Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2022 11:44:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 23 07:44:08 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43790 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1omZOi-0002Yp-FX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 07:44:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1omZOh-0002Yd-9X for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 07:44:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1omZOZ-0007T4-EO; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 07:43:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UUQZuA67T+x6xTWfaNGCjmK+lnIqLcNc9+lr/MRavsI=; b=qTgqoQOb1sDF yZ/mJCEBNe+dcoFSAl3kBw83cv7dv7Pksn3ZCUm9PUX9vMS4k7IorqL/BqweNg3N4sSiLZ0IoELMr Q+vRMSn3bsv5l81HN7X0ksyCh5hdIXsha9D/7cQgi+hoRXASkyfX9K1nBeTNLARKoZBt0VrakPWVG T8wrUb0LSG5oPvdflvdetcPwmbUWtyuM6Oln7MXGhe8Cg6GVcqtEB51zlnsHg7323Rng2TybSX/lV RSVNFl+vqUV5wOG0h5xKWIHfq+Izp8AS4z+P8JwyYStP7DRm9NdRHnkcd92xL7/SzU3beAS2aQaPs T3kayAjcdxlPI53ADECZQA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1omZOY-0002OB-PY; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 07:43:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 14:43:42 +0300 Message-Id: <83lep6sr2p.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfwn8q4xul.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:51:14 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv37gqu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu3zxaeu.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfpmen556c.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmemyl4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfwn8q4xul.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:51:14 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> Okay so IIUC your suggestion would be to: when we identify '--batch' we > >> search for a signature in the commandline to identify the trampoline > >> compilation and set in case `comp-no-spawn'? > > > > Yes. And if that works, my next question is: can we then remove the > > new -no-comp-spawn command-line option, or do we need it for some > > other cases? > > If it works I think it should be equivalent at that point. But at the > moment is not so trivial to identify this condition as we have no clear > marker of it. > > The current invocation for compilations is just like: > > emacs --batch -l sometmpfile.el > > I don't know if we have some other option for adding a marker other than > the most obvious (the dedicated flag). At some point during compilation, we surely know that we are compiling a trampoline, right? So I thought to avoid forking at that point, so that we don't need yet another command-line option for internal purposes. But if this is too complicated and cumbersome, I'm okay with a command-line switch. Thanks.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2022 10:51:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 23 06:51:22 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1omYZe-0007XB-7Y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 06:51:22 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62365) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1omYZa-0007X0-N6 for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 06:51:21 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29NApEi9028009 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:51:15 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <83pmemyl4o.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:06:31 +0300") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv37gqu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu3zxaeu.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfpmen556c.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pmemyl4o.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfwn8q4xul.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:23:55 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:31:05 +0000 >> >> >> >> > "do it always for trampolines in the --batch invocations" >> >> >> >> So you mean identifying that we are doing a trampoline compilation and >> >> disable the native compiler without a specific flag? >> > >> > Yes, but only in -batch sessions. >> > >> > I believe this is our logic now: if we are going to compile a >> > trampoline, we invoke an async subprocess >> >> We invoke a sync compilation for trampolines (but I think it's not >> relevant here) >> >> > with both -batch and >> > the -no-comp-spawn options. But if the --batch session can figure >> > out that it's compiling a trampoline, it can automatically behave as >> > if -no-comp-spawn was passed on the command line, no? >> >> Okay so IIUC your suggestion would be to: when we identify '--batch' we >> search for a signature in the commandline to identify the trampoline >> compilation and set in case `comp-no-spawn'? > > Yes. And if that works, my next question is: can we then remove the > new -no-comp-spawn command-line option, or do we need it for some > other cases? If it works I think it should be equivalent at that point. But at the moment is not so trivial to identify this condition as we have no clear marker of it. The current invocation for compilations is just like: emacs --batch -l sometmpfile.el I don't know if we have some other option for adding a marker other than the most obvious (the dedicated flag). Best Regards Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2022 07:24:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 20 03:24:02 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32830 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1olPuM-00049s-Di for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:24:02 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1olPuJ-00049P-2W for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:24:01 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29K7NtpU004272 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:23:56 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <83tu3zxaeu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:43:21 +0300") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv37gqu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu3zxaeu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:23:55 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfpmen556c.