a solution to the problem, I found something like > this: > > M-: (executable-find "gcc") RET > "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/gcc.exe > M-: (executable-find "as") RET > "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/as.exe" > etc, etc > > But should be: > C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\gcc.exe > C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\as.exe > > The only solution I have found so far is to uninstall the "global" > MinGW, then emacs uses the embedded libraries and everything is fine. > > In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) > of 2022-09-13 built on AVALON > Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000 > System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.22000.978) > > Configured using: > 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation > --without-compress-install CFLAGS=-O2' > > Configured features: > ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP > NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS > XPM ZLIB > > (NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available) > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: PLK > locale-coding-system: cp1250 Corwin, are you reading this? I admit I don't have a clear idea of why the problem happens. Is the libgccjit and/or GCC and/or Binutils distributed by chocolatey somehow incompatible with the ones you include in the installer? Because if they are compatible, just removing the GCC/Binutils stuff bundled with the Emacs installer should have solved the issue (and then providing an option in the installer not to install the bundled GCC would be a way towards solving this). And yet the OP seems to say (AFAIU) that this didn't help, and only uninstalling the chocolatey GCC/Binutils did. We cannot possibly ask users to uninstall their existing development environment when installing Emacs. I think someone should try installing the chocolatey distribution and see whether the binaries from the GNU FTP site can work with its libgccjit. Because I'm not sure I understand what happens in this case, even though I asked several times. If indeed there's incompatibility, I'd be interested to know why (I have no idea how chocolatey builds its GCC). If that is not solvable, we should probably say that people with chocolatey installation should not install Emacs binaries with native-compilation enabled.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58318; Package emacs.
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The problem appears when another compiler is already installed in the system, eg. from MinGW. Emacs then tries to use the libraries from PATH instead of those installed in its subdirectories: Warning (comp): c: /tools/emacs/share/emacs/28.2/lisp/org/org-entities.el: Error: Internal native compiler error failed to compile Warning (comp): C: \\ ProgramData \\ chocolatey \\ lib \\ mingw \\ tools \\ install \\ mingw64 \\ bin \\ libgccjit-0.dll: error: error invoking gcc driver When I tried to find a solution to the problem, I found something like this: M-: (executable-find "gcc") RET "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/gcc.exe M-: (executable-find "as") RET "c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/as.exe" etc, etc But should be: C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\gcc.exe C:\Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\as.exe The only solution I have found so far is to uninstall the "global" MinGW, then emacs uses the embedded libraries and everything is fine. In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2022-09-13 built on AVALON Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.22000.978) Configured using: 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install CFLAGS=-O2' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XPM ZLIB (NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available) Important settings: value of $LANG: PLK locale-coding-system: cp1250 Major mode: Org Minor modes in effect: override-global-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug sendmail org-mobile ffap tmm diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-iso face-remap org-agenda org-refile org-clock mule-util cal-move org-element avl-tree generator ol-eww eww xdg url-queue mm-url ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect gnus-search eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum shr kinsoku svg dom gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo parse-time gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus nnheader gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mail-utils mm-util mail-prsvr ol-docview doc-view jka-compr image-mode exif ol-bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs which-key lsp-pyright lsp-mode comp comp-cstr warnings lsp-protocol yasnippet xref project tree-widget wid-edit spinner pcase network-stream puny nsm rmc markdown-mode color thingatpt lv inline imenu ht filenotify f f-shortdoc shortdoc s ewoc epg rfc6068 epg-config dash compile text-property-search org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color ring org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table oc-basic bibtex iso8601 time-date ol rx org-keys oc org-compat advice org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec find-func cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs command-log-mode cl-extra help-mode use-package use-package-ensure use-package-delight use-package-diminish use-package-bind-key bind-key easy-mmode use-package-core finder-inf edmacro kmacro wombat-theme info package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 497677 139781) (symbols 48 38406 9) (strings 32 164117 43025) (string-bytes 1 4805171) (vectors 16 75523) (vector-slots 8 1608377 199020) (floats 8 434 411) (intervals 56 3060 1085) (buffers 992 27)) --00000000000079bd3205ea4baf1d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>When installing Emacs using the inst= aller (emacs-28.2-installer.exe),<br></div><div>by default it adds the comp= iler and libraries (gcc and libgccjit)</div><div>to the ./bin directory wit= hout prompting the user for his opinion.</div><div><br></div><div>The probl= em appears when another compiler is already installed in the</div><div>syst= em, eg. from MinGW. Emacs then tries to use the libraries from PATH</div><d= iv>instead of those installed in its subdirectories:</div><div><br></div><d= iv>Warning (comp): c: /tools/emacs/share/emacs/28.2/lisp/org/org-entities.e= l:</div><div>Error: Internal native compiler error failed to compile</div><= div>Warning (comp): C: \\ ProgramData \\ chocolatey \\ lib \\ mingw \\ tool= s \\</div><div>install \\ mingw64 \\ bin \\ libgccjit-0.dll: error: error i= nvoking gcc</div><div>driver</div><div><br></div><div>When I tried to find = a solution to the problem, I found something like</div><div>this:</div><div= ><br></div><div>M-: (executable-find "gcc") RET</div><div>"c= :/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/gcc.exe</div><div>M-: (executable-find "a= s") RET</div><div>"c:/ProgramData/chocolatey/bin/as.exe"</di= v><div>etc, etc</div><div><br></div><div>But=C2=A0 should be:</div><div>C:\= Program Files\Emacs\emacs-28.2\bin\gcc.exe</div><div>C:\Program Files\Emacs= \emacs-28.2\bin\as.exe</div><div><br></div><div>The only solution I have fo= und so far is to uninstall the "global"</div><div>MinGW, then ema= cs uses the embedded libraries and everything is fine.