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Good question! Clearly I didn't think enough about this before posting. > . are commands in the minibuffer when Emacs prompts considered to be > "used in the current buffer"? > . are commands invoked from the minibuffer via M-x considered to be > "used in the current buffer"? > . what about commands that switch to temporary buffers and enter > recursive edit there? > . what about commands that switch to another buffer in the middle of > typing a key sequence? > . etc. etc. >=20 > IOW, I don't understand how this hypothetical feature could work in > practice, let alone how to document what exactly it produces. Emacs > commands are by their very nature "global", unrelated to a buffer. All true. Thanks for thinking this through more than I did. Commands and keys (except keys on text/overlay properties) are unrelated to any particular buffer. But some buffer is current when a command/key is invoked. How about making the criterion be the commands/keys invoked when buffer X is current? (More generally, events occurring when X is current.) Only one buffer is current at any time. The time a command is called could be used to decide which buffer considers it a command to be listed for that buffer. This doesn't imply that the buffer that's current when a command is invoked remains current throughout the command execution, or that the effects of the command will even be in that "invocation" buffer - of course. But it gives us a way to split up the stream of input events a bit, in a way that can sometimes be useful. Commands that move point within a buffer, for example would be listed for that buffer. And of course the usual behavior would be there and be the default: show all commands/keys, regardless of the buffer that was current when called. I'm pretty sure I'd find it useful. I can imagine checking one or more such buffer listings, as well as the global one, when I'm looking for some event or want to know better what I did. As for the minibuffer: I think the choices are either (1) count the minibuffer itself as the current buffer when, uh, it's current, or (2) consider the buffer that was current just before the minibuffer (i.e., that particular depth) was entered as the "current buffer" for purposes of this feature. Each of those, #1 and #2 could actually be useful. Except that, as I worded the request, the proposed behavior would only give you the lossage for the current buffer, not for any buffer you request. And minibuffers are ephemeral, especially recursive ones, so "getting into" such a minibuffer again, to be able to request the lossage help would be problematic. A version of `view-lossage' (I mean another, new command) that asks which buffer to show the lossage for would likely take of that problem. But #2 (use the buffer current before the minibuffer) would be fine. (Dunno whether Emacs has a way to give you the buffer current before the minibuffer was entered. I have that for Icicles, but that didn't exist when I added that. Maybe it's available in Emacs now?) Dunno whether this answers both of your questions: what for? and which buffer?
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Subject: Re: bug#61440: 27.2;
Be able to have `view-lossage' report only on the current buffer
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> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 21:59:09 +0000
>
> Be able (e.g. with a prefix arg) to have `C-h l' show only the recent
> commands used in the current buffer. The max number should be the same
> as if listing the commands used in all buffers. IOW, it shouldn't just be a
> filtering of what `C-h l' without a prefix arg would give you (i.e., limited
> to the max number).
>
> It would be good to also extend `recent-keys' to accept an additional
> optional arg, to have it return only events in the current buffer.
How do you define "commands used in the current buffer"?
. are commands in the minibuffer when Emacs prompts considered to be
"used in the current buffer"?
. are commands invoked from the minibuffer via M-x considered to be
"used in the current buffer"?
. what about commands that switch to temporary buffers and enter
recursive edit there?
. what about commands that switch to another buffer in the middle of
typing a key sequence?
. etc. etc.
IOW, I don't understand how this hypothetical feature could work in
practice, let alone how to document what exactly it produces. Emacs
commands are by their very nature "global", unrelated to a buffer.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#61440; Package emacs.
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envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Enhancement request. Be able (e.g. with a prefix arg) to have `C-h l' show only the recent commands used in the current buffer. The max number should be the same as if listing the commands used in all buffers. IOW, it shouldn't just be = a filtering of what `C-h l' without a prefix arg would give you (i.e., limite= d to the max number). It would be good to also extend `recent-keys' to accept an additional optional arg, to have it return only events in the current buffer. In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19044.2486) Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. 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