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:31:05 +0000 >> >> > "do it always for trampolines in the --batch invocations" >> >> So you mean identifying that we are doing a trampoline compilation and >> disable the native compiler without a specific flag? > > Yes, but only in -batch sessions. > > I believe this is our logic now: if we are going to compile a > trampoline, we invoke an async subprocess We invoke a sync compilation for trampolines (but I think it's not relevant here) > with both -batch and > the -no-comp-spawn options. But if the --batch session can figure > out that it's compiling a trampoline, it can automatically behave as > if -no-comp-spawn was passed on the command line, no? Okay so IIUC your suggestion would be to: when we identify '--batch' we search for a signature in the commandline to identify the trampoline compilation and set in case `comp-no-spawn'? Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2022 19:31:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 19 15:31:12 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1olEmV-0002jm-VA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:31:12 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63794) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1olEmT-0002jc-Dh for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:31:10 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29JJV5cg024700 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:31:06 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:11:33 +0300") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:31:05 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfedv37gqu.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:02:59 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:55:18 +0000 >> >> >> >> The attached works for me for fixing the trampoline issue (unless I did >> >> something wrong reproducing). >> >> >> >> I named the flag -no-comp-spawn from the variable it controls. Happy to >> >> rename it if we have something better, but being for internal use only >> >> maybe is already okay? >> > >> > On second thought: why do we need a special knob for that? Could we >> > instead _always_ compile trampolines "without spawning" in a --batch >> > session? >> >> Hi Eli, >> >> unfortunately we cannot as libgccjit leaks memory :/ > > I think there could be a misunderstanding here. What I meant is to do > whatever we do under -no-comp-spawn, but do it always for trampolines > in the --batch invocations, without the need to see -no-comp-spawn on > the command line. > "do it always for trampolines in the --batch invocations" So you mean identifying that we are doing a trampoline compilation and disable the native compiler without a specific flag? But I'm not sure I understand 100%, hope the explaination that follows helps clarifying. > Or maybe I misunderstand what -no-comp-spawn does, in which case can > you tell me what I missed? -no-comp-spawn makes sure that in the spawend compilation processes, no matter what, we never spawn again other compilation processes. We have two invocations for spawning processes, one for sync compilations and one of async (none of the invocation is specific to trampolines). This patch is using -no-comp-spawn for both. Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2022 19:11:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 19 15:11:52 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1olETn-0002FL-Sk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:11:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38116) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1olETj-0002F0-1z for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:11:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34130) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1olETb-0005s1-Mj; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:11:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=iheFnC9qzCdRddIJu3w1XhuIh7ZNx4PCWLL+1pffFGA=; b=FWli4wenFOq1 igdd5uy/Dp83V+DjLfud4Vg6fN5n5cWSvRNGnP6PYs/GKwIYcaMK/Sb+mm6pqW0JTSZum/D4PgJBU r2x3LM31VGpEoWSwUaP+GYgL5FmKC6vdQTdSnTnq1jXMeL9DZTlBAdBWskiX5nmW2KDxiTYKDQSLq VqiZZSJZbLOqZQeJTnVbQO2dbzagZaQOkC1nDgEMOPGELTZvAvVKQrTVZxdQeKTm66IrssBadlKUh YJF2rVJLNrMRLU3xdYHp0veD9nwSUPxQMhWmLVNsYuF4SB6RqWltE4vdqT9xJW8Sf7guucTNKxdMP nK5enVYoTzvGcpcUHMGDBA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3426 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1olETa-0007jY-Nc; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:11:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:11:33 +0300 Message-Id: <838rlbzl0a.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:02:59 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:02:59 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:55:18 +0000 > >> > >> The attached works for me for fixing the trampoline issue (unless I did > >> something wrong reproducing). > >> > >> I named the flag -no-comp-spawn from the variable it controls. Happy to > >> rename it if we have something better, but being for internal use only > >> maybe is already okay? > > > > On second thought: why do we need a special knob for that? Could we > > instead _always_ compile trampolines "without spawning" in a --batch > > session? > > Hi Eli, > > unfortunately we cannot as libgccjit leaks memory :/ I think there could be a misunderstanding here. What I meant is to do whatever we do under -no-comp-spawn, but do it always for trampolines in the --batch invocations, without the need to see -no-comp-spawn on the command line. Or maybe I misunderstand what -no-comp-spawn does, in which case can you tell me what I missed? Thanks.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2022 19:06:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 19 15:06:31 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1olEOd-00027G-5F for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:06:31 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1olEOb-000278-E0 for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:06:29 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29JJ6ShL017725 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:06:28 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <875yghatgo.