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Severity: wishlist

[Spun out from Bug#58486.]

Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

> It's already handled by auto-mode-alist:
>
>   (defvar auto-mode-alist
>        ...
>        ;; .dir-locals.el is not really Elisp.  Could use the
>        ;; `dir-locals-file' constant if it weren't defined below.
>        ("\\.dir-locals\\(?:-2\\)?\\.el\\'" . lisp-data-mode)

It's nice if we can use the "*.eld" extension for files that are not
supposed to be executed.  But it's hard to just change that outright, as
a file ".dir-locals.eld" won't be used on old versions of Emacs.

So how about doing something like the below, as a future compatibility
patch?  Then, in some undefined future version, we can consider creating
".dir-locals.eld" files by default, instead.

diff --git a/lisp/files.el b/lisp/files.el
index 94d110f0b7..bfd1e5e8e1 100644
--- a/lisp/files.el
+++ b/lisp/files.el
@@ -4403,11 +4403,14 @@ dir-locals--all-files
                                         (dosified-file-name dir-locals-file)
                                       dir-locals-file)
                                     directory))
-           (file-2 (when (string-match "\\.el\\'" file-1)
+           (is-el (string-match (rx ".el" eos) file-1))
+           (file-2 (when is-el
                      (replace-match "-2.el" t nil file-1)))
           (out nil))
       ;; The order here is important.
-      (dolist (f (list file-2 file-1))
+      ;; Support *.eld files, too.
+      (dolist (f (list (and is-el (concat file-2 "d")) file-2
+                       (and is-el (concat file-1 "d")) file-1))
         (when (and f
                    (file-readable-p f)
                    ;; FIXME: Aren't file-regular-p and

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> Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>,
>  Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:22:23 +0200
> 
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> [Spun out from Bug#58486.]
> 
> Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > It's already handled by auto-mode-alist:
> >
> >   (defvar auto-mode-alist
> >        ...
> >        ;; .dir-locals.el is not really Elisp.  Could use the
> >        ;; `dir-locals-file' constant if it weren't defined below.
> >        ("\\.dir-locals\\(?:-2\\)?\\.el\\'" . lisp-data-mode)
> 
> It's nice if we can use the "*.eld" extension for files that are not
> supposed to be executed.  But it's hard to just change that outright, as
> a file ".dir-locals.eld" won't be used on old versions of Emacs.
> 
> So how about doing something like the below, as a future compatibility
> patch?  Then, in some undefined future version, we can consider creating
> ".dir-locals.eld" files by default, instead.
> 
> diff --git a/lisp/files.el b/lisp/files.el
> index 94d110f0b7..bfd1e5e8e1 100644
> --- a/lisp/files.el
> +++ b/lisp/files.el
> @@ -4403,11 +4403,14 @@ dir-locals--all-files
>                                          (dosified-file-name dir-locals-file)
>                                        dir-locals-file)
>                                      directory))
> -           (file-2 (when (string-match "\\.el\\'" file-1)
> +           (is-el (string-match (rx ".el" eos) file-1))
> +           (file-2 (when is-el
>                       (replace-match "-2.el" t nil file-1)))
>            (out nil))
>        ;; The order here is important.
> -      (dolist (f (list file-2 file-1))
> +      ;; Support *.eld files, too.
> +      (dolist (f (list (and is-el (concat file-2 "d")) file-2
> +                       (and is-el (concat file-1 "d")) file-1))

This conses 2 strings, which is a pity, because this code is called a
lot.  Can this be done without so much consing for such a simple job?

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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:

> So how about doing something like the below, as a future compatibility
> patch?  Then, in some undefined future version, we can consider creating
> ".dir-locals.eld" files by default, instead.

It sort of makes sense to me, but if we're doing a name change, I'd
rather make it a functional change, too.

It's been pointed out many times that the .dir-locals.el file format is
bad -- it's not extensible, and many things have been proposed for extra
functionality that's impossible to add today.

(For instance -- variables set before the major mode happens, and adding
to list variables.)

So if we introduce .dir-locals.eld, we should take the opportunity to
add a brand new, sensible, extensible syntax, too.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> So if we introduce .dir-locals.eld, we should take the opportunity to
> add a brand new, sensible, extensible syntax, too.

