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Content preview: [சனி ஜனவரி 14, 2023] Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and [...] Content analysis details: (3.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [118.185.152.162 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.210.193 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.210.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60646 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, err291@HIDDEN, 60646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: [சனி ஜனவரி 14, 2023] Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.210.193 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [118.185.152.162 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.210.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager [=E0=AE=9A=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=9C=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF = 14, 2023] K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > > the region active by other means. > =E2=80=94 <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@HIDDEN> > > Enlightening; I personally C-x C-x C-g without a second thought when > all I want is to "jump to mark" (or I use C-u C-SPC). I use C-x C-x > mostly for its region-activating effect (typically after C-y), rather > than for its point-mark-swap effect, and I expect delete-selection-mode > to clobber stuff I highlight with region-activating commands (C-M-SPC, > C-x h, C-M-h, M-h, C-SPC + [move around]). > > But I understand how adding an option to control that would make sense) I had the same problem with delete-selection-mode: mark and region is different from how "selection" works in other editors so deleting the active region in all cases was more disruptive than I anticipated. I hope delete-selection-temporary-region solves this problem for everyone like it did for me when I proposed the patch.=20
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Full text available.Received: (at 60646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2023 12:34:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 14 07:34:29 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pGfjx-0004UZ-52 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48238) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pGfjs-0004UJ-MH for 60646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pGfjm-0002J8-SH; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Morkw7/jU+AjHVsTd+1aXS9dXpISn8Lxo4prZjNXeec=; b=oYs3fcPXRUzag7BU72nZ qaZvAJ4H0Fq/h/ApcGfY4c5vKeLSx4gHIvRkkczr2mQXDmMxn5rfeMunETx3Ozy1tsxeRqaoJhc0R cZ4ljGE9KssXa9S/nljNcNKENN7a8dmUzTVwCKwBw0DG1cnztJcKLDkwZSSt/JnYyWirGwhm5Aayf vKeuCbOsnrDri/EDIvsuCPp9OVO+jV3UTdqpWMArzpiOlgXaRNvlUdcA4fisnYguLv5fqYH84MlgX Dc99p7WpNUQIcQGbJ2nlKOGaq6BsIHHOZA/hKUEpgDB/ABC9SZtFblotWyjaQIPbEjjzAjaYVFCFg y6hY+QjJ3RndWA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pGfjm-0001yQ-Ba; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 14:34:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfgd70s4.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec on Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode References: <YQXPR01MB4085114C99922D786AA09F68D1F99@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB548840E8AB8AD4DCCABF3B7AF3F99@HIDDEN> <878ri5dihq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60646 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, err291@HIDDEN, 60646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, err291@HIDDEN, drew.adams@HIDDEN > From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100 > > >> +1. I've advocated the same for decades. > >> > >> This should have happened when we turned on > >> `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both > >> of those default-behavior changes should > >> really have happened long before that. > > > > I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave > > things as they are. > > > > Thanks. > > Did we ever go through the length of making the sort of poll we had for > show-paren-mode? I think this was discussed in the past, yes. delete-selection-mode is problematic in that it introduces behavior that is extremely surprising and annoying to those who are used to the old-style GUI selections and the Emacs region. Thus, enabling it by default is out of the question; we've enabled transient-mark-mode as a partial nod to those who like the delete-selection-mode style of replacing text, but other than that, people who want that will have to enable it manually for the observable future, because we cannot possibly surprise our veteran users with such behavior. > Oh hey, well, (b) might not be off the table after all: > > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > > the region active by other means. > — <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@HIDDEN> Note that the DEL part of the above already happens by default.
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I've advocated the same for decades. >> >> This should have happened when we turned on >> `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both >> of those default-behavior changes should >> really have happened long before that. > > I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave > things as they are. > > Thanks. Did we ever go through the length of making the sort of poll we had for show-paren-mode? I.e. * deciding to poll users on emacs-devel, <E1mN4xu-0004y3-63@HIDDEN> * announcing on info-gnu-emacs, <62f50784-593d-b302-b8b6-6d614ec37737@HIDDEN> * collecting feedback on gnu-emacs-help, <9bc33df8-5c1b-cd82-f72e-6fc939990f37@HIDDEN> * debriefing on emacs-devel. <2aed65dd-bcec-8e0e-e48b-7664a041f98b@HIDDEN> Asking because a) delete-selection-mode sounds (IMO) like one of these options that meet the sweet (sour?) spot between triggering strong opinions ("Thou Shalt Not Change Long=C5=BFtanding Defaults", "But All Other Editors Do It", "It Is Surprising And Destructive", "It Is Natural And Convenient"), while being trivial to change in one's config either way, b) For all the hassle it might have been, the poll and discussion around it led to improvements to show-paren-mode, i.e. further fine-tuning of the defaults. I struggle to imagine how (b) could apply to delete-selection-mode, but then again my imagination is very limited. OTOH (a) might provide enough justification for a poll, especially when coupled with the recurring traffic that delete-selection-mode generates. (Thinking of e.g. these emacs-devel megathreads: * <CAM-tV-8HZKJ9WKHXR0h8FC_Qv8YhjdAPYikcviD2HAUo6Msg4g@HIDDEN> (2018) * <20100318185435.GB1522@HIDDEN> (2010) Oh hey, well, (b) might not be off the table after all: > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > the region active by other means. =E2=80=94 <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@HIDDEN> Enlightening; I personally C-x C-x C-g without a second thought when all I want is to "jump to mark" (or I use C-u C-SPC). I use C-x C-x mostly for its region-activating effect (typically after C-y), rather than for its point-mark-swap effect, and I expect delete-selection-mode to clobber stuff I highlight with region-activating commands (C-M-SPC, C-x h, C-M-h, M-h, C-SPC + [move around]). But I understand how adding an option to control that would make sense)