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:15:51 +0200") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <875yghatgo.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:06:28 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfr0z37hvv.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > > [...] > >> (put 'site-run-file 'standard-value '(nil))) >> + ((equal argi "-no-comp-spawn") > > That is not a good command line argument name, As I mentioned it would be for internal use only, but feel free to offer a better one. > and you haven't said why > you want to introduce yet another command line argument to tweak > behaviour in this area when we've already discussed adding the > --native-compile-sync command line argument. IIUC --native-compile-sync has a different semantic (and it might go in at a different time as well), this patch is avoid compilation recursion. I posted it in this bug as (as you mentioned) there was some related discussion. Best Regards Andrea
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2022 19:03:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 19 15:03:12 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1olELP-00022U-Pi for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:03:12 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1olELE-00021t-Px for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:03:11 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29JJ2xiD027084 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:02:59 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2022 21:45:14 +0300") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:02:59 +0000 Message-ID: <xjfv8of7i1o.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:55:18 +0000 >> >> The attached works for me for fixing the trampoline issue (unless I did >> something wrong reproducing). >> >> I named the flag -no-comp-spawn from the variable it controls. Happy to >> rename it if we have something better, but being for internal use only >> maybe is already okay? > > On second thought: why do we need a special knob for that? Could we > instead _always_ compile trampolines "without spawning" in a --batch > session? Hi Eli, unfortunately we cannot as libgccjit leaks memory :/ BR Andrea
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> The sync case doesn't need a command-line switch, though? You can do >> it with --eval. > > Or with -f. OK, I'm done. 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You can do >> it with --eval. > > Or with -f. OK, I'm done.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2022 18:46:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 18 14:46:15 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1okrbS-0000w9-R3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:46:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1okrbP-0000vt-Kc for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:46:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1okrbJ-0006Ip-Qq; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:46:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+sIyPjUPpKt9vufzfLO3xR5Q3qr2zOtZI2F2gzCtWTs=; b=rym/n33DF6Oi LLFf3A6eAYGUTimlowDrAJuQHYxbyHc3eG1P97NcIcNpSpxMIm6r4vFVHGrwL2YNK1/VaV5vVpPZb 911oyBYGmCOnyGMj3WAtfEPO6UgPKs2mEhMBsy49p5oDjeqmXw1SVSvrA/lMq0R/1za8q2qzF8kIQ WTuoxGz+63J9oNVlOlFvjidUErzd6NpRTERqRoDZbo6Zcn4pARHuJ4lX6NMf3lm20KddEliWyoO4u k25EaxZlCmZZ/46snBGioh+kMc8NMjEpx4LONBjNH3s45fV2K7BRZzYaeySMIgfJgl8LDSXFbChpP /Ldl4xhL02amr+Nbc6HbEQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1421 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1okrac-0003JQ-J0; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:45:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 21:45:14 +0300 Message-Id: <83mt9tynr9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:55:18 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a65x786i.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfedv9vymg.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qr82lu6.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfk04yvqdv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8oielxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rleek7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <834jw236v8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edv6ckof.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsfl1c3r.fsf@HIDDEN> <xjfo7u9tewp.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:55:18 +0000 > > The attached works for me for fixing the trampoline issue (unless I did > something wrong reproducing). > > I named the flag -no-comp-spawn from the variable it controls. Happy to > rename it if we have something better, but being for internal use only > maybe is already okay? On second thought: why do we need a special knob for that? Could we instead _always_ compile trampolines "without spawning" in a --batch session? IOW, when do we need --batch to compile trampolines asynchronously?
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That is, instead of that, we could have a --native-compile-mode command >> line switch with the values --native-compile-mode=none, >> --native-compile-mode=sync and --native-compile-mode=normal? > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That is, instead of that, we could have a --native-compile-mode command >> line switch with the values --native-compile-mode=none, >> --native-compile-mode=sync and --native-compile-mode=normal? > > I doubt we really need to have an option with 3 values. The default > already does TRT in almost all cases, so all we need is to suppress > async compilation of trampolines, because that could cause trouble. For bug bug#58509 we need the sync case; for the trampoline fork bomb we need the don't-do-anything case -- that's two cases, right? Then the default, normal, NO-OP case is the third, which is pretty normal practice when doing command line switches like this, so that you don't have to mogrify the command line arguments when exec-ing and choosing between the three cases.
