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Currently >> it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as >> text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should. > > Now is clear that main problem here is that Org advertises somewhere > to be "text" in MIME context, while it is not, it is by default > "application" and thus unsafe, see: > > Application Media Types > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838#section-4.2.5 > > and understand difference to: > > Text Media Types > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838#section-4.2.1 > > Thus I suggest that Org changes its MIME type and stop falsely > claiming to be "text" in MIME context, but that content type: > "application/x-org" become adopted, as that way it will become clear > that it is unsafe opening Org as falsely claimed "plain" text. You are mixing up text/plain and text/*. Orgmode is clearly text/* but not text/plain. From your link: Beyond plain text, there are many formats for representing what might be known as "rich text". An interesting characteristic of many such representations is that they are to some extent readable even without the software that interprets them. It is useful to distinguish them, at the highest level, from such unreadable data as images, audio, or text represented in an unreadable form. In the absence of appropriate interpretation software, it is reasonable to present subtypes of "text" to the user, while it is not reasonable to do so with most non-textual data. Such formatted textual data can be represented using subtypes of "text". 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Full text available.Received: (at 58774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2022 11:22:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 27 07:22:32 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56283 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oo0y0-0005fw-Jq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 07:22:32 -0400 Received: from smtp-out2.suse.de ([195.135.220.29]:59110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <schwab@HIDDEN>) id 1oo0xz-0005fg-DK for 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 07:22:31 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (relay2.suse.de [149.44.160.134]) by smtp-out2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD511FDFF; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:22:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_rsa; t=1666869745; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=xfNqqGZm/kXEnuDwvOux2ErEcor/fUNterXRq7uMVtA=; b=wjIH7PaTvSErcFRQlWCib7ZZjHlbZJg/JAlIIb0z17nu0+6z2j1r1qSdV1puyXYtEmvykJ HafBsEhJt7EkBJKXK20xGQDRLRWbAgXq7rkT/JGumA5rbocDGfidsGcrKDGFAnvKMfyOrc GVkSGh8bSbeb5mDIadF7e1EhZQowRF0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_ed25519; t=1666869745; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=xfNqqGZm/kXEnuDwvOux2ErEcor/fUNterXRq7uMVtA=; b=evhfa0F9/1s8aiz9T88gP4XaStqM2mhbga7Mz3djsZV9ZTSuKKokh192BhBNmyqwQjFzZY y1JaFFH9KvrkpjAA== Received: from hawking.suse.de (unknown [10.168.4.11]) by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EF32C141; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hawking.suse.de (Postfix, from userid 17005) id 9AEEC441BF5; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:22:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly References: <Y1g/dA3NcgfprFZt@HIDDEN> <87r0yvsgtt.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1joXLgNkvNH2ugH@HIDDEN> <87a65issop.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1kmH4umS5uoYmd+@protected.localdomain> <mvmlep2ah3g.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1kz5PKQh1SMr1BO@HIDDEN> <mvmh6zqadu9.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1lwNABImLQnQojU@HIDDEN> <mvma65hae9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1pD/h1INh3457ou@HIDDEN> X-Yow: I had a lease on an OEDIPUS COMPLEX back in '81... Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:22:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <Y1pD/h1INh3457ou@HIDDEN> (Jean Louis's message of "Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:40:30 +0300") Message-ID: <mvm5yg5a4uo.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58774 Cc: 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Okt 27 2022, Jean Louis wrote: > Can that predicate understand content type? It can use whatever it needs to determine the handler. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different."
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Full text available.Received: (at 58774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2022 10:18:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 27 06:18:38 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1onzyA-0003u5-4N for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 06:18:38 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:45573) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bugs@HIDDEN>) id 1onzy6-0003tv-AM for 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 06:18:37 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.82.225.124]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000081D92.00000000635A5AF8.0000099E; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 03:18:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:40:30 +0300 From: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly Message-ID: <Y1pD/h1INh3457ou@HIDDEN> Mail-Followup-To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN>, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN>, 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN References: <Y1g/dA3NcgfprFZt@HIDDEN> <87r0yvsgtt.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1joXLgNkvNH2ugH@HIDDEN> <87a65issop.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1kmH4umS5uoYmd+@protected.localdomain> <mvmlep2ah3g.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1kz5PKQh1SMr1BO@HIDDEN> <mvmh6zqadu9.fsf@HIDDEN> <Y1lwNABImLQnQojU@HIDDEN> <mvma65hae9p.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <mvma65hae9p.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+37 (a90f69b) (2022-09-02) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58774 Cc: 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN>, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-27 11:03]: > On Okt 26 2022, Jean Louis wrote: > > > With "predicate" do you mean URI scheme? > > When I write predicate, I mean predicate. Can that predicate understand content type? Do you have an example? -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