</div><div><br></div>= <div><br></div><div>In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32)</div><d= iv>=C2=A0of 2022-09-13 built on AVALON</div><div>Windowing system distribut= or 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000</div><div>System Descripti= on: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.22000.978)</div><div><br></div><di= v>Configured using:</div><div>=C2=A0'configure --with-modules --without= -dbus --with-native-compilation</div><div>=C2=A0--without-compress-install = CFLAGS=3D-O2'</div><div><br></div><div>Configured features:</div><div>A= CL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP</div= ><div>NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_B= ARS</div><div>XPM ZLIB</div><div><br></div><div>(NATIVE_COMP present but li= bgccjit not available)</div><div><br></div><div>Important settings:</div><d= iv>=C2=A0 value of $LANG: PLK</div><div>=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: cp1250= </div><div><br></div><div>Major mode: Org</div><div><br></div><div>Minor mo= des in effect:</div><div>=C2=A0 override-global-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 gl= obal-eldoc-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 show-paren-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 ele= ctric-indent-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 = file-name-shadow-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t</div><di= v>=C2=A0 font-lock-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t</div><div>= =C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t</d= iv><div>=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 line-number-mode: = t</div><div>=C2=A0 indent-tabs-mode: t</div><div>=C2=A0 transient-mark-mode= : t</div><div><br></div><div>Load-path shadows:</div><div>None found.</div>= <div><br></div><div>Features:</div><div>(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug sen= dmail org-mobile ffap tmm diary-lib</div><div>diary-loaddefs cal-iso face-r= emap org-agenda org-refile org-clock</div><div>mule-util cal-move org-eleme= nt avl-tree generator ol-eww eww xdg</div><div>url-queue mm-url ol-rmail ol= -mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect</div><div>gnus-search eieio-opt speedb= ar ezimage dframe gnus-art mm-uu mml2015</div><div>mm-view mml-smime smime = dig gnus-sum shr kinsoku svg dom gnus-group</div><div>gnus-undo gnus-start = gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail</div><div>mail-source utf7 netr= c nnoo parse-time gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range</div><div>message rfc822 mm= l mml-sec epa derived mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode</div><div>mail-parse rf= c2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus</div><div>nnheader gnus= -util rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums</div><div>mail-utils = mm-util mail-prsvr ol-docview doc-view jka-compr image-mode</div><div>exif = ol-bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi dired-aux dired</div><div>dire= d-loaddefs which-key lsp-pyright lsp-mode comp comp-cstr warnings</div><div= >lsp-protocol yasnippet xref project tree-widget wid-edit spinner pcase</di= v><div>network-stream puny nsm rmc markdown-mode color thingatpt lv inline<= /div><div>imenu ht filenotify f f-shortdoc shortdoc s ewoc epg rfc6068 epg-= config</div><div>dash compile text-property-search org ob ob-tangle ob-ref = ob-lob</div><div>ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint o= rg-pcomplete</div><div>pcomplete comint ansi-color ring org-list org-faces = org-entities</div><div>noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core o= b-eval org-table</div><div>oc-basic bibtex iso8601 time-date ol rx org-keys= oc org-compat advice</div><div>org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec find-func= cal-menu calendar</div><div>cal-loaddefs command-log-mode cl-extra help-mo= de use-package</div><div>use-package-ensure use-package-delight use-package= -diminish</div><div>use-package-bind-key bind-key easy-mmode use-package-co= re finder-inf</div><div>edmacro kmacro wombat-theme info package browse-url= url url-proxy</div><div>url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url= -cookie url-domsuf</div><div>url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-s= ource cl-seq eieio</div><div>eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cac= he json subr-x map</div><div>url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile= cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib</div><div>iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric= uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks</div><div>lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel d= os-w32 ls-lisp disp-table</div><div>term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/comm= on-win tool-bar dnd fontset image</div><div>regexp-opt fringe tabulated-lis= t replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode</div><div>prog-mode register page = tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu</div><div>timer select scroll= -bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core</div><div>term/tty-colors fr= ame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang</div><div>misc-lang viet= namese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms</div><div>cp51932= hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian</div><div>cyri= llic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table</div><div>e= pa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice</div>= <div>button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties</= div><div>overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget</= div><div>hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 mul= ti-tty</div><div>make-network-process native-compile emacs)</div><div><br><= /div><div>Memory information:</div><div>((conses 16 497677 139781)</div><di= v>=C2=A0(symbols 48 38406 9)</div><div>=C2=A0(strings 32 164117 43025)</div= ><div>=C2=A0(string-bytes 1 4805171)</div><div>=C2=A0(vectors 16 75523)</di= v><div>=C2=A0(vector-slots 8 1608377 199020)</div><div>=C2=A0(floats 8 434 = 411)</div><div>=C2=A0(intervals 56 3060 1085)</div><div>=C2=A0(buffers 992 = 27))</div><div><br></div></div></div> --00000000000079bd3205ea4baf1d--
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