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From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: akrl@HIDDEN, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 21:30:24 +0200
>>
>> Sure, we can do it via a command-line argument instead. Perhaps this
>> fits well with the proposed --native-compile-sync switch, even.
>>
>> That is, instead of that, we could have a --native-compile-mode command
>> line switch with the values --native-compile-mode=none,
>> --native-compile-mode=sync and --native-compile-mode=normal?
>
> I doubt we really need to have an option with 3 values. The default
> already does TRT in almost all cases, so all we need is to suppress
> async compilation of trampolines, because that could cause trouble.
The attached works for me for fixing the trampoline issue (unless I did
something wrong reproducing).
I named the flag -no-comp-spawn from the variable it controls. Happy to
rename it if we have something better, but being for internal use only
maybe is already okay?
BR
Andrea
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filename=0001-Set-comp-no-spawn-earlier-using-no-comp-spawn.patch
From 01e8bc45a34f754af13e6ff05de71b320a15ffc0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Andrea Corallo <andrea.corallo@HIDDEN>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 15:14:32 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Set `comp-no-spawn' earlier using -no-comp-spawn
* src/emacs.c (standard_args): Add '-no-comp-spawn' cmd line option.
* lisp/startup.el (command-line): Parse '-no-comp-spawn' cmd line
option.
* lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el (comp-run-async-workers, comp-final):
Use '-no-comp-spawn'.
---
lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el | 10 +++++-----
lisp/startup.el | 5 ++++-
src/emacs.c | 1 +
3 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
index 2c9b79334b..ddfdbf286a 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
@@ -3689,8 +3689,7 @@ comp-final
(print-circle t)
(print-escape-multibyte t)
(expr `((require 'comp)
- (setf comp-no-spawn t
- native-comp-verbose ,native-comp-verbose
+ (setf native-comp-verbose ,native-comp-verbose
comp-libgccjit-reproducer ,comp-libgccjit-reproducer
comp-ctxt ,comp-ctxt
native-comp-eln-load-path ',native-comp-eln-load-path
@@ -3716,7 +3715,8 @@ comp-final
(if (zerop
(call-process (expand-file-name invocation-name
invocation-directory)
- nil t t "--batch" "-l" temp-file))
+ nil t t "-no-comp-spawn" "--batch" "-l"
+ temp-file))
(progn
(delete-file temp-file)
output)
@@ -3947,7 +3947,6 @@ comp-run-async-workers
source-file (comp-el-to-eln-filename source-file))))
do (let* ((expr `((require 'comp)
(setq comp-async-compilation t
- comp-no-spawn t
warning-fill-column most-positive-fixnum)
,(let ((set (list 'setq)))
(dolist (var '(comp-file-preloaded-p
@@ -4004,7 +4003,8 @@ comp-run-async-workers
:command (list
(expand-file-name invocation-name
invocation-directory)
- "--batch" "-l" temp-file)
+ "-no-comp-spawn" "--batch" "-l"
+ temp-file)
:sentinel
(lambda (process _event)
(run-hook-with-args
diff --git a/lisp/startup.el b/lisp/startup.el
index 725984b815..70267fc857 100644
--- a/lisp/startup.el
+++ b/lisp/startup.el
@@ -1198,7 +1198,7 @@ command-line
("--user") ("--iconic") ("--icon-type") ("--quick")
("--no-blinking-cursor") ("--basic-display")
("--dump-file") ("--temacs") ("--seccomp")
- ("--init-directory")))
+ ("--init-directory" "--no-comp-spawn")))
(argi (pop args))
(orig-argi argi)
argval)
@@ -1255,6 +1255,9 @@ command-line
((equal argi "-no-site-file")
(setq site-run-file nil)
(put 'site-run-file 'standard-value '(nil)))
+ ((equal argi "-no-comp-spawn")
+ (defvar comp-no-spawn)
+ (setq comp-no-spawn t))
((equal argi "-debug-init")
(setq init-file-debug t))
((equal argi "-iconic")
diff --git a/src/emacs.c b/src/emacs.c
index 43e81b912c..8ad70fecd4 100644
--- a/src/emacs.c
+++ b/src/emacs.c
@@ -2564,6 +2564,7 @@ main (int argc, char **argv)
{ "-init-directory", "--init-directory", 30, 1 },
{ "-no-x-resources", "--no-x-resources", 40, 0 },
{ "-no-site-file", "--no-site-file", 40, 0 },
+ { "-no-comp-spawn", "--no-comp-spawn", 60, 0 },
{ "-u", "--user", 30, 1 },
{ "-user", 0, 30, 1 },
{ "-debug-init", "--debug-init", 20, 0 },
--
2.25.1
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> I.e., EMACS_INHIBIT_AUTOMATIC_NATIVE_COMPILATION=full when forking the
> compiling Emacs would do the trick without introducing yet another
> twiddle here.