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Currently > it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as > text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should. Now is clear that main problem here is that Org advertises somewhere to be "text" in MIME context, while it is not, it is by default "application" and thus unsafe, see: Application Media Types https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838#section-4.2.5 and understand difference to: Text Media Types https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838#section-4.2.1 Thus I suggest that Org changes its MIME type and stop falsely claiming to be "text" in MIME context, but that content type: "application/x-org" become adopted, as that way it will become clear that it is unsafe opening Org as falsely claimed "plain" text. Main reason to change MIME for Org files is that Org is opened mainly by Emacs -- and Emacs itself has programming language built-in. It is equivalent to opening Perl file example.pl with "perl" command. Quote from RFC6838: ------------------- For example, a meeting scheduler might define a standard representation for information about proposed meeting dates. An intelligent user agent would use this information to conduct a dialog with the user, and might then send additional material based on that dialog. More generally, there have been several "active" languages developed in which programs in a suitably specialized language are transported to a remote location and automatically run in the recipient's environment. Such applications may be defined as subtypes of the "application" top-level type. Other comments: one can see from above that MIME types are useful to execute remote programs, and there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it. We can't just speak of safety alone when we are in general computing environment, we must also speak of usefulness. My initial request was not to execute Babel code in Org files or any other code in Org files, but the basic viewing, browsing and linking capacity of Org files, similarly to HTML. My notes are on meta level, they export to Org for presentation purposes. Not really for execution purposes. Though it is also useful. All I want is to access my personal read-only Org files by using WWW and browse from one to the other by using links. While one may achieve similar hyperlinking features with HTML export, exporting to HTML and making sure of details is very bloated activity that also requires much supervision of the presentation. It generates work and takes time. It also requires browsers, separate software to handle Org objects innate to Emacs. Why? Generating Org files with all relational referencing and making them accessible from WWW straight to Emacs makes life simpler. It implies teaching Emacs EWW how to open various content types. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
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Full text available.Received: (at 58774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2022 00:10:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 26 20:10:28 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1onqTb-0004cc-JP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:10:27 -0400 Received: from libre.brussels ([144.76.234.112]:33692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <indieterminacy@HIDDEN>) id 1onoO6-0001Kq-4P for 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:56:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=libre.brussels; s=mail; t=1666821391; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=poXQm1LtcweBhBuyo4DGtuT35nYgR+0P1LIbPZcve94=; b=fnwWgjbG7RWE7bsrr4d8RlfB209nPVUP/dmLoigaZVXm7TYjJIRgil5cvvZN+TUdIeIXOQ ITuNqQ4QGobCkjhgFwVs4+LW9fI/2Q9LYXGfk6WSUab+u0f37Tpv0cDkiJl1DXzn6IATYl az25+eJYMfFbmOA0cx6Rrc+Giej09UI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:56:31 +0200 From: indieterminacy <indieterminacy@HIDDEN> To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly In-Reply-To: <Y1l+W1fWB9yZA80q@HIDDEN> References: <86bkq0qf8p.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkq0t03l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8o7qzff.fsf@localhost> <CADwFkm=zOc6K6=eOa_WgXrnnpCRa47wKHeB+yfDM4Q0Fjzjd8A@HIDDEN> <Y1jt9vLO7yb597zj@HIDDEN> <e7dd50d4-bc87-0908-0130-f1af5bc993b6@HIDDEN> <Y1l+W1fWB9yZA80q@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <6134bfe5e5d0b971035406385af683e8@HIDDEN> X-Sender: indieterminacy@HIDDEN Organization: Icebreaker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58774 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:10:17 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 26-10-2022 20:37, Jean Louis wrote: > > I do not have special opinion of "publishing Org files" for unknown > people, if such people are not member of the group. That would require > training them to know what is Org mode, and finally why? Emacs is poor > general browser tool. > > Greatest benefit of Org files being served and properly parsed by > Emacs by using HTTP is personal and group based. It is not mainly for > public use. > > But one could think of it being analogous to Gemini. > > https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ > > Public who does not use Emacs will not be interested in such. > > They may download Org files and open it from file system. Same > insecurity exists by downloading them and opening them. > Just typical that Id raise Gemini just as you bring it up yourself (so many mails to sift through) :) >> Sometimes Org developer and maintainers do not have enough resources >> to react to security-related reports. An issue not so dangerous in >> the current state becomes really weird if Org mode becomes a default >> handler for files fetched from net. > > Your interpretation is improper, as you mentioned "default handler for > files fetched from net" -- and I was very specific, for text/x-org > content type that EWW get possibility to invoke org mode on such > files. > > Quite logical. Emacs, Org mode and EWW, those shall work together. I > am surprised that it does not. > > At least Russian Nginx WWW server supports me as user to configure it > so to serve Org files as text/x-org. > > Though personally I have already found buggy solution with Emacs Lisp > modification to eww render function. I must improve it. > It is worth emphasizing that Gemini is conventionally designed to serve and receive files in isolation and that browsers are not expected to do anything beyond recognising the simple types of lines. As such ceteris paribus Id like to thing that it should operate to minimise threats of vulnerabilities such as spreadsheets being used to interact with banking services. Besides, the size and range of Gemini browsers and clients met with the size of these tools - combined with the acutal size of the Gemini community (let alone their competence grade) would make it a low priority for troublemakers to prioritise. -- Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@HIDDEN
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I=E2=80=99m not sure why you keep pressing for this: people agreed that ena= bling users to configure that (as long as it=E2=80=99s not the default) is a good idea. There=E2=80=99s no discussion there. Your reply was to Max saying that this must not be the default, and that using "safe" as part of the function name is a bad idea. > Is there much of difference of opening Org file by using EWW or > sending link to Org file to be downloaded and THEN opened by Emacs? There is a difference, yes: A browser only opens inline what is deemed safe with the session-data. PDFs are only opened with pdf.js (more restricted compared to a pdf reader). Javascript is heavily restricted (with good reason). Opening org-files clicked in eww directly with org-mode is like opening a spreadsheet with active fields inline in the browser, so a rogue formula can steal the session of your banking login. > That is not business of web server, HTTP or browser. Those are > delivery, retrieval and presentation tools Yet there is so such separation between eww and org-mode. If you want that separation, you have to open the org-file in a second Emacs process. If you don=E2=80=99t want that separation, you have to add other precaution= s. 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* Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 20:10]:
> If you were just requested mapping of Content-Type to some mode in
> eww, perhaps it would pass.