That makes sense.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> diff --git a/lisp/files.el b/lisp/files.el
>> index 94d110f0b7..bfd1e5e8e1 100644
>> --- a/lisp/files.el
>> +++ b/lisp/files.el
>> @@ -4403,11 +4403,14 @@ dir-locals--all-files
>>                                          (dosified-file-name dir-locals-file)
>>                                        dir-locals-file)
>>                                      directory))
>> -           (file-2 (when (string-match "\\.el\\'" file-1)
>> +           (is-el (string-match (rx ".el" eos) file-1))
>> +           (file-2 (when is-el
>>                       (replace-match "-2.el" t nil file-1)))
>>            (out nil))
>>        ;; The order here is important.
>> -      (dolist (f (list file-2 file-1))
>> +      ;; Support *.eld files, too.
>> +      (dolist (f (list (and is-el (concat file-2 "d")) file-2
>> +                       (and is-el (concat file-1 "d")) file-1))
>
> This conses 2 strings, which is a pity, because this code is called a
> lot.  Can this be done without so much consing for such a simple job?

Actually, 2 strings are already consed up, so this brings it up to 4.

How about something like this instead?  It brings us down to 0, as long
as users don't mess with the value of `dir-locals-file'.  Maybe it's
even worth installing even if we don't add support for *.eld?

diff --git a/lisp/files.el b/lisp/files.el
index 94d110f0b7..dedf9c4848 100644
--- a/lisp/files.el
+++ b/lisp/files.el
@@ -4393,27 +4393,34 @@ dir-locals-file

 See Info node `(elisp)Directory Local Variables' for details.")

+(defvar dir-locals--file-last nil)
+(defvar dir-locals--files nil)
 (defun dir-locals--all-files (directory)
   "Return a list of all readable dir-locals files in DIRECTORY.
 The returned list is sorted by increasing priority.  That is,
 values specified in the last file should take precedence over
 those in the first."
   (when (file-readable-p directory)
-    (let* ((file-1 (expand-file-name (if (eq system-type 'ms-dos)
-                                        (dosified-file-name dir-locals-file)
-                                      dir-locals-file)
-                                    directory))
-           (file-2 (when (string-match "\\.el\\'" file-1)
-                     (replace-match "-2.el" t nil file-1)))
-          (out nil))
-      ;; The order here is important.
-      (dolist (f (list file-2 file-1))
-        (when (and f
-                   (file-readable-p f)
-                   ;; FIXME: Aren't file-regular-p and
-                   ;; file-directory-p mutually exclusive?
-                   (file-regular-p f)
-                   (not (file-directory-p f)))
+    ;; Users might be misguidedly messing with the `dir-locals-file'
+    ;; variable, as ELisp doesn't bother enforcing defconst.
+    (unless (equal dir-locals-file dir-locals--file-last)
+      ;; Caching this avoids consing.
+      (setq dir-locals--files
+            (delq nil
+                  (let* ((file-1 (if (eq system-type 'ms-dos)
+                                     (dosified-file-name dir-locals-file)
+                                   dir-locals-file))
+                         (is-el (string-match "\\.el\\'" file-1))
+                         (file-2 (when is-el
+                                   (replace-match "-2.el" t nil file-1))))
+                    ;; The order here is important.
+                    ;; Support *.eld files, too.
+                    (list file-2 (and is-el (concat file-2 "d"))
+                          file-1 (and is-el (concat file-1 "d")))))))
+    (let ((default-directory directory) out)
+      (dolist (f dir-locals--files)
+        (when (and (file-readable-p f)
+                   (file-regular-p f))
           (push f out)))
       out)))

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>>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:25:22 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
> said:

    Lars> So if we introduce .dir-locals.eld, we should take the opportunit=
y to
    Lars> add a brand new, sensible, extensible syntax, too.

We could use an almost syntax-less language with lots of structuring
parentheses (LOSP for short). And we=CA=BCd have to call the file
'please-pwn-my-Emacs.el'

Seriously, having files popping up safe-variable warnings is scary
enough already, do we really need to complicate things by adding
yet-another not-quite-lisp syntax? Is the support for `eval' in
.dir-locals.el not enough?

Robert
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Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:

> Seriously, having files popping up safe-variable warnings is scary
> enough already, do we really need to complicate things by adding
> yet-another not-quite-lisp syntax? Is the support for `eval' in
> .dir-locals.el not enough?

It's not -- there's a bunch of bug reports around these issues
*handwaves at debbugs*.

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>>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:10:04 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
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    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:
    >> Seriously, having files popping up safe-variable warnings is scary
    >> enough already, do we really need to complicate things by adding
    >> yet-another not-quite-lisp syntax? Is the support for `eval' in
    >> .dir-locals.el not enough?