Something like the following simple patch.
I think this should fix the fork bomb problem, and it doesn't seem to
introduce any other problems, but I've only tested it for a couple
minutes.
diff --git a/doc/lispref/compile.texi b/doc/lispref/compile.texi
index 6f8431c55c..3ac4e90c2a 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/compile.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/compile.texi
@@ -993,10 +993,14 @@ Native-Compilation Variables
While setting this variable disables automatic compilation of Lisp
files, the compiler may still be invoked to install @dfn{trampolines}
if any built-in functions are redefined. However, these trampolines
-will not get written to your cache directory.
+will not get written to your cache directory. If this variable has
+the special value @code{full}, even trampoline installation is
+inhibited, which means that redefinition of built-in functions isn't
+possible.
You can also use the @samp{EMACS_INHIBIT_AUTOMATIC_NATIVE_COMPILATION}
-environment variable to disable native compilation.
+environment variable to disable automatic native compilation. If it's
+@samp{"full"}, trampoline generation is also inhibited.
@end defvar
@defopt native-comp-speed
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
index c300c44a8d..91851ad0f4 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el
@@ -693,6 +693,7 @@ 'native-compiler-error-empty-byte
(defun comp-subr-trampoline-install (subr-name)
"Make SUBR-NAME effectively advice-able when called from native code."
(unless (or (null comp-enable-subr-trampolines)
+ (eq inhibit-automatic-native-compilation 'full)
(memq subr-name native-comp-never-optimize-functions)
(gethash subr-name comp-installed-trampolines-h))
(cl-assert (subr-primitive-p (symbol-function subr-name)))
@@ -3713,9 +3714,13 @@ comp-final
(with-temp-buffer
(unwind-protect
(if (zerop
- (call-process (expand-file-name invocation-name
- invocation-directory)
- nil t t "--batch" "-l" temp-file))
+ (let ((process-environment
+ (cons
+ "EMACS_INHIBIT_AUTOMATIC_NATIVE_COMPILATION=full"
+ process-environment)))
+ (call-process (expand-file-name invocation-name
+ invocation-directory)
+ nil t t "--batch" "-l" temp-file)))
(progn
(delete-file temp-file)
output)
diff --git a/lisp/startup.el b/lisp/startup.el
index 725984b815..7238bcc1cf 100644
--- a/lisp/startup.el
+++ b/lisp/startup.el
@@ -580,8 +580,12 @@ normal-top-level
reads the initialization files, etc.
It is the default value of the variable `top-level'."
;; Allow disabling automatic .elc->.eln processing.
- (setq inhibit-automatic-native-compilation
- (getenv "EMACS_INHIBIT_AUTOMATIC_NATIVE_COMPILATION"))
+ (let ((inhibit (getenv "EMACS_INHIBIT_AUTOMATIC_NATIVE_COMPILATION")))
+ (when inhibit
+ (setq inhibit-automatic-native-compilation
+ (if (equal inhibit "full")
+ 'full
+ t))))
(if command-line-processed
(message internal--top-level-message)
diff --git a/src/comp.c b/src/comp.c
index 14012634cc..946816e069 100644
--- a/src/comp.c
+++ b/src/comp.c
@@ -5682,6 +5682,12 @@ syms_of_comp (void)
Vinhibit_automatic_native_compilation,
doc: /* If non-nil, inhibit automatic native compilation of loaded .elc files.
+If `full', also inhibit trampoline generation. Any other non-nil
+value will inhibit automatic native compilation of loaded .elc files,
+but will still generate trampolines (without writing them to the eln
+cache). If `full', it's no longer possible to reliably redefine
+built-in functions.
+
After compilation, each function definition is updated to the native
compiled one. */);
Vinhibit_automatic_native_compilation = Qnil;
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Yup. Perhaps we could just have a special value for `inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' to also skip trampoline generation totally?