That is exactly what I need, thanks
> You demanded Org mode configured by default.
Hmm, that could be some misunderstanding. I have .mailcap file and I
know I can configure any browser to open any content type how I wish
and want.
My e-mail client Mutt is opening Org files sent by Sacha Chua in org
mode with Emacs. It is my choice as user to skip downloading such
files and inspecting them.
If Mutt supports me, and Iceweasel, to open Org files with Emacs, why
not Emacs's EWW cannot support me to open Org files with Emacs??
That is completely not logical.
That is what I need and expect from EWW, it is more general and more
useful to let user customize any content type to be opened how user
wish and want.
This is because in Org files I may have links and wish to open
Gnumeric spreadsheet.
For example, if I get text/markdown (or equivalent) it would invoke
Markdown mode, for Org mode, it would invoke Org mode.
> Org have enough means to execute arbitrary code with minimal efforts
> from user side. E.g. value of table cell may be recalculated.
Those are not issues of EWW, but of Org mode in general. Similarly,
I can open spreadsheets by using Libreoffice or Gnumeric and such
spreadsheets can execute macros, I do not know how "dangerous" it is,
but that is my choice to decide upon it.
Browser like EWW, being able to accept content types, should give to
user the option to decide if to open PDF file by integrated PDF viewer
or any external PDF viewer, or to download the file, or to open the
file by user's customized function, mode or program.
Setting up content types is freedom for users to do what they want
with files.
The security aspect is in this moment highly hypothetical as victims
are not there. And it is matter of Org mode in general.
Is there much of difference of opening Org file by using EWW or
sending link to Org file to be downloaded and THEN opened by Emacs?
User not knowledgable may execute arbitrary code anyway.
Please do not blame the communication channel and users how some Org
feature is unsafe.
That is Org security issue, and not EWW issue.
HTTP is for delivery of files.
What user does with files is user's choice.
In general any Emacs package offered for download is in general
security risk, and we freely recommend them to each others. It is
quite clear that it is not safe executing software which one does not
understand or cannot decipher.
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Security-risks-with-Emacs.html
Me, as user, I am totally free to configure WWW server to serve
something like "application/e-lisp" as content type, and to open that
type with `emacs --batch file.el' if I want.
"Insecurity" is thus integral part of user's choice.
As Ihor and others mentioned, then it will be maybe up to user to use
Org safe mode or similar.
That is not business of web server, HTTP or browser. Those are
delivery, retrieval and presentation tools
> Org files originating from non-trusted sources must be carefully
> evaluated before opening them in Emacs.
Same applies to ANY kind of files that may be inherently
insecure. While HTML is considered secure, Javascript less than HTML,
but still contained, there are many many content types that may be
insecure, startin with APK, proprietary sotware, EXE Windows files,
any kind of programming languages, plugins, etc. Warnings are
everywhere.
Let users decide what is trusted or non trusted source.
Programmers of free software shall give users freedom.
I have full freedom to download Emacs Lisp packages and execute them
on my computer. That is same. I just want it faster.
And I also want it executed. I find it excellent that I can instruct
web server to serve me Emacs lisp which I can then execute, great. It
may not be your common usage scenario to find any use of it. I do.
There is freedom to configure browser to open packages and install
them right away, without inspecting anything.
In proprietary software world that is exactly what billion of people
already do, they download and execute proprietary software, there is
plethora of insecurity issues there.
That is up to Org mode to solve.
It is similar to Emacs warning you about local variables. So put some
warnings in Org mode.
But do not blame browser.
Browser is download, presentation and forwarding tool.
In Firefox, Content type that otherwise is not configured in browser,
may be either saved by default or browser may ask user how to open it
by default.
It is users' decision if something is safe to open or not.
I am sure that safe Org mode will solve that issue.
Instead of speaking hypothetically of insecurities about delivering
Org mode over HTTP, let us look at numerous advantages of it, they are
analogous to WWW HTML files:
- Publish your Org notes on WWW, and use them from anywhere in the
world, from any device running Emacs; remove cache if any in EWW,
and files are gone; privacy preserved;
- Use your Org files from any mobile device running Emacs; I have too
many of them and in that case I need not synchronize it at all;
- Fetch Org style reports, templates, and workflows, modify and report
back to manager;
- Browse from Org file to Org file, create Dynamic Knowledge
Repositore that staff members, group members may access and deal
with it;
- Automatically publish Org agenda, Org files directly, without
export, to WWW servers, and access from remove places;
- HTTP offers authentication mechanisms to protect private data;
I do not have special opinion of "publishing Org files" for unknown
people, if such people are not member of the group. That would require
training them to know what is Org mode, and finally why? Emacs is poor
general browser tool.
Greatest benefit of Org files being served and properly parsed by
Emacs by using HTTP is personal and group based. It is not mainly for
public use.
But one could think of it being analogous to Gemini.
https://gemini.circumlunar.space/
Public who does not use Emacs will not be interested in such.