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Sat, 14 Jan 2023 03:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode In-Reply-To: <878ri5dihq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Po Lu via's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:15:13 +0800") References: <YQXPR01MB4085114C99922D786AA09F68D1F99@HIDDEN> <SJ0PR10MB548840E8AB8AD4DCCABF3B7AF3F99@HIDDEN> <878ri5dihq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::332; envelope-from=kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN; helo=mail-wm1-x332.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, "Redekopp, Eric" <err291@HIDDEN>, "60646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <60646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> I would like to express my strong support >>> for enabling delete-selection-mode by default. >>> This is standard for almost all other text >>> applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. >> >> +1. I've advocated the same for decades. >> >> This should have happened when we turned on >> `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both >> of those default-behavior changes should >> really have happened long before that. > > I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave > things as they are. > > Thanks. Did we ever go through the length of making the sort of poll we had for show-paren-mode? I.e. * deciding to poll users on emacs-devel, <E1mN4xu-0004y3-63@HIDDEN> * announcing on info-gnu-emacs, <62f50784-593d-b302-b8b6-6d614ec37737@HIDDEN> * collecting feedback on gnu-emacs-help, <9bc33df8-5c1b-cd82-f72e-6fc939990f37@HIDDEN> * debriefing on emacs-devel. <2aed65dd-bcec-8e0e-e48b-7664a041f98b@HIDDEN> Asking because a) delete-selection-mode sounds (IMO) like one of these options that meet the sweet (sour?) spot between triggering strong opinions ("Thou Shalt Not Change Long=C5=BFtanding Defaults", "But All Other Editors Do It", "It Is Surprising And Destructive", "It Is Natural And Convenient"), while being trivial to change in one's config either way, b) For all the hassle it might have been, the poll and discussion around it led to improvements to show-paren-mode, i.e. further fine-tuning of the defaults. I struggle to imagine how (b) could apply to delete-selection-mode, but then again my imagination is very limited. OTOH (a) might provide enough justification for a poll, especially when coupled with the recurring traffic that delete-selection-mode generates. (Thinking of e.g. these emacs-devel megathreads: * <CAM-tV-8HZKJ9WKHXR0h8FC_Qv8YhjdAPYikcviD2HAUo6Msg4g@HIDDEN> (2018) * <20100318185435.GB1522@HIDDEN> (2010) Oh hey, well, (b) might not be off the table after all: > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > the region active by other means. =E2=80=94 <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@HIDDEN> Enlightening; I personally C-x C-x C-g without a second thought when all I want is to "jump to mark" (or I use C-u C-SPC). I use C-x C-x mostly for its region-activating effect (typically after C-y), rather than for its point-mark-swap effect, and I expect delete-selection-mode to clobber stuff I highlight with region-activating commands (C-M-SPC, C-x h, C-M-h, M-h, C-SPC + [move around]). But I understand how adding an option to control that would make sense)
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I've advocated the same for decades. > > This should have happened when we turned on > `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both > of those default-behavior changes should > really have happened long before that. I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave things as they are. Thanks.
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I've advocated the same for decades. This should have happened when we turned on `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both of those default-behavior changes should really have happened long before that.
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to express my strong support for enabling delete-selection-mod= e by default. This is standard for almost all other text applications and f= eels unintuitive not to have it. Thanks for your consideration and keep up the good work. Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cair= o version 1.17.6) of 2022-09-12 built on frederik Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006 System Description: Manjaro Linux Configured using: 'configure --sysconfdir=3D/etc --prefix=3D/usr --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var --with-cairo --with-harfbuzz --with-libsystemd --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 'CFLAGS=3D-march=3Dx86-64 -mtune=3Dgeneric -O2 -pipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -Wformat -Werror=3Dformat-security -fstack-clash-protection -fcf-protection -g -ffile-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs/src=3D/usr/src/debug -flto=3Dauto' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now -flto=3Dauto'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS 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This is standard for almost al= l other text applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. </div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy"><br> </div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy">Thanks for your consideration and keep up th= e good work.</div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy">Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan</d= iv> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy"><br class=3D"ContentPasted0"> </div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy ContentPasted0">In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x= 86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6)</div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy ContentPasted0"> of 2022-09-12 built on = frederik</div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy ContentPasted0">Windowing system distributor = 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006</div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy ContentPasted0">System Description: Manjaro L= inux</div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy"><br class=3D"ContentPasted0"> </div> <div class=3D"FluidPluginCopy ContentPasted0">Configured using:</div> <div 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"Redekopp, Eric" <err291@HIDDEN>
:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
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:bug#60646
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