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Content preview: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > to get practical I think what Lars'd like to have is: at the end of > 'maybe_swap_for_eln', in case the .eln is not found, a syncronous > invocation of the native compiler to produce and use the .el [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > to get practical I think what Lars'd like to have is: at the end of > 'maybe_swap_for_eln', in case the .eln is not found, a syncronous > invocation of the native compiler to produce and use the .eln file > (indeed only when this flag is used). > > In principal as decribed it should be relatively easy, the only > technical caveat I can think of now are potential circular dependecies > generated by loading comp.el. It's kinda the same problem as with the infinite recursion problem with the trampolines, so perhaps this could have the same solution? I.e., in the Emacs that we fork to do the nativecomp, we should switch off both JIT and trampoline generation? (We'd need to add such a mechanism, of course.) > The comment I have is that we could have this mode capable of being used > also in interactive sessions, in case I think we should really think of > a better name for the flag, something like --native-compile-sync? Or > anyway something that highlights the "synchronousness" of the enabled > mechanism. Yes, that's a better name for the switch.
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Exactly. Couldn't this cause an infinite recursion, if compiling a file needs to load some other file that also needs to be compiled, etc. etc.? For example, if some primitive is advised, we'd need to compile the same trampoline, recursively, no? How do we break such vicious circles? > The comment I have is that we could have this mode capable of being used > also in interactive sessions, in case I think we should really think of > a better name for the flag, something like --native-compile-sync? Or > anyway something that highlights the "synchronousness" of the enabled > mechanism. I don't think the synchronous part is important here. What is important is that the Lisp code is natively-compiled before it is loaded into Emacs. So something like native-compile-before-load, perhaps? Which also suggests a way out of the circular dependency thing: we could start the compilation in a subprocess and wait for it to finish. Then any circular dependencies would be solved in the subprocess -- which will run with --batch, so it will simply use byte-compiled Lisp for its compilation when the corresponding .eln files aren't available. Of course, this means when the "main" Emacs loads the just-produced .eln file, it will find that dependency .el files were not yet compiled, and will have to stop and wait for their compilation. But that is inevitable, I think, and will simply mean we are serializing the recursion in a brute-force manner. Does this make sense?
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2022 21:40:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 14 17:40:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38847 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ojSPa-0000f7-Oz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:40:10 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:55075) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1ojSPY-0000ev-Op for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:40:09 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 29ELe6H3011841 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 14 Oct 2022 21:40:07 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp In-Reply-To: <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:49:15 +0300") References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 21:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: <xjf1qraythl.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: [...] > Let's wait for Andrea to chime in. Hi Eli, to get practical I think what Lars'd like to have is: at the end of 'maybe_swap_for_eln', in case the .eln is not found, a syncronous invocation of the native compiler to produce and use the .eln file (indeed only when this flag is used). In principal as decribed it should be relatively easy, the only technical caveat I can think of now are potential circular dependecies generated by loading comp.el. The comment I have is that we could have this mode capable of being used also in interactive sessions, in case I think we should really think of a better name for the flag, something like --native-compile-sync? Or anyway something that highlights the "synchronousness" of the enabled mechanism. Best Regards Andrea
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That doesn't sound like a good interface, and fortunately that's not >> how Emacs works interactively. > > Interactively, async compilation is triggered by actually _loading_ > stuff. You cannot ha [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> That doesn't sound like a good interface, and fortunately that's not >> how Emacs works interactively. > > Interactively, async compilation is triggered by actually _loading_ > stuff. You cannot have Emacs load everything that is need for some > function call, unless you let the code of that function actually run, > because only running it will reveal all that's needed to be loaded. > Think about autoloads, eval-after-load, etc. How can Emacs know what > files to compile ahead of running the code you are asking it to run? > Or what am I missing? It really sounds like you're not familiar with how the nativecomp machinery works? When Emacs is asked to load a file, no matter how it is asked to do so, it (eventually) looks at the .elc file (if any). This makes the native-comp machinery kick in, and at present (like I said in the original description here) it adds the .el file to a list of files that will be native-compiled in the background, and then loads the .eln file later. And like I said, at that point, we could instead just go ahead and native-compile the .el file, and then load the .eln file instead of loading the .elc file, synchronously. Nothing needs to be known in advance, because the nativecomp machinery already has all this under control. And, yes, this thread has been really annoying, because I explained all this in the first message already.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> You missed that the --native-compile there is in no way related to the >> -l that follows. I.e., for instance: >> >> emacs --batch --native-compile --eval '(gnus)' > > (There was no "--eval '(gnus) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> You missed that the --native-compile there is in no way related to the >> -l that follows. I.e., for instance: >> >> emacs --batch --native-compile --eval '(gnus)' > > (There was no "--eval '(gnus)" in the original report.) It's just an example. Substitute with `(calculate-the-535325th-prime-number)' or whatever. > Just one last thing: if the intent is to tell Emacs "compile > natively, but do that in the same Emacs session instead of in > subprocesses", then how is this different from > > emacs --batch --batch-native-compile lisp/gnus/gnus*.el --eval '(gnus) > > which is what I had in mind? You're suggesting that users should compute with files a command will load, then compile those, and then start the command? That doesn't sound like a good interface, and fortunately that's not how Emacs works interactively.