They may download Org files and open it from file system. Same
insecurity exists by downloading them and opening them.
> Sometimes Org developer and maintainers do not have enough resources
> to react to security-related reports. An issue not so dangerous in
> the current state becomes really weird if Org mode becomes a default
> handler for files fetched from net.
Your interpretation is improper, as you mentioned "default handler for
files fetched from net" -- and I was very specific, for text/x-org
content type that EWW get possibility to invoke org mode on such
files.
Quite logical. Emacs, Org mode and EWW, those shall work together. I
am surprised that it does not.
At least Russian Nginx WWW server supports me as user to configure it
so to serve Org files as text/x-org.
Though personally I have already found buggy solution with Emacs Lisp
modification to eww render function. I must improve it.
> You may fight for your right to freely shoot your legs but you must
> be careful enough to not injury people around. Reputation of Emacs
> may be significantly affected by the requested change.
What a dramatic exaggeration! Congrats.
> I am strongly against Org mode as a default handler for files
> downloaded from web sites. Eww user option, if implemented, should
> have prominent warning that particular mode may not be ready for
> such usage and each case should be carefully evaluated for security
> issues.
Default handler is not necessary.
It is enough if users can set up how to open different content types
by which application or by which mode. It is now more general
question, like why I cannot invoke Gnumeric on gnumeric files, or
Libreoffice on spreadsheet delivered by HTTP?
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* Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 16:58]:
> On Okt 26 2022, Jean Louis wrote:
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> > * Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 15:48]:
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> >> > If there is way to extend EWW and Emacs in such way that I can tell
> >> > EWW what to do on certain content type, just as I do with other
> >> > browsers, that would solve the problem.
> >>
> >> This is what browse-url-handlers is for.
> >
> > Content type is not an URL scheme.
>
> The predicate can do whatever it needs to determine the handler.
With "predicate" do you mean URI scheme?
browse-url-handlers ⇒ (("gemini:" . elpher-go) ("gopher:"
. elpher-handler-go) ("about:" . hyperscope-about) ("hyperscope:"
. hyperscope-go) ("e2dk://" . amule-handler))
An alist with elements of the form (REGEXP-OR-PREDICATE . HANDLER).
Each REGEXP-OR-PREDICATE is matched against the URL to be opened
in turn and the first match’s HANDLER is invoked with the URL.
Then -- if URL structure would provide content type, it would work.
Otherwise it is not related to my wish. The URI scheme I wish to use
is `https:' and nothing else.
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Leaving aside XAuth issues, it allows arbitrary command execution if URL for some reason is not properly percent-encoded. Do you think your reasoning related to security is still convincing? If you were just requested mapping of Content-Type to some mode in eww, perhaps it would pass. You demanded Org mode configured by default. Org have enough means to execute arbitrary code with minimal efforts from user side. E.g. value of table cell may be recalculated. Org files originating from non-trusted sources must be carefully evaluated before opening them in Emacs. Sometimes Org developer and maintainers do not have enough resources to react to security-related reports. An issue not so dangerous in the current state becomes really weird if Org mode becomes a default handler for files fetched from net. You may fight for your right to freely shoot your legs but you must be careful enough to not injury people around. Reputation of Emacs may be significantly affected by the requested change. I am strongly against Org mode as a default handler for files downloaded from web sites. Eww user option, if implemented, should have prominent warning that particular mode may not be ready for such usage and each case should be carefully evaluated for security issues.
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* Rudolf Adamkovič via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 16:10]:
> So, I evaluated
>
> (add-to-list 'mailcap-mime-data
> (list "org"
> (cons 'viewer 'org-mode)
> (cons 'type "text/x-org")))
>
> but it did not work. What the hack!
>
> To satisfy my curiosity, I decided to look at the source code.
Thank you for understanding!
> TL;DR EWW hard-codes a couple of MIME types.
>
> You could improve the situation in various ways.
>
> For example, you could
>
> (1) patch EWW to expose the eww-content-type for the user to use, or
> (2) patch EWW to look up MIME for not just the PDF.
Thank you for understanding. You have given me pointers what to do, my
personal case is closed, though I am not the one who knows how to
properly patch it, and I do not see yet that there is consensus, as
few people did not understand about user preferences and rather speak
how EWW should even take care of security issues for user instead of
giving user freedom.
I have done following to make it work personally:
(defvar eww-content-type nil)
(put 'eww-content-type 'permanent-local t)
;;; in eww-render I put:
;;; (setq eww-content-type content-type)
(defun rcd-eww-content-type ()
(cond ((string-match-p "text/x-org" (car eww-content-type)) (org-mode))
(t (eww-mode))))
It is not working best, help me if you know how. I wish normal
eww-mode when it is not org-mode.
(add-hook 'eww-after-render-hook 'rcd-eww-content-type)
And now I can browse Org files from within Emacs.
Video is here:
https://gnu.support/images/gnu-emacs/2022/10/2022-10-26/2022-10-26-16:35:20.ogv
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* Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 15:48]:
> On Okt 26 2022, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > If there is way to extend EWW and Emacs in such way that I can tell
> > EWW what to do on certain content type, just as I do with other
> > browsers, that would solve the problem.
>
> This is what browse-url-handlers is for.
Content type is not an URL scheme.
