GNU bug report logs - #58903
[PATCH] gnu: nix: Update to 2.11.1.

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Package: guix-patches; Reported by: phodina <phodina@HIDDEN>; Keywords: moreinfo patch; dated Sun, 30 Oct 2022 20:46:02 UTC; Maintainer for guix-patches is guix-patches@HIDDEN.
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Hi,

phodina <phodina@HIDDEN> skribis:

> I've updated the patch so there is no abbreviation. I asked on Nix matrix=
 channel and was told just for derivations. But I'm not expert so take it w=
ith grain of salt.
>
> Ludo',
> you have a lot insight into the build infrastructure and you also took th=
e concepts from Nix.

The manual documents it in the context of guix-daemon (info "(guix)
Build Environment Setup"):

     You can influence the directory where the daemon stores build trees
  via the =E2=80=98TMPDIR=E2=80=99 environment variable.  However, the buil=
d tree within
  the chroot is always called =E2=80=98/tmp/guix-build-NAME.drv-0=E2=80=99,=
 where NAME is
  the derivation name=E2=80=94e.g., =E2=80=98coreutils-8.24=E2=80=99.  This=
 way, the value of
  =E2=80=98TMPDIR=E2=80=99 does not leak inside build environments, which a=
voids
  discrepancies in cases where build processes capture the name of their
  build tree.

> I guess the machines behind 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' have enough resourc=
es. Or is there some script that handles large derivations?=20

On Guix System, /tmp is not on tmpfs by default (maybe something to
change?); that=E2=80=99s also the case on build machines.

> From d71d48d0fd5d4803abbb50900e0d9aa3c374e7e1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Petr Hodina <phodina@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 16:12:38 +0100
> Subject: [PATCH v2] services: nix: Add more configuration fields.
>
> * gnu/services/nix.scm (<nix-configuration>)[build-directory]: New field.
> (nix-service-etc, nix-shepherd-service): Take them into account.
> * doc/guix.texi (Nix): Update it.

[...]

> +@item @code{build-directory} (default: @code{"/tmp"})
> +Specifies build directory.

Rather something like: =E2=80=9CThe directory where build directory are sto=
red
during builds.=E2=80=9D

> This is useful to change if there is not enough RAM
> +on the machine (e.g. embedded targets) or if building big packages (e.g.
> +chromium).

=E2=80=9CThis is useful to change if, for example, the default location doe=
s not
have enough space to hold build trees for big packages.=E2=80=9D

(There=E2=80=99s no =E2=80=98chromium=E2=80=99 package in Guix.)

Then, instead of a long explanation, I=E2=80=99d just write something like:

  This is similar to setting the @env{TMPDIR} environment variable for
  @command{guix-daemon}.  @ref{Build Environment Setup, @env{TMPDIR}},
  for more info.

Could you send an updated patch?

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.




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Hi Tobias,

thanks for feedback!

>=20
> > (build-dir nix-configuration-build-dir ;string
> > (default "/tmp"))
>=20
>=20
> =E2=80=98directory=E2=80=99. Plz, no unnec. abbrev.
>=20
> The concept LGTM. Calling it a =E2=80=98build directory=E2=80=99 might be=
 editorialising too much. Does Nix use it for anything else?

I've updated the patch so there is no abbreviation. I asked on Nix matrix c=
hannel and was told just for derivations. But I'm not expert so take it wit=
h grain of salt.

Ludo',
you have a lot insight into the build infrastructure and you also took the =
concepts from Nix.

What do you think about this approach? It should not be premanently set to =
block device as you loose throughput and increase latency, but it's neccess=
ary for some derivations as not everybody can have powerful machine at thei=
r disposal.

Is there some way to share the approach with guix daemon? If I remeber corr=
ectly the derivation is offloaded to nix backend - the contents of `nix` di=
rectory (haven't yet had the chance to go through the C code).

I guess the machines behind 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' have enough resources=
. Or is there some script that handles large derivations?=20

Also this might be interesting problem for embedded devices though offloadi=
ng is definitely the best approach.

----
Petr
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Heyo,

phodina =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> The issue is that there are some packages that fail to build=20
> even on realtively powerful machine due to resource exhaustion -=20
> not enough
> RAM.

Yes, this is an issue in Guix as well, e.g., when building disc=20
images.

> Unfortunately I'm not aware of any other way how to specify I'd=20
> like to build just this package in other directory (other than=20
> `/tmp`).
>
> Also is there some other way how Guix handles this issue? I=20
> might be also used in Nix.

No, Guix uses the exact same mechanism (and possibly code),=20
inherited directly from Nix.

>  (build-dir           nix-configuration-build-dir ;string
>                       (default "/tmp"))

=E2=80=98directory=E2=80=99.  Plz, no unnec. abbrev.

The concept LGTM.  Calling it a =E2=80=98build directory=E2=80=99 might be=
=20
editorialising too much.  Does Nix use it for anything else?

Kind regards,

T G-R

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Acknowledgement sent to phodina <phodina@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to guix-patches@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to guix-patches@HIDDEN:
bug#58903; Package guix-patches. Full text available.
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