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Full text available.Received: (at 58509) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2022 12:55:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 14 08:55:32 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ojKDs-0002GO-2k for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:55:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ojKDo-0002GB-DJ for 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:55:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ojKDj-0000jR-5e; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:55:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Imd7KZBAWwYZuj5mFufSI5rANeqgSahGZwCIdwvUsfs=; b=d3FkEvxOVe1l 6KcJ/yNuzuj7Jr6LOHDgo0vVtwJSZuxF52EjAY3DjIn0Rjjf47+9GowVm+C9uMuR54XRSZKkQidHP bfPTFKOWny1qfnDdGgZae26A6irhqEmRAoAj3YE7Ewe2Kat8tpQ9SgJigF/42YpYZs6I8hkGtBRJz iaN6CGgw86Jbk62sXa+9Nv4FZQ1vq95ZA9GK7OVxpPf9v+8oDgAKpKSNQwOSKTZgHwNkxmPvfIxvA oCieJIzEoxO/tmBYcoKDCGR/1s5X0sSvs1ko/irbJy/ABUf5cOgC1TpKpF/ZcadooOpHXOkhkp+jw qPCuNNn7yv74q/TZwXfaYw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4397 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ojKDT-0005a4-EL; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:55:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:54:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83bkqe8t0i.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <874jw6a96f.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:20:24 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58509: 29.0.50; Synchronous nativecomp References: <87a65yd715.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mt9y8ynk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgdybrnc.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lepi8y4l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilkmbqu3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0528w1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmeuaaio.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilkm8vv7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lepiaa4s.fsf@HIDDEN> <83edva8v1j.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jw6a96f.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:20:24 +0200 > > You missed that the --native-compile there is in no way related to the > -l that follows. I.e., for instance: > > emacs --batch --native-compile --eval '(gnus)' (There was no "--eval '(gnus)" in the original report.) > should native-compile all parts of running Gnus. Gnus is an interactive program, and I'm quite sure what exactly is loaded as side effect of "M-x gnus RET" depends on what you do next, after Gnus starts up. So the above could perhaps compile everything that just starting Gnus loads, but it cannot compile anything else. Besides, what is the semantics of emacs --batch --eval '(gnus) ? IOW, what does it mean to run Gnus in batch mode? So I still don't understand the request and its semantics. I also don't understand how it differs from just starting Gnus interactively and having whatever is needed compiled asynchronously. But since my questions seem to annoy you, I will stop asking them; I'm sorry I started. Just one last thing: if the intent is to tell Emacs "compile natively, but do that in the same Emacs session instead of in subprocesses", then how is this different from emacs --batch --batch-native-compile lisp/gnus/gnus*.el --eval '(gnus) which is what I had in mind?