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Which Org features, currently existing or introduced in the >> future, would EWW have to add workarounds for? > > That's not the case. Org never loads arbitrary code on loading the file > without querying the user. We seem to be miscommunicating. In the above, I was merely referring to whether org-mode is run when visiting some URL or not, which AFAIU is a binary thing (it either does, or it doesn't). You seem to be talking about security features in org-mode itself, which is related, but not the same thing. I agree that there are various security features in org-mode. I still don't think that we should run org-mode just because some URL requests it. To reiterate what I said, security problems are hard to audit and discover. We shouldn't expose users to additional risks just to add such a minor convenience feature. It is not a good trade-off. > Strictly speaking, even eww-mode may run arbitrary code given that user > puts something into eww-mode-hook. My concern is not that the users should run their own code, but that they will inadvertently run (potentially malicious) code provided by others. > I'd say that it will be safer to take care about necessary precautions > rather than leaving the user with the only option to run org-mode > manually. Adding a `safe-org-mode' would be an improvement, but orthogonal to whether or not we should automatically load org-mode when visiting any URL that presents itself as serving an org file. I think we should not do the latter. > If necessary, we can introduce a special variable in Org mode that will > disable all the potential third-party code evaluation, even if user has > customized Org to execute code without prompt. That would also be an improvement, yes. It would be even better if such a variable supported whitelisting, so that users could mark only specific files as safe for these purposes.
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Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>> This should be trivial to do, I think.
+1 and I say: consider contributing to EWW!
I noticed that the EWW manual says
PDFs are viewed inline, by default, with doc-view-mode, but this can
be customized by using the mailcap (see mailcap in Emacs MIME Manual)
mechanism, in particular mailcap-mime-data.
For some reason, it made me think that EWW uses MIME correctly.
So, I evaluated
(add-to-list 'mailcap-mime-data
(list "org"
(cons 'viewer 'org-mode)
(cons 'type "text/x-org")))
but it did not work. What the hack!
To satisfy my curiosity, I decided to look at the source code.
In eww.el, the eww-render procedure parses the content-type header and
stores its value in a local let binding. After that, it dispatches to
the various "display" procedures EWW comes with, such as
((equal (car content-type) "application/pdf")
(eww-display-pdf))
The eww-display-pdf procedure then looks up the MIME viewer for the
application/pdf MIME type specifically.
If no dispatch fits, EWW ends up calling eww-display-raw.
TL;DR EWW hard-codes a couple of MIME types.
You could improve the situation in various ways.
For example, you could
(1) patch EWW to expose the eww-content-type for the user to use, or
(2) patch EWW to look up MIME for not just the PDF.
You could hack something local to you as well, but a patch would make
EWW better for all of us. So, win-win!
Rudy
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Content preview: * Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 14:58]: > I may have misunderstood what you want. > > Do you want eww to open text/x-org files in org-mode by default, or do > you search for [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.6 RCVD_IN_SBL RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL [197.239.4.142 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom; id=bugs%40gnu.support; ip=209.51.188.17; r=debbugs.gnu.org] -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) * Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 14:58]: > I may have misunderstood what you want. > > Do you want eww to open text/x-org files in org-mode by default, or do > you search for a way how you can modify your local eww to open > text/x-org files with org-mode? > > My worries apply to the first, not to the second (there users know what > they get into). If there is way to extend EWW and Emacs in such way that I can tell EWW what to do on certain content type, just as I do with other browsers, that would solve the problem. Then I can say, please EWW, open "text/x-org" content type with org-mode. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
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If a user then decides to explicitly call M-x org-mode, >> that=E2=80=99s their problem. > > Thanks, though, that was not my request. > > Please note that you miss very important issue, and that is that all > browsers support customization on how to open specific content types, > so it is quite trivial to customize in browser to open Common Lisp > program with Common Lisp.=20 I may have misunderstood what you want. Do you want eww to open text/x-org files in org-mode by default, or do you search for a way how you can modify your local eww to open text/x-org files with org-mode? My worries apply to the first, not to the second (there users know what they get into). 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If that would be part of org-mode, this would be close to a safe-org-mode. An important part in what I wrote about safe-org-mode is that it has to ensure that what is shown cannot trick the user into thinking something else would get run. A way to reduce risk would be to introduce a domain-allow-list (or prefix-allow-list) in eww for filetypes that could be unsafe, so you could for example add "orgmode.org" to your allowlist and for those domains org-files would auto-open in org-mode. Such security risks have a tendency of getting weaponized down the road when they really hurt. Like when people didn=E2=80=99t care about npm dependencies and had them suddenly deleting their files. And opening in the currently used Emacs may give a malicious file access to remote files opened via tramp, even if you (by virtue of being careful) require a password for the connection to sensitive servers. That way, running something in Emacs can be even more dangerous than running it in the shell. 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Content preview: * Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 09:52]:
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Content preview: * Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 09:52]:
> Strictly speaking, even eww-mode may run arbitrary code given that user
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* Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 09:52]:
> Strictly speaking, even eww-mode may run arbitrary code given that user
> puts something into eww-mode-hook.
eww-mode-hook is a variable defined in ‘eww.el’.
Its value is (org-eww-extend-eww-keymap)
Please help me recognize content type by using eww-mode-hook, so that
I can invoke org mode when there is "text/x-org"
It is very useful to browse my personal notes from my personal WWW
server without invoking external browser.
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* Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 09:08]:
> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> writes:
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> > The "problem" with shell links you are describing is a question of
> > setting variables and is also disabled by default.