    Lars> It's not -- there's a bunch of bug reports around these issues
    Lars> *handwaves at debbugs*.

My debbugs-gnu-foo must be too weak: I can only find two, neither of
which look like they=CA=BCd be fixed by changing the syntax accepted by
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Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:

>     Lars> It's not -- there's a bunch of bug reports around these issues
>     Lars> *handwaves at debbugs*.
>
> My debbugs-gnu-foo must be too weak: I can only find two,

Isn't two a bunch?  =F0=9F=98=80

> neither of which look like they=CA=BCd be fixed by changing the syntax
> accepted by .dir-locals.el

I suspect that by "syntax" you're thinking about syntax syntax -- I'm
talking semantics syntax.

The .dir-locals.eld file will be Lisp forms, of course.

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> It sort of makes sense to me, but if we're doing a name change, I'd
> rather make it a functional change, too.

While I can see why that might sound attractive, AFAICT the functional
change is very far from being clear, so it seems unlikely it will happen
any time soon.


        Stefan

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>>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:29:36 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:
    Lars> It's not -- there's a bunch of bug reports around these issues
    Lars> *handwaves at debbugs*.
    >>=20
    >> My debbugs-gnu-foo must be too weak: I can only find two,

    Lars> Isn't two a bunch?  =F0=9F=98=80

Maybe, but if one of them is "Lars can=CA=BCt reproduce, waiting for
feedback", is it really open?

    >> neither of which look like they=CA=BCd be fixed by changing the synt=
ax
    >> accepted by .dir-locals.el

    Lars> I suspect that by "syntax" you're thinking about syntax syntax --=
 I'm
    Lars> talking semantics syntax.

    Lars> The .dir-locals.eld file will be Lisp forms, of course.

Then I still fail to see how it=CA=BCs different from `eval', unless you=CA=
=BCre
planning on adding  "run these forms before/after setting the mode"
semantics.

Robert
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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:

> Severity: wishlist
>
> [Spun out from Bug#58486.]
>
> Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> It's already handled by auto-mode-alist:
>>
>>   (defvar auto-mode-alist
>>        ...
>>        ;; .dir-locals.el is not really Elisp.  Could use the
>>        ;; `dir-locals-file' constant if it weren't defined below.
>>        ("\\.dir-locals\\(?:-2\\)?\\.el\\'" . lisp-data-mode)
>
> It's nice if we can use the "*.eld" extension for files that are not
> supposed to be executed.  But it's hard to just change that outright, as
> a file ".dir-locals.eld" won't be used on old versions of Emacs.

FWIW it could be possible to mitigate this situation using Compat from
ELPA.  It could make use of the `hack-local-variables-hook' and
"transparently" add support for .dir-locals.eld.  Another idea would be
to provide such a feature as a package that could intentionally be
installed from ELPA for older versions.

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Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes:

>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:25:22 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN=
g> said:
>
>     Lars> So if we introduce .dir-locals.eld, we should take the opportun=
ity to
>     Lars> add a brand new, sensible, extensible syntax, too.
>
> We could use an almost syntax-less language with lots of structuring
> parentheses (LOSP for short). And we=CA=BCd have to call the file
> 'please-pwn-my-Emacs.el'
>
> Seriously, having files popping up safe-variable warnings is scary
> enough already, do we really need to complicate things by adding
> yet-another not-quite-lisp syntax? Is the support for `eval' in
> .dir-locals.el not enough?

What I would like to see if some kind of extensibility in the syntax.
Perhaps using methods.  I have often seen projects using `eval' just
because the options they are setting are not trivial assignments, but
conventional modifications like prepending an item to a list or setting
a symbol property (check out the .dir-locals.el for Guix if you want to
see a massive "Do you want to accept all these variables" prompt).

> Robert

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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:

> What I would like to see if some kind of extensibility in the syntax.
> Perhaps using methods.  I have often seen projects using `eval' just
> because the options they are setting are not trivial assignments, but
> conventional modifications like prepending an item to a list or setting
> a symbol property (check out the .dir-locals.el for Guix if you want to
> see a massive "Do you want to accept all these variables" prompt).

Yes, exactly -- people have to resort to using `eval' (which is
something people should use as little as possible) because our syntax
doesn't allow for simple things like adding values to a list.