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > The original report said: > >> I thought I'd open a bug report for something I mentioned elsewhere: It >> should be possible for --batch Emacsen to do native compilation. > [...] >> So I'd like to b [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > The original report said: > >> I thought I'd open a bug report for something I mentioned elsewhere: It >> should be possible for --batch Emacsen to do native compilation. > [...] >> So I'd like to be able to say "emacs --batch --native-compile -l ..." or >> something along those lines. > > So it seemed to me like being able to say > > emacs --batch -f batch-native-compile FILE... > > is what you want? If not, please tell what I missed in the original > report. You missed that the --native-compile there is in no way related to the -l that follows. I.e., for instance: emacs --batch --native-compile --eval '(gnus)' should native-compile all parts of running Gnus.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Then maybe I'm misunderstanding the use case? Didn't you say you > wanted to compile a bunch of Lisp files natively? I said I wanted Emacs to native-compile stuff (almost as normal) when using --batch. 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Didn't you say you > wanted to compile a bunch of Lisp files natively? I said I wanted Emacs to native-compile stuff (almost as normal) when using --batch. But perhaps it'd be helpful if you read the original report; I don't really have much to add to it, and I've just been repeating things already in it in these responses.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > It is documented as "Native compilation equivalent of > `batch-byte-compile'", so if it doesn't do what it's advertised to do, > it should be fixed to do it. It is, but it seems fully irrelevant for the use case described in this bug report, unless I'm missing something? 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It is, but it seems fully irrelevant for the use case described in this bug report, unless I'm missing something?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> `batch-native-compile' just calls `byte-compile-file' on the command >> line arguments. > > It does? I see this: > > (cl-loop for file in command-line-args-left > if (or (null byte+native-compile) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> `batch-native-compile' just calls `byte-compile-file' on the command >> line arguments. > > It does? I see this: > > (cl-loop for file in command-line-args-left > if (or (null byte+native-compile) > (cl-notany (lambda (re) (string-match re file)) > native-comp-bootstrap-deny-list)) > collect (comp--native-compile file) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > else > collect (byte-compile-file file)))) > > What did I miss? Sorry, I meant "it just calls comp--native-compile on the command line arguments". Which is irrelevant for the proposed use case, which is enabling normal opportunistic .eln generation, but synchronously. I.e., if you say emacs --batch --native-comp -l foo and foo requires bar, then bar should be native-compiled before being used. So I'm not sure why you're bringing up batch-native-compile at all -- it seems irrelevant, but perhaps I'm missing something?
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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:56:07 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> However, this also almost requires that we allow the nativecomp to
> >> happen synchronously -- the batch job may end before nativecomp finished
> >> otherwise, leading to cleanup problems and loss of efficiency.
> >
> > The above-mentioned functions do work synchronously.
>
> `batch-native-compile' just calls `byte-compile-file' on the command
> line arguments.
It does? I see this:
(cl-loop for file in command-line-args-left
if (or (null byte+native-compile)
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native-comp-bootstrap-deny-list))
collect (comp--native-compile file) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
else
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> However, this also almost requires that we allow the nativecomp to >> happen synchronously -- the batch job may end before nativecomp finished >> otherwise, leading to cleanup problems and loss of [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58509 Cc: 58509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> However, this also almost requires that we allow the nativecomp to >> happen synchronously -- the batch job may end before nativecomp finished >> otherwise, leading to cleanup problems and loss of efficiency. > > The above-mentioned functions do work synchronously. `batch-native-compile' just calls `byte-compile-file' on the command line arguments. That's not what's needed here at all.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: I thought I'd open a bug report for something I mentioned elsewhere: It should be possible for --batch Emacsen to do native compilation. I've got a bunch of Elisp scripts, and some of them do a lot of stuff, and it'd be nice if they were native-compiled. This will happen if I also use the same packages interactively, but that often doe [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@HIDDEN; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I thought I'd open a bug report for something I mentioned elsewhere: It should be possible for --batch Emacsen to do native compilation. I've got a bunch of Elisp scripts, and some of them do a lot of stuff, and it'd be nice if they were native-compiled. This will happen if I also use the same packages interactively, but that often doesn't happen. (And besides, since there's a bunch of different Emacs versions, they won't use the same eln cache anyway.) So I'd like to be able to say "emacs --batch --native-compile -l ..." or something along those lines. However, this also almost requires that we allow the nativecomp to happen synchronously -- the batch job may end before nativecomp finished otherwise, leading to cleanup problems and loss of efficiency. So in this mode, loading an .elc file (with missing .eln file) should instead just trigger .eln generation, and then we load the .eln file. And then perhaps we don't actually have to fork an Emacs to do the .eln generation? We can just do it in the currently running one, leading to further efficiency gains. This is also useful as a general tool for debugging: Today, things aren't really reproducible, because things happen asynchronously and unpredictably. So if we have this, we can also use it as a debugging tool in general, and not just in --batch. In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 144, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-10-13 built on downe Repository revision: cbd04ad3d572850775f18bde868c71abcde733ed Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101003 System Description: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
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