> >
> > eww-mode, when loading Org page, could simply set
> > org-link-shell-confirm-function to its default value.
>
> Note that with the suggested feature, any link you follow risks being
> loaded in Org mode, before the user even has a chance to inspect the
> file.
See my previous e-mail to Arne and explanation that in almost any
browser, it is user's choice on how to open various content types.
It implies, there are numerous risks involved, and users customizing
their browsers have responsibility for their computing.
Does user need group of people to dictate what is safe and what is not
safe? That is contrary to free software principles, let users decide
how they wish to open their files.
I maybe have Common Lisp on my server and wish to open it with SBLC on
my computer. That is my choice.
Let me have that choice in EWW, which is native to Emacs for Org mode,
which is native to Emacs. It is natural.
Note that I can open Org files with other browser. But I wish to
browse my Org notes directly from within Emacs , and not just invoke
external browser, which in turn invokes again `emacsclient'. That
works well already. I hope you understand it.
> Which Org features, currently existing or introduced in the
> future, would EWW have to add workarounds for?
Only to recognize content type text/x-org and invoke Org mode. And let
users decide if to invoke org mode on content type "text/x-org".
I am even now convinced that I should be able to customize how to open
various content types, but I do not get it.
I was thinking eww will recognize at least mailcap file, as in email
client I open Org files without problems.
I see in eww.el that there is function `mailcap-view-mime' but I do
not see it is used to recognize my mailcap file where I have this
line:
text/x-org; edit %s; nametemplate=%s.org;
my "edit" script invokes emacsclient
> It is very hard to foresee which parts of Org will be problematic and
> have to be disabled. See the security vulnerability in enriched-mode
> that prompted the release of Emacs 25.3, for example.
There is no need to disable anything by default please, leave that to
user choice.
I can open ALL kinds of files from WWW servers and decide how to open
them. That was since beginning of Internet user's choice. It is not
up to browser to tell me I should not open specific content type, or
for browser to disable how I view or use the file.
- EWW is browser
- it shall recognize content-type
- it shall then invoke ANY application by users' choice for that
content-type
Maybe I wish to open text/x-org with mousepad editor, so let me do
that. Maybe I wish to invoke different Emacs instance, let me do
that. If I wish to isolate the Emacs instance I can isolate it
without problems, but that shall be my users' choice.
Sample method of isolation of browser on single computer:
(defun browse-safe-url (url &optional arg)
"Browse URL with b"
(let ((username "joedoe")) ;; different username than my own
;; Insecurity settings for personal DISPLAY only
(shell-command "xhost +")
;; Browse URL with different username
(async-start-process "sudo" "sudo" nil "su" "-c" "--" username "-c"
(format "exec iceweasel \"%s\"" url))))
> Adding this opens a can of worms that will expose unsuspecting users to
> a whole class of new problems.
It does not.
Review well customization of content types on various browsers, it
existed since beginning of WWW.
Browser is not for HTML only, there are many content types.
> And the only benefit is to sapve some users from having to type "M-x
> org-mode RET", or adding call to a suitable hook.
It is not only benefit. Every browser shall give option to users to
decide how to open any content type.
> All in all, this seems like a bad trade-off. So I don't think we should
> add such a feature.
What if I want to open Gnumeric spreadsheet with eww? You do not want
to add that feature?
Help me open Gnumeric spreadsheet by using eww and its content type by
customization, and I will not ask you to open Org by eww, because at
that point of time I will be able to customize how to open Org content
type myself.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: * Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-26 01:02]: > All of the Emacs packages have some amount of implicit trust. Users are unaware what package may do, and packages are everywhere on Internet. That is not a problem that I wish to solve. 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Users are unaware what package may do, and packages are everywhere on Internet. That is not a problem that I wish to solve. > If you ask me whether I can make this work safely: This would first > require the introduction of a safe-org-mode which strictly disables all > features that can execute remote code or disguise unsafe operations as > safe ones. If a user then decides to explicitly call M-x org-mode, > that’s their problem. Thanks, though, that was not my request. Please note that you miss very important issue, and that is that all browsers support customization on how to open specific content types, so it is quite trivial to customize in browser to open Common Lisp program with Common Lisp. Thus all of browsers who allow content type customization are analogous to problem you are presenting, which in fact is no practical problem at all. Find the victim first, then present the problem. To understand is that content type opening is generally not secure and that it is user choice. I am user of Org mode, and all I wish is to adapt eww to invoke command "org-mode" once content type text/x-org has been recognized. This way I can browse Org files directly, it is very useful for me as I have bunch of files. > If you ask me whether I know how to make this work unsafely: It likely > won’t need a lot of elisp reading, but I do not, because I do not look > for it, because if I did, I would not. Well then 👀 > I do not want to be the one who caused the systems of eww users to get > breached, or who helped opening that security hole. See above, all other content types and URL links may be customized by user to be opened how users want it. Your security presentation lacks the background knowledge. See the attached screenshot how easy it was to customize IceWeasel or Firefox derivate to open Org files by using Emacs client. I have script called "edit" which invoces emacsclient. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58774; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 58774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2022 06:52:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 26 02:52:24 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53107 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1onaH2-0002t5-CK for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 02:52:24 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:55321) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1onaH0-0002sp-6C for 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 02:52:22 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B66240101 for <58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 08:52:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1666767136; bh=DpqQ9t2XvY7NpJyEYVsWYpLIz3vRNR8UjMblG3goao0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=KIp5Fi5sVUHye7FLuIWDNesMJxuBNv0QPKAsmP/5lwWmRp7sR12GVu83o+/kDNMOB PW2iRC9cgtcnxfXqHSB2zP0DBA+9tVahzqjhH4+ZLSKjHi2KmkCuhVuU+jFvRkXQxU tL+CJWuoXcOzsr4ra7X209WzfSEDltvLc/FvDLnmciLuPOSuO2A1LjxLOYWxGLUGOP ioHEuiPM7P8dS8bYQ6L92M6ZO9smORReg+0b51MZmQQhgL+HgYcMII3v7JfSgPBiem NxYyhP0ctutnm1Lk3EPJK+Ip/rlMPHZz5qNg1QdWMNPNhdJVP42POO3X2jT1wiBcPA 6T6RJIgDFz8Pw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Mxzy54Klgz9rxK; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 08:52:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=zOc6K6=eOa_WgXrnnpCRa47wKHeB+yfDM4Q0Fjzjd8A@HIDDEN> References: <86bkq0qf8p.