Post-mode variables and list concatenation are two things we'd like to
have, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch of stuff people will come up
with if the syntax allowed for (safe) extensions.

I don't know what the new syntax would look like -- the current syntax
is, er, very implementation-friendly and user-hostile.  I.e., it's easy
for Emacs to parse, and difficult for people to write:

((nil . ((tab-width . 8)
         (sentence-end-double-space . t)
         (fill-column . 70)
	 (emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column . 65)
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Perhaps a more imperative style would be nice.  Err...  something
like...

(in-mode c-mode
  (set c-file-style "GNU")
  (set-early treesit-thing t)
  (add-to-list odd-list 3)
  (minor-mode indent-tabs-mode)
  (minor-mode blink-parentheses-mode))

`safep' would have to be a bit adjusted -- a `safep' for `odd-list'
would be (cl-every #'oddp) etc.

And we'd make the parser backwards/forwards compatible -- i.e., elements
that are unknown to the Emacs version running would just be ignored.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> What I would like to see if some kind of extensibility in the syntax.
>> Perhaps using methods.  I have often seen projects using `eval' just
>> because the options they are setting are not trivial assignments, but
>> conventional modifications like prepending an item to a list or setting
>> a symbol property (check out the .dir-locals.el for Guix if you want to
>> see a massive "Do you want to accept all these variables" prompt).
>
> Yes, exactly -- people have to resort to using `eval' (which is
> something people should use as little as possible) because our syntax
> doesn't allow for simple things like adding values to a list.
>
> Post-mode variables and list concatenation are two things we'd like to
> have, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch of stuff people will come up
> with if the syntax allowed for (safe) extensions.
>
> I don't know what the new syntax would look like -- the current syntax
> is, er, very implementation-friendly and user-hostile.  I.e., it's easy
> for Emacs to parse, and difficult for people to write:
>
> ((nil . ((tab-width . 8)
>          (sentence-end-double-space . t)
>          (fill-column . 70)
> 	 (emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column . 65)
>          (vc-git-annotate-switches . "-w")
>          (bug-reference-url-format . "https://debbugs.gnu.org/%s")
> 	 (diff-add-log-use-relative-names . t)))
>  (c-mode . ((c-file-style . "GNU")
>             (c-noise-macro-names . ("INLINE" "ATTRIBUTE_NO_SANITIZE_UNDEFINED" "UNINIT" "CALLBACK" "ALIGN_STACK"))
>             (electric-quote-comment . nil)
>             (electric-quote-string . nil)
>             (indent-tabs-mode . t)
> 	    (mode . bug-reference-prog))))

Since we are admitting that this is data (-> .eld), not code is it even
necessary to worry about how difficult it is two write.  Couldn't adding
a comment referencing `add-dir-local-variable', or if necessary some
other, new function be enough?

> Perhaps a more imperative style would be nice.  Err...  something
> like...
>
> (in-mode c-mode
>   (set c-file-style "GNU")
>   (set-early treesit-thing t)
>   (add-to-list odd-list 3)
>   (minor-mode indent-tabs-mode)
>   (minor-mode blink-parentheses-mode))

My only objection to "something like" this is that it appears to be Lisp
code, and people could get surprised when they try to add something that
isn't (eg. a regular `add-to-list' call that had a quote -- beginners
often get tripped up on these minor syntactic points).

> `safep' would have to be a bit adjusted -- a `safep' for `odd-list'
> would be (cl-every #'oddp) etc.
>
> And we'd make the parser backwards/forwards compatible -- i.e., elements
> that are unknown to the Emacs version running would just be ignored.

Ideally there would be a warning or some way you could find out that
variables aren't loaded, e.g. if you have a typo in
`blink-parenthesis-mode' vs. `blink-parentheses-mode'.

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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:

> My only objection to "something like" this is that it appears to be Lisp
> code, and people could get surprised when they try to add something that
> isn't (eg. a regular `add-to-list' call that had a quote -- beginners
> often get tripped up on these minor syntactic points).

Then I guess `add-to-list' wouldn't be a good "directive" here.

>> And we'd make the parser backwards/forwards compatible -- i.e., elements
>> that are unknown to the Emacs version running would just be ignored.
>
> Ideally there would be a warning or some way you could find out that
> variables aren't loaded, e.g. if you have a typo in
> `blink-parenthesis-mode' vs. `blink-parentheses-mode'.

Well, that would make things less backwards/forwards compatible --
people would be getting warnings when flipping between different Emacs
versions.

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