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkq0t03l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8o7qzff.fsf@localhost> <CADwFkm=zOc6K6=eOa_WgXrnnpCRa47wKHeB+yfDM4Q0Fjzjd8A@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:52:56 +0000 Message-ID: <87zgdjoz3r.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58774 Cc: 58774 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN>, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, bugs@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> writes: > >> The "problem" with shell links you are describing is a question of >> setting variables and is also disabled by default. >> >> eww-mode, when loading Org page, could simply set >> org-link-shell-confirm-function to its default value. > > Note that with the suggested feature, any link you follow risks being > loaded in Org mode, before the user even has a chance to inspect the > file. Which Org features, currently existing or introduced in the > future, would EWW have to add workarounds for? That's not the case. Org never loads arbitrary code on loading the file without querying the user. The problem raised above is what happens when user tries to open a shell link and _also_ customized org-link-shell-confirm-function to nil (which is explicitly marked as dangerous option). Strictly speaking, even eww-mode may run arbitrary code given that user puts something into eww-mode-hook. > It is very hard to foresee which parts of Org will be problematic and > have to be disabled. See the security vulnerability in enriched-mode > that prompted the release of Emacs 25.3, for example. > > Adding this opens a can of worms that will expose unsuspecting users to > a whole class of new problems. And the only benefit is to save some > users from having to type "M-x org-mode RET", or adding call to a > suitable hook. I'd say that it will be safer to take care about necessary precautions rather than leaving the user with the only option to run org-mode manually. If necessary, we can introduce a special variable in Org mode that will disable all the potential third-party code evaluation, even if user has customized Org to execute code without prompt. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Note that with the suggested feature, any link you follow risks being loaded in Org mode, before the user even has a chance to inspect the file. Which Org features, currently existing or introduced in the future, would EWW have to add workarounds for? It is very hard to foresee which parts of Org will be problematic and have to be disabled. See the security vulnerability in enriched-mode that prompted the release of Emacs 25.3, for example. Adding this opens a can of worms that will expose unsuspecting users to a whole class of new problems. And the only benefit is to save some users from having to type "M-x org-mode RET", or adding call to a suitable hook. All in all, this seems like a bad trade-off. So I don't think we should add such a feature.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2022 05:07:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 26 01:07:41 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52945 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1onYdh-0001sZ-A7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:07:41 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:58060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <agzam.ibragimov@HIDDEN>) id 1onSz8-00018L-1V for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:05:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <agzam.ibragimov@HIDDEN>) id 1onSz7-0006oQ-Mg; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:05:25 -0400 Received: from [72.163.2.249] (helo=AIBRAGIM-M-J8Z8.localdomain) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <agzam.ibragimov@HIDDEN>) id 1onSyv-0005M5-Hh; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:05:25 -0400 Received: by AIBRAGIM-M-J8Z8.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id D82001968816B; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 17:13:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Ag Ibragimov <agzam.ibragimov@HIDDEN> To: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN>, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: Re: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly In-Reply-To: <86bkq0qf8p.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <86bkq0qf8p.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 17:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: <m235bby2ku.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 72.163.2.249 (failed) Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=72.163.2.249; envelope-from=agzam.ibragimov@HIDDEN; helo=AIBRAGIM-M-J8Z8.localdomain X-Spam_score_int: 15 X-Spam_score: 1.5 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, SPOOFED_FREEMAIL_NO_RDNS=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:07:34 -0400 Cc: emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) Can't you just use one of hooks (e.g., eww-after-render-hook) where you inspect the URL and if it's .org, just change the mode? This should be trivial to do, I think. Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> writes: > This wish request is related to Emacs EWW and Org mode. > > Please make EWW recognize Org file when served by WWW server. Currently > it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as > text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should. > > Inspect following file by using lynx: > > $ lynx -head https://gnu.support/files/tmp/example.org > > uHTTP/1.1 200 OK > Server: nginx/1.14.2 > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:04:26 GMT > Content-Type: text/x-org > Content-Length: 364 > Last-Modified: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 11:58:22 GMT > Connection: close > ETag: "6357cf5e-16c" > Accept-Ranges: bytes > > One can see that Content-Type is text/x-org > > My expectation is that EWW opens the Org file served by WWW server in > Org mode. But it doesn't. Can this be done? > > This will open opportunity to directly serve Org files by using WWW > servers and to browse such files through Emacs, meaning, bunch of notes, > tasks and similar may be kept online, with or without protection and > directly accessed by Emacs. It becomes new area or WWO or World Wide Org > environment. > > > > In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 7, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo > version 1.17.6, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2022-10-10 built on > protected.rcdrun.com > Repository revision: ed436db1320339862fad5ac754a6ec42de06c766 > Repository branch: master > Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 > System Description: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre > > Configured using: > 'configure --with-x-toolkit=lucid' > > Configured features: > ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG > JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY > PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS > WEBP X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB > > Important settings: > value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 > value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=exwm-xim > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > Major mode: Message > > Minor modes in effect: > mml-mode: t > tooltip-mode: t > global-eldoc-mode: t > show-paren-mode: t > electric-indent-mode: t > mouse-wheel-mode: t > tool-bar-mode: t > menu-bar-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > font-lock-mode: t > blink-cursor-mode: t > line-number-mode: t > auto-fill-function: message-do-auto-fill > transient-mark-mode: t > auto-composition-mode: t > auto-encryption-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > abbrev-mode: t > > Load-path shadows: > None found. > > Features: > (shadow sort emacsbug mail-extr org-timer org-colview org-clock > org-attach org-id org-archive org-agenda org-refile ol-eww eww xdg > url-queue thingatpt mm-url ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus > nnselect gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime gnutls dig > gnus-sum shr pixel-fill kinsoku url-file svg dom browse-url url > url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie > generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util url-parse auth-source cl-seq > eieio eieio-core cl-macs url-vars gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start > gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 nnoo > parse-time gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message sendmail mailcap > yank-media puny rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg > rfc6068 epg-config mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 > rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus > nnheader gnus-util text-property-search mail-utils range mm-util > mail-prsvr wid-edit ol-docview doc-view filenotify jka-compr image-mode > exif dired dired-loaddefs ol-bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi > reporter org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro > org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-osc > ansi-color ring org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline icons > org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table oc-basic json map > byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv bibtex iso8601 time-date subr-x > ol rx org-keys oc org-compat advice org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec > find-func cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc > iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks > lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd > tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace > newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar > rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock > font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq > simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang > misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms > cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian > cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table > epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button > loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay > sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap > hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 > dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit > xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) > > Memory information: > ((conses 16 180979 11753) > (symbols 48 19853 2) > (strings 32 68758 1519) > (string-bytes 1 2167162) > (vectors 16 37547) > (vector-slots 8 408250 18213) > (floats 8 277 76) > (intervals 56 424 0) > (buffers 1000 12)) > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58774; Package emacs.
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> writes: > * Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> [2022-10-25 18:06]: >> > This wish request is related to Emacs EWW and Org mode. >> > >> > Please make EWW recognize Org file when served by WWW server. Currently >> > it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as >> > text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should. >>=20 >> This sounds dangerous. Org mode can execute untrusted code, so this >> could trick people into running untrusted code with the permissions of >> their Emacs. > > I can always do that in Emacs, execute untrusted code. There are no > trust mechanisms for plethora of Emacs packages and codes distributed > over Internet.=20 All of the Emacs packages have some amount of implicit trust. Even melpa carefully vets packages nowadays. That=E2=80=99s not the case for some webs= ite you visit. > That was not my request. > > Do you know how to make this work? If you ask me whether I can make this work safely: This would first require the introduction of a safe-org-mode which strictly disables all features that can execute remote code or disguise unsafe operations as safe ones. If a user then decides to explicitly call M-x org-mode, that=E2=80=99s their problem. If you ask me whether I know how to make this work unsafely: It likely won=E2=80=99t need a lot of elisp reading, but I do not, because I do not l= ook for it, because if I did, I would not. I do not want to be the one who caused the systems of eww users to get breached, or who helped opening that security hole. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#58774; Package emacs.
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> writes: > This wish request is related to Emacs EWW and Org mode. > > Please make EWW recognize Org file when served by WWW server. Currently > it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as > text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should. This sounds dangerous. Org mode can execute untrusted code, so this could trick people into running untrusted code with the permissions of their Emacs. Links in org-mode can run shell scripts. Yes, they usually ask, but this may be changed it a local Emacs, trusting that it will only be used to open trusted local files. The threat model of eww changes a lot when any file on the web can request being opened with org-mode. 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This wish request is related to Emacs EWW and Org mode.
Please make EWW recognize Org file when served by WWW server. Currently
it does not recognize the MIME type text/x-org and opens the file as
text, it does not invoke the org mode. In my opinion, it should.
Inspect following file by using lynx:
$ lynx -head https://gnu.support/files/tmp/example.org
uHTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: nginx/1.14.2
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:04:26 GMT
Content-Type: text/x-org
Content-Length: 364
Last-Modified: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 11:58:22 GMT
Connection: close
ETag: "6357cf5e-16c"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
One can see that Content-Type is text/x-org
My expectation is that EWW opens the Org file served by WWW server in
Org mode. But it doesn't. Can this be done?
This will open opportunity to directly serve Org files by using WWW
servers and to browse such files through Emacs, meaning, bunch of notes,
tasks and similar may be kept online, with or without protection and
directly accessed by Emacs. It becomes new area or WWO or World Wide Org
environment.
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